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[vprising909]

It's hard to be sympathetic to a company whose products are so blatantly overpriced.

For those of you who are going to flame me by telling me it's worth it (better yeild, better product, yadda, yadda, yadda), please save your energy. Plants don't need Advanced Nutrients. Are they the shit? Yes, but that doesn't mean that they get to make them so goddamn pricey.
It's kind of like when you want to eat healthy, lose weight, and get strong. You go to the grocery store thinking you're going to eat all organic until you realize how expensive organic foods are. The difference is the price difference is withing a couple cents, maybe a few dollars, not tens to hundreds of dollars as it would be if you were comparing Advanced Nutrients to General Hydroponics, for example. Many people were raised on buttered bread and sugar sandwiches, and they turned out just fine.

It's kind of like feeling bad for Metallica when that piracy issue hit. I just couldn't.

 

[dongle69]

Advanced uses the same minerals that the other companies use.
They are not higher quality.
Just FUD marketing at work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

 

[Seed Buyer]

You are making a pretty big assumption that what Big Mike says is true.
He lives in the U.S., by the way...

I'm with Dongle on this one. If Mr. Hargraves has a "100-200 million dollar" company and a massive plant in China I simply doubt he would have the time to "sabotage" a small company like Advanced. After watching the rant video again my assumption is that the hydro shops in WA, given the resent DEA proclamations, have taken it upon themselves to remove Advanced's products from their shelves. At that point I would guess one shop owner called Big Mike making up all kinds of he said she said bullshit at which point Big Mike hastily made that preposterous video.

 

[stoney419]

No I heard the samething from a store owner about sunlight supply I don't know what to say here AN is worth every penny if for stuff like big bud Connie and overdrive and I've used their full line many a time but don't think you need more than them 3 products Imho I belive big fat Mike has some big balls and sun light supply don't and I think their scared of the dea so mike needs to call Gregg himself and agree to tone down his adds before he gets a bunch of stores raided just like when he shut down the an forum that I loved
I wonder who and what the story was with chick he brought up in his threat to sun light supply

 

[toohighmf]

oh you know I loved the forum stoney, but in reality they are KOOKS. I have found newer simpler recipes that have givin me the same or better results. This is not the first co to pull the same shit on AN.. guess who?

 

[HossCartwright]

No I heard the samething from a store owner about sunlight supply I don't know what to say here AN is worth every penny if for stuff like big bud Connie and overdrive and I've used their full line many a time but don't think you need more than them 3 products Imho I belive big fat Mike has some big balls and sun light supply don't and I think their scared of the dea so mike needs to call Gregg himself and agree to tone down his adds before he gets a bunch of stores raided just like when he shut down the an forum that I loved
I wonder who and what the story was with chick he brought up in his threat to sun light supply

Do you really think connie is worth 3x as much as sensi bloom? I recently got some connie but I'm thinking the Sensi bloom would have been fine probably. Also, have you ever tried the Piranha/Tarantula/Voodoo regimen?

I'm going to be running connie with carboload (powder), Tarantula/Piranha/Voodoo + bud blood/big bud(powder)/overdrive/final flush my next grow in 5g FFOF soil. Going to see if it's hype or the real deal for myself. I got everything I just mentioned for the exact same price I paid for the house and garden line last run. Going to do the same strains and see if it makes a difference. My own little non scientific experiment.

 

[toohighmf]

If big tits mcgee mike is here I hope he is not using my old retail store name as one of his alias'. I am the Original Hooked On Ponics- "the Advanced Nutrients Superstore!" almost 5 years ago. Saw Hooked.on.ponics at another site pumping the snot out of AN.. even had a AN logo for an avatar. I'm almost flattered that such an unscrupulous character would indeed use my affiliation to pump his wares. I was on the mod team at AN, and I was a tech rep. Met Mike once. total tool.
peace!

 

[stoney419]

You that's funny shit toohigh I seen that name and thought of you and darkone medone monkey and 57 all you guys helped me a lot

 

[iSmokeTrees]

Why is everyone calling Mike names and commenting on his weight? Any argument you may have had is thrown out the window the minute you begin immature personal attacks.

Advanced uses the same minerals that the other companies use.
They are not higher quality.
Just FUD marketing at work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

Do you expect them to use minerals that aren't on the periodic table of elements and plants don't need? Is AN supposed to reinvent nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium?

And how do you expect a company to advertise? "My product will give you equal or less performance than your current product!" Every single breeder claims their new strain they are selling has new "record levels of thc%!!!" but no one seems to complain.

 

[chronicCA77]

Why is everyone calling Mike names and commenting on his weight? Any argument you may have had is thrown out the window the minute you begin immature personal attacks.



Do you expect them to use minerals that aren't on the periodic table of elements and plants don't need? Is AN supposed to reinvent nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium?

And how do you expect a company to advertise? "My product will give you equal or less performance than your current product!" Every single breeder claims their new strain they are selling has new "record levels of thc%!!!" but no one seems to complain.

LOL..."My product will give you equal or less performance than your current product!"

 

[toohighmf]

no they shouldnt, but thats the truth for most users.

 

[dongle69]

Do you expect them to use minerals that aren't on the periodic table of elements and plants don't need? Is AN supposed to reinvent nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium?

And how do you expect a company to advertise?

