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I have plans for them for sure, the potency, resin and tasty are all amazing, just a wonderful smoke. The problems with it are the lack of branching and the crap yield.
Luckily, I happen to have a very branchy Bubblicious male and that strain yields huge so that is the first cross I am going to make, depending on how that turns out I'll either move on to other crosses or work that one further.
Luckily, I happen to have a very branchy Bubblicious male and that strain yields huge so that is the first cross I am going to make, depending on how that turns out I'll either move on to other crosses or work that one further.
This JLo male I have looks way, way better than the one I used last time to make a backcross to the KC, so maybe I'll do this again sometime soon. The branching is unreal, and may fix the above problem next time around. I just got a couple of KC clones in the propagator now, so I might just flower one out small to make some seeds with.
Cool, sounds like a plan!
I have some of the initial bx and was planning to germ some tomorrow as while the quality is superb with these S1s, they have the same three big undesirable traits as mum - low yield, no branching and mucho stretch, also a bastard to clone.
Even just dried the buds from the small clone are really delicious, same coffee/leather/wood/earth/hash/chocolate palette as mum. There may be differences but to me it tastes like the original, although I have smoked a few different tasting KCs, when I did it indoors in coco it was like chocolate then I remember an outdoor gifted sampled that was really earthy and beefy, it can have all kinds of different but similar tastes, depending on grow style, as you know.
I've already decided I'm focusing on these KC S1s and crosses of them for the near future, they are just so interesting and exotic compared to the other genes I have at the moment. Every time I looks at the thick layer of resin on the top of the leafy pheno and the deep dark purple of the other pheno I see potential there, just wish they yielded more, hence my choice of a Bubblicious male for initial crossing to them, it should up the yield a good deal and hopefully with some careful selection over a couple of gens, the unique qualities of the KC can be locked down but with substantially more flower production on a plant with a better structure.
You're way ahead of me in working with the KC genes so I'm eagerly following your progress, they always say two heads are better than one and I suppose us both working with it doubles the chances of producing a stable ibl from it eventually which I think needs to be done to preserve this rare and special cultivar.
Just let me say for the record, a million thanks for introducing me to the KC and for all you've done (so far) to preserve and spread the genes.
I have some of the initial bx and was planning to germ some tomorrow as while the quality is superb with these S1s, they have the same three big undesirable traits as mum - low yield, no branching and mucho stretch, also a bastard to clone.
Even just dried the buds from the small clone are really delicious, same coffee/leather/wood/earth/hash/chocolate palette as mum. There may be differences but to me it tastes like the original, although I have smoked a few different tasting KCs, when I did it indoors in coco it was like chocolate then I remember an outdoor gifted sampled that was really earthy and beefy, it can have all kinds of different but similar tastes, depending on grow style, as you know.
I've already decided I'm focusing on these KC S1s and crosses of them for the near future, they are just so interesting and exotic compared to the other genes I have at the moment. Every time I looks at the thick layer of resin on the top of the leafy pheno and the deep dark purple of the other pheno I see potential there, just wish they yielded more, hence my choice of a Bubblicious male for initial crossing to them, it should up the yield a good deal and hopefully with some careful selection over a couple of gens, the unique qualities of the KC can be locked down but with substantially more flower production on a plant with a better structure.
You're way ahead of me in working with the KC genes so I'm eagerly following your progress, they always say two heads are better than one and I suppose us both working with it doubles the chances of producing a stable ibl from it eventually which I think needs to be done to preserve this rare and special cultivar.
Just let me say for the record, a million thanks for introducing me to the KC and for all you've done (so far) to preserve and spread the genes.
Day 15 of my UV experiment and I have to say, I don't see an increased level of resin production at all. However, the trichomes seem to be turning cloudy earlier than other runs of this cutting so perhaps the UV is having some effect on the rate of trichome maturation?
interested in the actual samples of fruit. observable growth traits may mislead...
uv may have effect on profile that is internal-chem-based & maybe not viewable?
nice work on kc s1...
keep having fun, sweetie!
enjoy your garden!
Hi Mistress, i am enjoying smoking the KC S1 very much, very tasty and potent even though I took her a tad early so I could reveg.
I agree about the difference may not be visible. If you look at the spectrum of the UVB CFL it has a large spike at 440nm as well as the UVA and UVB so it is providing a fair bit of light in the deep blue range and that is where the response curve for carotenoid type terpenoids is, so it should stimulate the production of carotenoid terpenoids.
This may well alter the taste and effect of the finished product, we shall see. i really need to repeat this experiment with a control specimen for comparison but I know the Oaxacan quite well so I should be able to tell if there is much difference.
