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Terra Preta - Dark Soil - Experiment
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it's all covered in what I posted. you'll see if you read it carefully. I formatted a bit to make it easier to read.
I'm with strains on making it here too. getting great weed is secondary. char should be buried to make the world a better place.
here is a native bee from my garden. now that european honeybees have backed off from my area, I see more and more of these, and bumblebees, which are better pollinators.
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remember TP friends, that its a good idea to bury some of this char in a designated "wildlife" spot in your garden where you, after the initial burying of the char, leave the spot alone to help promote biodiversity, at present times between 17.000 and 100.000 species of plant, animals, insects and microorgansisms go extinct every year, bioligist is calling it the next mass extinction, and its going on right in front of our eyes, and the foremost reason for all this; destrution of habitat. Gardens, in my country at least, is actually one of the few protected habitats left for wildlife 
only 10% of our forests are "wild" here in dk. Make your TP enhanced garden a wildlife spot, and fence the kitchen garden and not the entire garden
im of to go hug a tree
-Strains
only 10% of our forests are "wild" here in dk. Make your TP enhanced garden a wildlife spot, and fence the kitchen garden and not the entire garden im of to go hug a tree
-Strains
char stoves
char stoves
The treehugger newsletter mentions a worldwide concern
over cook stoves & wood smoke.
Big push to make better stoves.
From what I quickly read, there is no mention of
char stoves which as we know on the TP thread produce heat for cooking and char for the soil building.
We gotta get them onboard WORLDWIDE for TP char making cookstoves.
Here's some links:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/200...stove-to-save-millions.php?campaign=weekly_nl
http://www.treehugger.com/files/200...gy-2009-international-finalists-announced.php
char stoves
The treehugger newsletter mentions a worldwide concern
over cook stoves & wood smoke.
Big push to make better stoves.
From what I quickly read, there is no mention of
char stoves which as we know on the TP thread produce heat for cooking and char for the soil building.
We gotta get them onboard WORLDWIDE for TP char making cookstoves.
Here's some links:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/200...stove-to-save-millions.php?campaign=weekly_nl
http://www.treehugger.com/files/200...gy-2009-international-finalists-announced.php
emailed the stove winner
emailed the stove winner
I asked that winning company about bio-char stoves
for some imput in his companies direction.
You'd think char would be on the 'front burner'.....
EDIT: I'll contact Ashden for an award for bio-char stoves see why lucia
did not win.
emailed the stove winner
I asked that winning company about bio-char stoves
for some imput in his companies direction.
You'd think char would be on the 'front burner'.....
EDIT: I'll contact Ashden for an award for bio-char stoves see why lucia
did not win.
Good read
Good read
Howdy folks, i just finished a Good Read i bought at Ebay,,THE BIOCHAR DEBATE only 6"x8" 118pgs...it explains the ancients Terra Pretta with out any Urban Myths, promotion of tourism to the amazon and no "Buy my Black Magic soils".
its mostly about Biochar and the benifits to the moderm world and a picture blue print on a slick looking Biochar cooker.
i make Autowatering wick systems using Rubbermaid Shoeboxs, the top box has drain holes and wicks that hang down in the second box it sits in, the bottom box is the reseivour, the top ones full of promix etc ''in a attempt to prevent the roots from drying up in the res when i forget to refill it, i put in a cup of the BioChar i got from ebay as a means to hold moisture. peralite just floats up and is messy..
the Biochar seems to have a cleaning /sanitary effect, for the roots are all Super white and healthy..much healthier then ive seen in my little gizmos over the years. the bio does dry faster then i thought it would but i am gonna continue to use it for the health of the roots anyway.
i was joking about makeing TP in clay pots, i,m just trying to get a second oppinion in the mix, cause sometimes with out anything to debate,
legends become facts lol
the pottery shards from pots and pans etc are just trash, if they made sheets of clay to cover the fire pits and it got mixed in with the char/compost, that to is just trash left from mfg...
most pixs of excavated TP have NO shards.
i,ve yet to see any Alaskan Soil for sale?????
as far as transporting Biologicals to other countrys BAD IDEA
if a hardy imported species of earthworm survived and flurished in our remaining Gt Redwood forest, the soil would loosen up and could not support the trees and they would fall over in the wind..
before their cut down and shipped to China .
just a example of what invadeing bio-things can do.
