Is it legal to film/produce/distribute grow vids?

[kmk420kali]

nothing illegal about medicinal cannabis as far as Obama says. I just watched a collective throw the DEA out of their off site grow because they are following state law..

I dont think Ed R's books are produced in NL or spain.. could be wrong though.

No, you are not wrong...there are plenty of legit DVD's being made here--
Much the same as Adult vids having to document ages...you will have to do one of 2 things...either document the Legality of the grows...or use the Law's many loopholes...and hide all...to be continued by a Lawyer..who is qualified in this area--

 

[Blue Dot]

nothing illegal about medicinal cannabis as far as Obama says. I just watched a collective throw the DEA out of their off site grow because they are following state law..

I dont think Ed R's books are produced in NL or spain.. could be wrong though.

Obama told the DEA to make it their "lowest priority" NOT a ZERO priority.

Obama didn't decriminalize it federally but I will concede the chances of the feds going after you for a grow vid are slim but the possibilty exists, that's all I'm saying.

Every watch vid of police at a raid, there's always some low ranking officer taking pics. In essence this is exactly what you would be doing. In other words, doing their job for them.

 

[toohighmf]

Obama stated that the feds will not bust growers/collectives who are obeying the laws set forth by the state. If I was that concerned about the rare chance of prosecution, I wouldn't of been growing way back before prop 215. If I were that paranoid, I probably wouldn't have ever joined a pot forum or repped a canna specific nute co. I may never have opened that hydroshop either. sometimes half a brain & a good sized pair o nuts can accomplish greatness! lol! posting BIG grows on forums is doing the same job for "them", but that doesn't seem to stop most of us. Now I have a whole patient roster, and I think it would be more difficult to prove my guilt than innocence.

 

[bergerbuddy]

No gardens are legal federally in the US so yeah, don't get caught in the garden you are photographing.
That's why all of Jorge Cervantes vids are based in Spain or Sweden, or "somewhere over there".
Show mw an example of him saying "yeah, this is a garden in the good ole USA being grown by "insert real name here".



Making an "informational" video of what is considered a federal crime does not provide immunity against said crime.

I don't know why everyone has a hard time with this one?

Apparently you are not familiar with the magazine Hightimes.. and the Column.. Ask Ed..

The first amend. most certainly provides protections for educational informational videos.

One more time.... Its all in how you produce it... ding ding ding...

As for your comment that the feds... could possibly prosecute.... The feds could prosecute for posting on this sight... the feds could prosecute for following state law... the feds CAN DO ANY FUCKING THING THEY WANT TO DO... Your point should be.... Do you want put yourself out on front street and piss the feds off... bring yourself to their attention..

Again... How you produce the video could cure that issue... You don't have to have your face everywhere announcing your location and address... or you could say you are in Holland.... and unless it could be proven different.... who is to say...what...

 

[toohighmf]

+1 BB.

 

[Blue Dot]

Apparently you are not familiar with the magazine Hightimes.. and the Column.. Ask Ed..

The first amend. most certainly provides protections for educational informational videos....

No, in the ask ed colum, ed is saying this is how it should be done WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING IT.

If he were to actually cultivate the MJ AND at the same time say this is how it should be done, then he would be guilty of cultivation.

There's a big difference there.

Apparently you are not familiar with the magazine Hightimes.. and the Column.. Ask Ed..

The first amend. most certainly provides protections for educational informational videos.

Again... How you produce the video could cure that issue... You don't have to have your face everywhere announcing your location and address... or you could say you are in Holland.... and unless it could be proven different.... who is to say...what...

See, right there you show that you don't even believe that he first amendment provides protection. If it provided protection then why would it matter how you produced it or whether you used real names and locations or not?

 

[Hammerhead]

Brown dirt has done this look him up.

http://www.browndirtwarrior.com/

 

[Blue Dot]

Brown dirt has done this look him up.

http://www.browndirtwarrior.com/

Canada, hello?

 

[Hammerhead]

Whay does that matter his experience in making grow videos would help the OP asshat.

 

[toohighmf]

I know browndirt. we almost did some work together at 1 point. I plan to sell the video internationally, narrated in spanish, vietnamese, french, & japanese lol... but seriously..
gonna confer w my legal dept.. just wanted to have some questions to ask that maybe I'm not thinkin 'bout.

 

[B. Friendly]

yes it's definatly ok. Rap/HipHop talking about drug dealing, killing... is not responsible to the people they sell to if they go ahead and follow the lyrics into crime.
Get a nick name on your vid's just to protect yourself. Maybe wear sunglasses just to be on the safe side. lol

 

[bergerbuddy]

No, in the ask ed colum, ed is saying this is how it should be done WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING IT.