Today happens to be day 20. Still a few weeks left for this lady, I have taken her at 13-14 weeks before, but this time I am gonna let her keep going as long as she wants, after all, this experiment is designed to see if I can get a fuller expression of pure sativa genes indoors and the whole point is to produce the most mind blowing cerebral smoke possible under lights so if she needs 16, 18 or even 20 weeks she will get it. I aim to save a nice sample of the end product to take with me to the 420 cup in April as i want some of the old timers to taste her and tell me if she reminds them of the Oaxacan/Acapulco Golds of the past. Also be nice to turn up with something unusual and exotic as the regular cup fare these days tends to be the same bunch of diesels, silver hazes, chocolopes and cheeses.
Day 20, nothing much to report other than she is really packing on the flower development. I cut out the N a while back and she has just been getting AN Powdered Big Bud, Seaweed Extract, Dutchmaster MAX Bloom, No Mercy Liquid Bat Guano and Molasses at a whopping ec 2.4 and seems to be lapping it up. I don't know what she will yield this time but it will be the smallest crop I have gotten off her due to my own mistakes, but yield is completely irrelevant on this run, it's all about the quality and learning the perfect feeding and illumination she needs to get the maximum quality out of her.
This shows the positioning of the CFL, it's about 15cm from the main cola:
This shows the two largest colas. This plant has a tendency to one cola being dominant and that is the one on the left and is the closest to the UV CFL. The one on the left is noticeably further behind in development with a lot fewer orange pistils, they look very different. I think this is due to the UV as I don't remember seeing this uneven maturation before:
This is one of the side buds, it has just grown a male nanner, but this plant does do that, sadly.
This is the main cola:
And this is the second largest cola:
Some closeups of the main cola which has been getting the maximum UV exposure:
I agree about the difference may not be visible. If you look at the spectrum of the UVB CFL it has a large spike at 440nm as well as the UVA and UVB so it is providing a fair bit of light in the deep blue range and that is where the response curve for carotenoid type terpenoids is, so it should stimulate the production of carotenoid terpenoids.
This may well alter the taste and effect of the finished product, we shall see. i really need to repeat this experiment with a control specimen for comparison but I know the Oaxacan quite well so I should be able to tell if there is much difference.
Today happens to be day 20. Still a few weeks left for this lady, I have taken her at 13-14 weeks before, but this time I am gonna let her keep going as long as she wants, after all, this experiment is designed to see if I can get a fuller expression of pure sativa genes indoors and the whole point is to produce the most mind blowing cerebral smoke possible under lights so if she needs 16, 18 or even 20 weeks she will get it. I aim to save a nice sample of the end product to take with me to the 420 cup in April as i want some of the old timers to taste her and tell me if she reminds them of the Oaxacan/Acapulco Golds of the past. Also be nice to turn up with something unusual and exotic as the regular cup fare these days tends to be the same bunch of diesels, silver hazes, chocolopes and cheeses.
Day 20, nothing much to report other than she is really packing on the flower development. I cut out the N a while back and she has just been getting AN Powdered Big Bud, Seaweed Extract, Dutchmaster MAX Bloom, No Mercy Liquid Bat Guano and Molasses at a whopping ec 2.4 and seems to be lapping it up. I don't know what she will yield this time but it will be the smallest crop I have gotten off her due to my own mistakes, but yield is completely irrelevant on this run, it's all about the quality and learning the perfect feeding and illumination she needs to get the maximum quality out of her.
This shows the positioning of the CFL, it's about 15cm from the main cola:
This shows the two largest colas. This plant has a tendency to one cola being dominant and that is the one on the left and is the closest to the UV CFL. The one on the left is noticeably further behind in development with a lot fewer orange pistils, they look very different. I think this is due to the UV as I don't remember seeing this uneven maturation before:
This is one of the side buds, it has just grown a male nanner, but this plant does do that, sadly.
This is the main cola:
And this is the second largest cola:
Some closeups of the main cola which has been getting the maximum UV exposure:
Here are some macros. The last one showing the strange orangey blobs I'm seeing here and there, no idea what this is, anyone seen anything like this before? These are mostly on the main cola where the UV is at it's highest, so could be a result of UV?
The HOG mother cutting is growing rather differently under my new LED veg light than she does under fluoros. The laves are bigger, the foliage darker and the blades thinner, a more sativa expression as she usually has quite broad leaves in veg under fluoros and they are much smaller.
The structure is very compact too with amazing branching, she is growing strong branches from every node and the nodes are unusually compact for this cutting and in a zig-zag pattern.
I'm very interested in this phenomena, it appears blue light makes sativas grow more as they should, this could be significant. It also means vegging sativa cuttings under blue light is gonna produce lovely branchy bushes if they all branch like this is one doing!
The structure is very compact too with amazing branching, she is growing strong branches from every node and the nodes are unusually compact for this cutting and in a zig-zag pattern.