in australia, each provience etc has Bio Inspection road blocks,
international air travelers must list any Meat -fish -fruit-veggies-soil plants-seeds they have with them..and they will be taken at customs.
on one of my return flights from asia a few yrs ago, the customs inspector went into a Tissy Fit because a pair of my dirty levis had some mud on the cuffs from motorcycling in the rain,( NO SOIL ALLOWED) and i had a Forbidden Rock?, a Mineral sample i found with a metal detector.. a senior inspector(a little embarrased) came and calmed her co worker down and let me go, with my Soiled pants and the rock...LOL
i,m damn lucky they didn,t find the landrace Sativa seeds.
or the big Ugly Rhino Beetle i had (hissing loudly in anger) wrapped up in a pr of my dirty socks..it died 3 mths later BooHooHoo.. i kept him in my worm compost bin, and fed him potatos, i think he drowned in a puddle of worm tea :-(
stay warm GK
PS if a person took all the stuff some of you folks add to your Biochar, you could replace the biochar with marbles and it would still be a Super Grow mix IMO lol
but that will be for another debate. hehe
Good read
Howdy folks, i just finished a Good Read i bought at Ebay,,THE BIOCHAR DEBATE only 6"x8" 118pgs...it explains the ancients Terra Pretta with out any Urban Myths, promotion of tourism to the amazon and no "Buy my Black Magic soils".
its mostly about Biochar and the benifits to the moderm world and a picture blue print on a slick looking Biochar cooker.
i make Autowatering wick systems using Rubbermaid Shoeboxs, the top box has drain holes and wicks that hang down in the second box it sits in, the bottom box is the reseivour, the top ones full of promix etc ''in a attempt to prevent the roots from drying up in the res when i forget to refill it, i put in a cup of the BioChar i got from ebay as a means to hold moisture. peralite just floats up and is messy..
the Biochar seems to have a cleaning /sanitary effect, for the roots are all Super white and healthy..much healthier then ive seen in my little gizmos over the years. the bio does dry faster then i thought it would but i am gonna continue to use it for the health of the roots anyway.
i was joking about makeing TP in clay pots, i,m just trying to get a second oppinion in the mix, cause sometimes with out anything to debate,
legends become facts lol
the pottery shards from pots and pans etc are just trash, if they made sheets of clay to cover the fire pits and it got mixed in with the char/compost, that to is just trash left from mfg...
most pixs of excavated TP have NO shards.
i,ve yet to see any Alaskan Soil for sale?????
as far as transporting Biologicals to other countrys BAD IDEA
if a hardy imported species of earthworm survived and flurished in our remaining Gt Redwood forest, the soil would loosen up and could not support the trees and they would fall over in the wind..
before their cut down and shipped to China .
just a example of what invadeing bio-things can do.
in australia, each provience etc has Bio Inspection road blocks,
international air travelers must list any Meat -fish -fruit-veggies-soil plants-seeds they have with them..and they will be taken at customs.
on one of my return flights from asia a few yrs ago, the customs inspector went into a Tissy Fit because a pair of my dirty levis had some mud on the cuffs from motorcycling in the rain,( NO SOIL ALLOWED) and i had a Forbidden Rock?, a Mineral sample i found with a metal detector.. a senior inspector(a little embarrased) came and calmed her co worker down and let me go, with my Soiled pants and the rock...LOL
i,m damn lucky they didn,t find the landrace Sativa seeds.
or the big Ugly Rhino Beetle i had (hissing loudly in anger) wrapped up in a pr of my dirty socks..it died 3 mths later BooHooHoo.. i kept him in my worm compost bin, and fed him potatos, i think he drowned in a puddle of worm tea :-(
stay warm GK
PS if a person took all the stuff some of you folks add to your Biochar, you could replace the biochar with marbles and it would still be a Super Grow mix IMO lol
but that will be for another debate.
heheso you brought BMO's back into the USA with the beetle
and now in compost bin; if you dump outside the whole
Northwest might b in danger....lol
chop up your carbon chunks small, get a fire going in the urn and cover with chips
cover and starve for oxygen. should get some char; may be on this thread somewhere.
what temperature does your book (thanks for timely tip) say for char???
Think 'mounds' when you think char. No metal tools to dig the soil and no need to
they are building soil mounds....