If he were to actually cultivate the MJ AND at the same time say this is how it should be done, then he would be guilty of cultivation.

There's a big difference there.



See, right there you show that you don't even believe that he first amendment provides protection. If it provided protection then why would it matter how you produced it or whether you used real names and locations or not?

Look... Criminal charges require context... e.g. at this time, within this jurisdiction, did knowingly do.. or conspire..

Who is to say WHEN the grows were done, maybe it was 7 years ago.. then the statue of limitations would have toll'd on the MFG charge.. Or WHERE?? maybe it was mexico.. or maybe Hati? who knows?? Unless someone who is involved is going to talk... how on earth... IF YOU ARE CAREFUL WITH PRODUCTION... is anyone gonna know the answers to those questions??

That leaves a conspiracy charge... since those are the charges that are the most simple to lay and to get a conviction on.. This, can be rectified by framing the DVD in an eductional informational context.. perhaps even towards "possible" medical benifits derived from differnet growing methods?? just throwing somthing out here...

The Diff... you speak of is merely... the actual charge vs. CONSPIRACY... Ed's column "could be said" to be conspiratioral.... but it is protected by the First Amendment... EVEN GIVEN THE FACT ED WAS BUSTED FOR ACTUALLY GROWING HERBS BY THE FEDS IN 2003... Even with that tid bit in his background they don't push the issue with his written column as it is informational.. and the feds can't say that Ed actually knows these folks and is instrumental in their decision to break the law... or that he is benifiting from their actions.

 

[nepalnt21]

nothing illegal about medicinal cannabis as far as Obama says. I just watched a collective throw the DEA out of their off site grow because they are following state law..

Obama told the DEA to make it their "lowest priority" NOT a ZERO priority.

Obama didn't decriminalize it federally but I will concede the chances of the feds going after you for a grow vid are slim but the possibilty exists, that's all I'm saying.

Obama stated that the feds will not bust growers/collectives who are obeying the laws set forth by the state.

obama had NOTHING to do with this decision. he didnt make an executive order, and im sure the dea would laugh in his face if he told them they couldnt arrest state law-compliant growers. he just made the announcement that the doj wasnt going to prosecute compliant growers. it was all the doj's decision. the dea can still arrest you and seize your shit. but since the doj wont prosecute if you follow the rules, im pretty sure you could sue for your shit back.

 

[nepalnt21]

what i take from this thread is cover your ass, dont identify yourself or where the grow is taking place, keep it in the context of "educational", and destroy your grow afterwards *wink*wink*

and maybe do it all in digital???

they cannot prove you committed a crime if you dont give them any evidence of it.

 

[Pythagllio]

...and the salient point is that even if you're stupid enough to validate that what you videotaped was illegal, you'd get convicted for what you videotaped, not for producing the videotape. In many countries, producing the video itself would be a crime.

 

[Blue Dot]

...and the salient point is that even if you're stupid enough to validate that what you videotaped was illegal, you'd get convicted for what you videotaped, not for producing the videotape. In many countries, producing the video itself would be a crime.

That was my point all along.

The video is not the crime, it's the act depicted in the video that is the crime, and the evidence of the actual act.

 

[El Loco Smoko]

I know browndirt. we almost did some work together at 1 point. I plan to sell the video internationally, narrated in spanish, vietnamese, french, & japanese lol... but seriously..
gonna confer w my legal dept.. just wanted to have some questions to ask that maybe I'm not thinkin 'bout.

What does your legal team say about all the people you've ripped off, on all the other forums you've been on.Me included.
Don't trust a word this puke says, and NEVER SEND HIM ANY MONEY.
How are your grows going with my eqipment, you sorry excuse for a man?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

If you are in AMERICA of course it is legal. FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS bro.

 

[Blue Dot]

If you are in AMERICA of course it is legal. FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS bro.

Incorrect.

You have the first amendment right in America to tell the hydro shop owner that you're planning on growing pot and the gov then has the right to bust you AND him for conspiracy to manufacture MJ.

Just because you have a right to say something doesn't also mean that that particular speech isn't a confession of an illegal act.

 

[facelift]

Posting pictures of bong smoking leads to arrests. Of course it is. While we have the right to speak freely, this right ends when the discussion turns to actions the injure others. I video of pot growing and instruction in the hands of an 8 year old is an injury.

I agree that it's sad we can't speak freely or instruct out friends and acquaintances, but the internet is an X rated feature that requires a shorter leash.

Unless you've exposed yourself producing massive amounts of illegal substances, there's really nothing to worry about.