I'm very interested in this phenomena, it appears blue light makes sativas grow more as they should, this could be significant. It also means vegging sativa cuttings under blue light is gonna produce lovely branchy bushes if they all branch like this is one doing!
My friend's two HOGs (from clones from me) look exactly the same as that...
Probably just means she is happy and thriving then. The others i had under fluoros had some ph problems cos i potted them in a soilmix and they didn't like it, this one is in coco and being fed organic coco nutes and seaweed.
Cheers herbal.
Here's the other KC S1, she is around 9 weeks, gonna give her another week. Already a few ambers but still a load of clears. This one might yield slightly more than the other although it's hard to tell as this one is quite leafy and the other had very little leaf. I think there is more leaf+bud combined on this one but I suspect no more bud and the extra is all leaf. Be good for making hash though. I am going to cross this one to the male I selected from the 4 Bubblicious males.
Here's the other KC S1, she is around 9 weeks, gonna give her another week. Already a few ambers but still a load of clears. This one might yield slightly more than the other although it's hard to tell as this one is quite leafy and the other had very little leaf. I think there is more leaf+bud combined on this one but I suspect no more bud and the extra is all leaf. Be good for making hash though. I am going to cross this one to the male I selected from the 4 Bubblicious males.
I cant believe I didnt save the link, but I was looking at 600w UV "finishing lamps" on a uk hydro site y'day..... heard about those?
one link - http://www.greenfinger-hydroponics.co.uk/articledetails.php?ArticleID=1398
one link - http://www.greenfinger-hydroponics.co.uk/articledetails.php?ArticleID=1398
I think the point of those lamps is that they have an enhanced blue/near uv spectrum, probably they use a different type of glass envelope that allows more near-UV to pass. I think the reasoning is that the blue light in late flowering stimulates the plants to produce more terpenoids, resulting in greater smell/taste. I should see the same effect with my test setup as it has a load of blue.
sounds good mate, its a shame we cant see the specs on their data sheet a little better...
In other slightly related news.. I was chatting with a friend of mine (university researcher) about your light experiments, and as I showed him this thread, he whipped out some data that he'd been working on in terms of trapping those illusive blue peaks (I think it was those)...and also use of UV (c?) in late flower.. (afaik he's a data guy, not a grower, though he does love to partake in heavy duty bongage) but he's a bit like you... a big sponge when it comes to the facts n figures
Most of what he said made no sense whatsoever to me mate, but he said he had some ideas that might help you, or at least some data for you to look at and consider...
I'll get on his case and get some pdfs off him or something if you're interested
In other slightly related news.. I was chatting with a friend of mine (university researcher) about your light experiments, and as I showed him this thread, he whipped out some data that he'd been working on in terms of trapping those illusive blue peaks (I think it was those)...and also use of UV (c?) in late flower.. (afaik he's a data guy, not a grower, though he does love to partake in heavy duty bongage) but he's a bit like you... a big sponge when it comes to the facts n figures
Most of what he said made no sense whatsoever to me mate, but he said he had some ideas that might help you, or at least some data for you to look at and consider...
I'll get on his case and get some pdfs off him or something if you're interested
Very much so mate, please fire over whatever you can, I'll try to absorb it then tell ya what it says about how to grow better ganja and we can try it out.
You know I had to read that twice....I definitely misread the last word first time around and had a little wtf moment...
Back to reality.....interesting results so far with the uv experimentation...I would suggest also running a known quick-flower strain or cut under the bulb.....see if it also seems to reduce flower time. Might be very useful, if it doesn't have a deleterious effect on yield.
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Bondage eh, well, you know them dutchies! I knew a few professors who were into some wierd stuff but not like that!
As soon as this HOG is done i will start a new experiment and it will involve two cuts, one under the UV, one in the opposite corner as a control. I might use Appalachia, depends what I have rooted at the time.
As soon as this HOG is done i will start a new experiment and it will involve two cuts, one under the UV, one in the opposite corner as a control. I might use Appalachia, depends what I have rooted at the time.
How many plants can you put within the effective radius of the bulb?
Might be worth using
1) Quick flower strain (Top44, M39 etc)
2) Medium flower strain (no end of choices)
3) Long flower strain (Haze, sativa landrace etc)
and do 3 under the bulb, and 3 not under the bulb......that's probably about 75% of your space gone just there....but no-one said scientific research was easy
Might be worth using
1) Quick flower strain (Top44, M39 etc)
2) Medium flower strain (no end of choices)
3) Long flower strain (Haze, sativa landrace etc)
and do 3 under the bulb, and 3 not under the bulb......that's probably about 75% of your space gone just there....but no-one said scientific research was easy