They just pile tree strapplings , after fire starts and cover with clay/mud
controlling oxygen; when done they smash the clay cover to mix with the char
and add village wastes over the months
for the
ultimate 'raised- bed- bio-char garden"
EDIT: Don't forget the aspect of the pottery and aeration of the soil.
the savana is flooded for long periods and the mounds wick water up;
so pottery may help that.
and now in compost bin; if you dump outside the whole
Northwest might b in danger....lol
chop up your carbon chunks small, get a fire going in the urn and cover with chips
cover and starve for oxygen. should get some char; may be on this thread somewhere.
what temperature does your book (thanks for timely tip) say for char???
Think 'mounds' when you think char. No metal tools to dig the soil and no need to
they are building soil mounds....
They just pile tree strapplings , after fire starts and cover with clay/mud
controlling oxygen; when done they smash the clay cover to mix with the char
and add village wastes over the months
for the
ultimate 'raised- bed- bio-char garden"
EDIT: Don't forget the aspect of the pottery and aeration of the soil.
the savana is flooded for long periods and the mounds wick water up;
so pottery may help that.
If the terra preta mounds are man made then they might have had to start the
mounds with char from the grassland's of the savana and later sapplings and pottery in some mounds.
I'm pretty sure prairie grass can be chared.
Any opinions on that?
mounds with char from the grassland's of the savana and later sapplings and pottery in some mounds.
I'm pretty sure prairie grass can be chared.
Any opinions on that?
Onegreenday, asian bugs and plants do not survive the -40-50c winters, so no worry about disturbing the natural eco system IMO.. and i still have the bug (dead)
about char from the Savana prairie grass fires???? i thought we were talking about the Amazon, not africa hehe
all i,ve ever seen about the amazon is a lot of rivers and jungles.
the ancients dug the soil with sticks and bones and stone tools 100,000s years ago, so i,m sure the amazons had a way to dig too, after all the dykes/channels were dug by hand...
they still farm like that in asia /china. they dig narrow channels in flat land, the soil from the channels is thrown up on the land between the channels makeing dykes (raised beds) maybe 4-6mtrs wide, they travel in the channels by small boat for maintence/harvest etc and the dykes wick up water from the channels, pretty efficient, expecially for fruit trees with deep roots.
but theres no biochar involved these days, just tons and tons of chemicals and bug killers includeing DDT and a whole lot worse. a least in china (my german shepard died from playing under a Mango tree being sprayed) i wasn,t there at the time....as long as the harvest meets the quota, its not important how many die from the toxins or how many babys are born AUTISTIC ??? + impaired and deformed.
like the epidemic of autistic kids born in the USA now.
IMO its because of the USA,s Federal approved/allowed levels of toxins in Imported chinese foods(and baby formula) :-(
the ebay Biochar i buy now really keeps my roots clean and healthy.
i screen my used TP? in a grocery stores plastic carry basket (found on the road, i didn,t steal it) and reuse the soil.
i make hash with ice/bags on a rare occasion, and i notice the left over plant material never seems to want to dry out when dumped, so i add it to the soil in my kiddie pool when i make a batch,along with more char and organic nutes(poops) the herb acts kinda like a moisture holding organic Vermiculite...
i don,t spray anything on my gear except a hint of SM90 for bugs, and that is good for the soil, even though it washs away in the process of makeing the hash. so the washed herb can,t hurt anything..and will compost as its used. imo
stay warm GK
about char from the Savana prairie grass fires???? i thought we were talking about the Amazon, not africa hehe
all i,ve ever seen about the amazon is a lot of rivers and jungles.
the ancients dug the soil with sticks and bones and stone tools 100,000s years ago, so i,m sure the amazons had a way to dig too, after all the dykes/channels were dug by hand...
they still farm like that in asia /china. they dig narrow channels in flat land, the soil from the channels is thrown up on the land between the channels makeing dykes (raised beds) maybe 4-6mtrs wide, they travel in the channels by small boat for maintence/harvest etc and the dykes wick up water from the channels, pretty efficient, expecially for fruit trees with deep roots.
but theres no biochar involved these days, just tons and tons of chemicals and bug killers includeing DDT and a whole lot worse. a least in china (my german shepard died from playing under a Mango tree being sprayed) i wasn,t there at the time....as long as the harvest meets the quota, its not important how many die from the toxins or how many babys are born AUTISTIC ??? + impaired and deformed.
like the epidemic of autistic kids born in the USA now.