 

[floater]

the pot supply/hydro/hydro shop business is becoming big business. i've dabbled with growing on/off 10 years now.

noticed some trends with shops.

there are more here (Northeast US) now than 5-7 years ago.

and distribution changed. hydrofarm is Major. the industry began consolidating, especially in the last 5-7 years.


talked to my buddy tonight about it- there are chains of hydro store owners- they have 6-15 shops each. all older growers (45 or older now) that don't grow anymore. its now a business thing. so politics and business increasingly mesh.

funny, only growers undertake the entrepreneurial endeavor of the hydroshop, then falling into the BS big business. imagine the business-politicking of growers turned shrewd, egoist business folk. painfully, fuck that!

it occurred to me, getting rich isn't in growing, it is in grow supplies. a few growers saw the writing on the wall 15 or 20 years ago. and started a shop with their expertise as their selling point. now they dominate. i've seen startup shops, fledglings, trying make a start, but shops with a history reign.

now its ALL business. i can only imagine the local, long time shop here. it has plenty of competitors withing 45 mins now. he has no worries, and 8 other shops. estimate he has $200k in inventory in there at any time (stacked to the ceiling in everything!)probably making $200k profit for that one shop per year. and he's got ten shops. politics inevitably contend.

herein, getting knowledgeable employees remains tricky. lot of jackasses in hydroshops.

 

[pimpjuice]

"big" mike has gone out on a limb marketing his products for weed. Have you ever noticed most hydro shops prohibit discussing weed in the store. Regardless of state laws helping someone commit a fed felony could land your ass in a conspiracy case. FWIW my advanced nutes sales rep is a total douche, it's like talking to a car salesman. We have never placed an order. Sunlight S. is a very pleasant company to deal with.

 

[indifferent]

I, for one, would be very glad if An went out of business. Companies like that give the Mj scene a bad name and they have done nothing but lie, cheat and steal from growers for years. They started off by ripping off all the Grotek formulas and copying their products and have done some really shady shit many times.

Connie is nothing more than Sensi Bloom with the addition of hyper-chelated boron as plenty of available boron adds a tiny wee bit of yield. So why is it several times the price of Sensi Bloom?

Because AN can get away with charging that because there are enough dumb people out there that will pay that price!

Carboload is nothing more than dextrose, which is why the dry version looks like a block of sugar and the liquid is just dextrose dissolved in water. You can buy raw dextrose powder for a fraction of the price. Molasses works much better than carboload anyways. Now they have Bud Candy and i bet that doesn't work as good as molasses either.

Voodoo Juice is rebottled septic tank cleaner.

AN don't use 'pharmaceutical grade' materials, they have burnt so many bridges with suppliers they use the cheapest salts they can from whomever will still deal with them.

There are lots of nutrient companies that rip us off in one way or another, but AN are the worst!

 

[toohighmf]

as a former retailer and AN distributors tech rep, Both hydrofarm and NGW are great to deal with, as was Mondoproshop for AN, (minus the issues Mondo had with AN), it wasn't until AN decided they didn't need distributors that their co. took a crap on everyone.

 

[HossCartwright]

Voodoo Juice is rebottled septic tank cleaner.

WTF?

 

[B. Friendly]

honestly do not know who sunlight supply is. I have used AN and think it is a good product, expensive yes, but seems to work.

Today i use General Hydroponics because i prefer them most. Still use AN carbohydrate, but might switch to molassis now hearing what another member here said.

Indifferent how much molasses do you use per gal or litre?? what weeks of bloom do you use molasses???

I, for one, would be very glad if An went out of business. Companies like that give the Mj scene a bad name and they have done nothing but lie, cheat and steal from growers for years. They started off by ripping off all the Grotek formulas and copying their products and have done some really shady shit many times.

Connie is nothing more than Sensi Bloom with the addition of hyper-chelated boron as plenty of available boron adds a tiny wee bit of yield. So why is it several times the price of Sensi Bloom?

Because AN can get away with charging that because there are enough dumb people out there that will pay that price!

Carboload is nothing more than dextrose, which is why the dry version looks like a block of sugar and the liquid is just dextrose dissolved in water. You can buy raw dextrose powder for a fraction of the price. Molasses works much better than carboload anyways. Now they have Bud Candy and i bet that doesn't work as good as molasses either.

Voodoo Juice is rebottled septic tank cleaner.

AN don't use 'pharmaceutical grade' materials, they have burnt so many bridges with suppliers they use the cheapest salts they can from whomever will still deal with them.

There are lots of nutrient companies that rip us off in one way or another, but AN are the worst!

 

[mullray]

http://www.integralhydro.com/advancednutrients.html

This guy makes some extremely good points about Advanced Nutrients marketing BS and backs it up with chemical data (and nutrient analysis and feed calendars). He seems to look at things from a level headed perspective. It seems rich that big mike is bagging other people when AN constantly attack their competition (some colourful AN marketing stuff is up on the link) My personal opinion is that Advanced Nutrients are for small time growers (newbies) who buy marketing dribble until they learn that their are many good nutrient lines (why get ripped off buying multitudes of products that are mostly overpriced).

" Carboload is nothing more than dextrose, which is why the dry version looks like a block of sugar and the liquid is just dextrose dissolved in water. You can buy raw dextrose powder for a fraction of the price. Molasses works much better than carboload anyways. Now they have Bud Candy and i bet that doesn't work as good as molasses either." Yep! Agreed. Or go to the supermarket and buy glucose (dextrose) and save heaps not buying carboload. Better yet use molasses.

"AN don't use 'pharmaceutical grade' materials, they have burnt so many bridges with suppliers they use the cheapest salts they can from whomever will still deal with them."

They apparently do use pharmaceutical grade elements (check the link - the author of it seems to have the AN formulas -) but he says they are used at such low levels they're pointless.

Hey BTW - big Mike is an American who fled the US to Canada to escape criminal charges so technically AN is part American. Wonder if the writer of this thread is going to release ANs formulas - that'd be interesting.

MR

 

[indifferent]

I use molasses every feeding, right from day 1 of flower to beginning of flush. It has an NPk of roughly 1-0-5 and really does impart a soft, smooth quality to the smoke, it boosts resin a little I think as well. it does add quality.