Feminized vs. regular seeds?

[PhenoMenal]

isn't the original Trainwreck clone also predispositioned to throwing off the odd banana?

Anyway having said that i've grown out a lot of Greenhouse's feminised Trainwreck with 100% success, all female, and quite a potent smoke too. Strange smell/flavor though, quite pungent

 

[l33t]

I believe that most fem lines even the ones that have a very low tendency to give hermi issues will not show probs in the hands of an experienced grower who will not stress the plants at all and keep em in almost ideal conditions for all their life . It usually when the plants face some stress that these problems start to show up

 

[headband 707]

I agree l33t it's not just me that noticed this and it seems to be showing up everywhere in so many strains now it's sad...It's a total pain in the ass.. lol peace out Headband707

 

[l33t]

Like I have said before I personally don't hate fem seeds..

WHAT I DO HATE IS SEEING HOW THINGS SEEM TO EVOLVE. IF THINGS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS THEY HAVE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THERE WILL BE NO MORE REGULAR SEEDS SOLD BY THE SEEDBANKS. MOST COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY GONE ALL FEM WHICH IS REALLY TRAGIC AND ONLY FEW STILL SELL REG SEEDS..EVEN FEWER ARE RELIABLE AND PRODUCE GOOD QUALITY GENETICS..AND THESE BREEDERS ALSO SEEM TO BE IN FAVOR OF GOING FEM OR FEM ONLY

This is something not to be taken lightly imo In fact thats the biggest problem with Fem seeds..

PS sorry if it seems like I 'm yelling.. I AM.

 

[PhenoMenal]

IF THINGS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AS THEY HAVE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THERE WILL BE NO MORE REGULAR SEEDS SOLD BY THE SEEDBANKS.

With all due respect I think that's a crazy statement.

It's a lot easier to make regular seeds, not to mention a lot MORE seeds, using regular breeding. It takes a lot more effort to create feminised seeds, and you don't end up with anywhere near as many seeds.

Not to mention that feminised seeds only grow into females -- breeders _NEED_ regular seeds so they can choose good males.

Feminised seeds are a great addition to our arsenal as growers, but it is in no way a 'threat' to the production of regular seeds. IDEALLY breeders would offer both feminised and regular versions of their seeds, and most of the breeders of feminised seeds do just that.

We couldn't even get rid of regular seeds if we tried (not that we'd want to, they're equally valuable in their own rights), so lets keep things in perspective here - regular cannabis seeds will never become endangered

 

[ghost of sage]

tool

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What line of thinking created this statement?
I really want to see a clone taken from a seedling. Your idea of Immediate must differ greatly from mine. The myths work both ways it seems ...

anybody that grows more than a closet or cab indoor knows what i meant when i said immediately.I dont have to wait for the fems to show sex and as soon as they branch and make a node I can start cuttings.CLONE A SEEDLING>>>>WTF kinda idiot are u?????

 

[Balance]

As do feminised seeds.

You missed the point bro, Femmed seeds require you to have clones and living plants at all times to keep the stock.

Colloidal silver is simply the element silver suspended in water - hardly an "unpleasant chemical", and people actually drink it for its supposed health benefits.

That guy that drank CS that was in the news is still completely blue . I think I'll pass.

 

[l33t]

With all due respect I think that's a crazy statement.

Feminised seeds are a great addition to our arsenal as growers, but it is in no way a 'threat' to the production of regular seeds. IDEALLY breeders would offer both feminised and regular versions of their seeds, and most of the breeders of feminised seeds do just that.

2 decades ago there were almost no companies that offered Fem seeds. Today most do and more and more do go All-Fem.

I didn't mean that there wont be any reg seeds at all on planet earth..But if we end up with 1 in 100 seed companies we have now..to still be making reg seeds..
..I know you get my point

Most of the GOOD breeders out there that are doing real professional breeding/work large scale/have created lines that have proved themselves over time and are well known.. seem to also go all fem.

I bet you will find it hard to show me 10 breeders/companies that tick all the above boxes that produce reg seed products even reg+fem seed products nowadays!

It's a lot easier to make regular seeds, not to mention a lot MORE seeds, using regular breeding. It takes a lot more effort to create feminised seeds, and you don't end up with anywhere near as many seeds.

Its not easier to make a good stable breed that ticks all the boxes by using reg seeds.

It SOOO much easier to take a clone say Cheese , feminized it and cross it back to itself or another already proven clone to create a stable breed.

It only takes a closet to do so and some CS/STS...

Real breeding with reg seeds needs large populations=large fields/rooms for growing plants and keeping back up clones , needs TIME , for progeny testing etc etc

We couldn't even get rid of regular seeds if we tried (not that we'd want to, they're equally valuable in their own rights), so lets keep things in perspective here - regular cannabis seeds will never become endangered

What is endangered is the genepool and variation I m sorry if you cant see that.

PS Not all people like to use CS/STS on their plants..

Seeing the results of these substances on the plants makes me feel sorry both for the people who treat their plants in this manner to make more money (cause most aint doing it to help those poor medicinal growers with plant limits ).. and also makes me feel sorry for the poor plants..
To me this is far from respect to mother nature..

 

[PhenoMenal]

Balance,
Yes I am missing the point, sorry
Can you explain or elaborate rather what you mean by "femmed seeds require you to have clones and living plants at all times to keep the stock"?

As for that guy who drank too much, he's an idiot, and obviously you don't hear about such cases very often because 1) not many people drink colloidal silver, and 2) those who do generally follow the directions

 

[kopite]

Real breeding with reg seeds needs large populations=large fields/rooms for growing plants and keeping back up clones , needs TIME , for progeny testing etc etc

Do you not think you need large populations to find proven or "true" females and time ?