IMO its because of the USA,s Federal approved/allowed levels of toxins in Imported chinese foods(and baby formula) :-(
the ebay Biochar i buy now really keeps my roots clean and healthy.
i screen my used TP? in a grocery stores plastic carry basket (found on the road, i didn,t steal it) and reuse the soil.
i make hash with ice/bags on a rare occasion, and i notice the left over plant material never seems to want to dry out when dumped, so i add it to the soil in my kiddie pool when i make a batch,along with more char and organic nutes(poops) the herb acts kinda like a moisture holding organic Vermiculite...
i don,t spray anything on my gear except a hint of SM90 for bugs, and that is good for the soil, even though it washs away in the process of makeing the hash. so the washed herb can,t hurt anything..and will compost as its used. imo
stay warm GK
so I take it you did not watch the video that's posted 1 -2 pages back.
You must see that to know what we r talking about.
Yes the savana plains of brazil & the terra preta mounds built up from the plains;
no digging; only building.
check out the video.
You must see that to know what we r talking about.
Yes the savana plains of brazil & the terra preta mounds built up from the plains;
no digging; only building.
check out the video.
safe form of TP BMO's
safe form of TP BMO's
I suspect the bmo's of terra preta can be safely
used around the world; like Great White, oregonism
or Fungi Perfect's bmo's;
especially if the world depends on it.
Maybe not in USA but other countries will need it if it is as 'special' as touted.
The manufacturing process they use renders bmo's ok but I'm no expert.
I'll contact Fungi Perfect for an answer. I suspect half of Stamet's BMO' r not in my back yard though.
safe form of TP BMO's
I suspect the bmo's of terra preta can be safely
used around the world; like Great White, oregonism
or Fungi Perfect's bmo's;
especially if the world depends on it.
Maybe not in USA but other countries will need it if it is as 'special' as touted.
The manufacturing process they use renders bmo's ok but I'm no expert.
I'll contact Fungi Perfect for an answer. I suspect half of Stamet's BMO' r not in my back yard though.
the commercial products become suspect in considering the regs on importing the micro-life
it probably is waht it says but do they have to heat it etc?
1GD, i tried to watch the video, all i got was VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME ??
the recent CNN BioChar program was suspect because even with the huge pile of dirt they showed, there was 'not one' piece of wood or brush or bit of char or black char dust on the ground in sight, no fire or smoke either??????
only a kilo or so of charcoal in a pile??
their info may have been good, but the kiln etc was just another media set up, like the Christmas 'Maxie Pad' bomber......which will cost us billions $ and more rights and freedom.
ill try the video again???
stay warm, its -20 here today GK
the recent CNN BioChar program was suspect because even with the huge pile of dirt they showed, there was 'not one' piece of wood or brush or bit of char or black char dust on the ground in sight, no fire or smoke either??????
only a kilo or so of charcoal in a pile??
their info may have been good, but the kiln etc was just another media set up, like the Christmas 'Maxie Pad' bomber......which will cost us billions $ and more rights and freedom.
ill try the video again???
stay warm, its -20 here today GK
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Cool stuff. Did anyone catch NatGeo's "Explorer - Lost Cities of the Amazon"? (I think it was last tuesday it came on)
Anyway I've actually been thinking of moving to Brazil, so I was sort of keyed-in on this show but it had a lot of interesting info.
Some good info in this thread as well. I guess you can always count on our little community to really do their homework.
Anyway I've actually been thinking of moving to Brazil, so I was sort of keyed-in on this show but it had a lot of interesting info.
Some good info in this thread as well. I guess you can always count on our little community to really do their homework.
For those of us who aren't able to burn/create their own charcoal, a good secondary source is Cowboy lump charcoal sold at all Lowe's stores, its 100% natural no chemicals, easy to crush into powder and small bits. 1 part powdered biochar to 50 parts organic soil mix is where I'll start. Also I'm considering adding crushed oyster shells in lieu of pottery shards, anyone know how much oyster shell I should add?
good article on charcoal in the 3rd world.
http://www.bamboo-plants.eu/Detail.266.0.html?&tx_newsflexible_article
if they built the terra preta soils UP from the savana plains
they must have turned their grasslands into 'char' and built the
soil from there.
I imagine very little timber since it flooded so often.
The savana grass much easier to handle & smoke for 'char'
and distribute in soil later than 'timber'
They also discovered that grass 'char' is better for burning in cook fires as it burns longer than natural vegetation.
Perhaps the inventors of charcoal???