What is endangered is the genepool and variation I m sorry if you cant see that.

The genepool is in danger from hacks regardless if bred for fem or reg most will hack and take a shortcut for profit. As for lack of variation via a gynoecious breeding program I fail to see how it would be any different to that of a reg male/female program, if you can tell me otherwise please do.

You missed the point bro, Femmed seeds require you to have clones and living plants at all times to keep the stock.

balance,

if you are after a good mother plant you have to keep it regardless do you not? I'm not sure as to what you are on about with that statement...

 

[PhenoMenal]

Seeing the results of these substances on the plants makes me feel sorry both for the people who treat their plants in this manner to make more money (cause most aint doing it to help those poor medicinal growers with plant limits

You say "substances" like it's something evil ... it's just the element silver. It'd be as cool as gold if it was more yellow.

Most (perhaps all) people in my Colloidal Silver thread have created feminised seeds simply to preserve one of their favorite strains, or to create a reliable source of females from their favorite strain ... not to sell.

... and also makes me feel sorry for the poor plants..
To me this is far from respect to mother nature..

And you my friend chop down your plants (that youve probably kept locked up inside your house) and cut them up with a knife, then burn them ... that's not exactly respectful to the blessed Mother Nature in that sense either is it, so I guess we're both at fault ...

Peace dood

 

[pinkskunk]

anyone who BREEDS marijuana would and should know that the sole purpose of the sticky smelly buds that the female marijuana plant produces has one purpose- to attract and catch male pollen! for survival of the marijuana plant race. no pollen = stress on the female which in turn makes her try to produce her own pollen. simply polinating a single branch in a patch of females will keep them all happy and greately reduce the potential for reg seed plants to hermie. you will be left with one branch of seed stock and a whole patch of seedless happy buds. im speaking of outdoor growng here,and when i hear people saying they have had great nums of hermies from reg seed im led to believe you have weak genes that need stablising or you are culling all males and your girls are stressing for pollen. go grow some bannanas or corn where its a similar story. maybe learn some basic plant science before learning about how to smear some fuckin chemical on your plants.seriously cant see why anyone feels they need not to have a male weather its to pollinate or just to rip out and discard,where is the big issue with it. are yous gonna start lookin for a chemicle that you just rub on the leaves and dont have to water em either. as for needing big feilds of plants to accomodate reg seed plants due to males taking up space,what a load of shit, and taking cuts from femmed seedlings doesnt this just defeat the purpose of all fem seed?? since you can just smear your magic silver shit all over one bitch and have a million fems.

 

[englishrick]

when peeps start saying "feminised plants are bad for breeding",,,,,,,an no1 corrects it with reference to selfing,,,,,,,,geez ,,,,nuf said

They are not the same thing... I think I'm beginning to see why you're having problems considering genetics...

please explain how you feminized plants ARE bad for breeding,,,,,,,,and how exactly do you seperate sefing from feminization?

im very supprized any1 can argue with that statement i made beffore,,,,,please expain your argument,,,,,



hay kopite bro, am i wrong in this above statement?,,,,,,

 

[crownedsparrow]

Im with Phenomental and feminised seeds.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Wow, pinkskunk...nice failure.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Seed companies really don't have a choice about whether they offer fems or regs. You have to offer products that the customer wants to buy. They decide what seeds they will buy and today, the vast majority of growers insist on female seeds. A seed company can either make fems or they can go out of business.

A breeder that refuses to make fems of his strains is really just agreeing to let others femminize, sell and take the profits from their hard work. DJ shorts or Mr. Nice dont sell fems, but you can buy their work femmed from a half dozen enterprixing companies. They're thrilled that Mr. short and shantibaba wont make and sell fems and are dancing all the way to the bank..

Give the customer what they want or go home..

 

[EZlistener]

i've grown from fem seeds plenty of times with no hermiing

plants that have hermied on me were all grown from reg seeds, this has happened twice over the years

my conclusion is if conditions are correct the crop will be fine, if any variations occur ie, temps, stress etc then hermiing is a possibility

 

[kopite]

and how exactly do you seperate sefing from feminization?

Selfing means on itself ie take a clone, reverse it and take pollen, then use this on the plant you cloned. Feminization is when the pollen is from another plant etc.

 

[pinkskunk]

Wow, pinkskunk...nice failure.

nice failure,how so ??? elaborate.

 

[englishrick]

ok ok,,,,,my mistake,,,,i was using the word Selfing insted of Reversal`s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sorry for confusing terms!!,,,,,terms will mess with everyones understanding,,,,,,,look at the S1 and f1 situation

i agree :::Selfing is only possible with an indervidual,!!!,,,,,,,

what i meant to say was "how do you seperate feminization from Reversal`s",,,,,,

ok,,,,,,let me clarify,,,,,,,,,,,,using polen from a Reversed Indervidual and dusting another indervidual within the same population is classed as hybridization !!,,,feminization will allways incorperate Revercal`s,,,,,,,,,!!


sorry for my mistake,,,,,,,heres an Alard quote to make-up

cleistogamy inhibits desiccation of anthers and stigma, thus promoting full-seed-set by self polination,,,,,yet brief periods when flowers are open allow hybridization to occur, especialy between close neighbors in the same population, genetic segragation in the first few generations following sutch hybridization quickly generate novel true-breeding [homozygous] genotypes, and at the same time predominsant selfing ensures that sutch supirior genotypes will not quickly be lost as a result of segregation when hybridization occures

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