Tutorial Organics for Beginners
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thank you sir..i've been thinkin about gettin out the hammer and and tryin to put together some containers so might do that.
any advice??
any advice??
Wow, what an amazing thread...
I have learned more in the last 93 pages(and 5 days) that I could ever hope for..Now I will have to go back and
re-read so more can soak in..
My issue is this, and sorry if this gets kind of long..
Has anyone here used these teas and organics with autoflowers, like lowryder#2 or easyryder?
I am about to start a test with some easyryders AK47XLR#2. The rules with auto's are different, esp. for nutes.
Since they don't have a "real" veg stage, they go right into flower between 15-21 days, and are nute sensitive.
I also will be using Fox Farm soils for a few grows, as I have $100 worth of soil here that I can't throw out.After
that runs out, I will start using the pro mix and make/recycle my soils.
So...I was going to do a test with 10 plants, 5 on a side in 5 gallon smart pots.
Here is what I was going to run with..
%60 FF Ocean Forest
%30 FF Happy Frog potting soil (with humic and myco)
%10 Perlite
Since the FFOF is supposedly set for nutes for 3-4 weeks, I WAS going to only give them the "seedling nutes" with
every watering up to flowering day.
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Then at flowering I was going to do
RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O
I was going to maybe go every OTHER watering mixing in the seedling tea with this? it doesn't say in the OP what the frequency was for this.
I assume that I won't have to add anything else for the 65 day grow? I assume that you bubble this for 24-48hrs before.
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My other 5 will be exactly the same up to flowering day and then
water with this every watering.
4TBS of worm castings
4TBS of molasses
1-2TBS lquid seaweed
2TBS of liquid karma
Around day 25 i will do a watering adding 2TBS of a high N Guano and then again around day 35 and 45 with
a mix of N AND P Guano.
Any help or comments welcome, as this will be my first go with no chem's, and I'm nervous as hell..
Thanks guys!
any advice??
Wow, what an amazing thread...
I have learned more in the last 93 pages(and 5 days) that I could ever hope for..Now I will have to go back and
re-read so more can soak in..
My issue is this, and sorry if this gets kind of long..
Has anyone here used these teas and organics with autoflowers, like lowryder#2 or easyryder?
I am about to start a test with some easyryders AK47XLR#2. The rules with auto's are different, esp. for nutes.
Since they don't have a "real" veg stage, they go right into flower between 15-21 days, and are nute sensitive.
I also will be using Fox Farm soils for a few grows, as I have $100 worth of soil here that I can't throw out.After
that runs out, I will start using the pro mix and make/recycle my soils.
So...I was going to do a test with 10 plants, 5 on a side in 5 gallon smart pots.
Here is what I was going to run with..
%60 FF Ocean Forest
%30 FF Happy Frog potting soil (with humic and myco)
%10 Perlite
Since the FFOF is supposedly set for nutes for 3-4 weeks, I WAS going to only give them the "seedling nutes" with
every watering up to flowering day.
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Then at flowering I was going to do
RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O
I was going to maybe go every OTHER watering mixing in the seedling tea with this? it doesn't say in the OP what the frequency was for this.
I assume that I won't have to add anything else for the 65 day grow? I assume that you bubble this for 24-48hrs before.
-----
My other 5 will be exactly the same up to flowering day and then
water with this every watering.
4TBS of worm castings
4TBS of molasses
1-2TBS lquid seaweed
2TBS of liquid karma
Around day 25 i will do a watering adding 2TBS of a high N Guano and then again around day 35 and 45 with
a mix of N AND P Guano.
Any help or comments welcome, as this will be my first go with no chem's, and I'm nervous as hell..
Thanks guys!
M
mrred
ran out of N in my scrog, using lc mix #1 and recipe #1 how do i add more N to the soil mix in sme blood meal? what kinda tea should i use with stuff from lc mix#1 and recipe #1 ?
mrred, you could add high N guano powder directly to the soil's surface to get what you want. Try a tablespoon or two, then water it in. This is the ONLY way I feed my plants, so I'm 100% certain it works just fine. I skip the tea part and just apply it directly. Keep the soil moist and you'll be making tea right in the soil. No fuss, muss, mess, just nutrition, simply.
Thanks Burn1! I will use what I said, but I may go a little lighter on the guano's than I said before, as some people just water plain water with molasses or FF organic big bloom for the entire 65 days with no nutes, and I don't want to have too much there..
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also, for anyone here..Are there special instructions or differences with watering amounts for organic?
I have 5 gal smart pots, and after seedling was going to just water with light or medium teas from my hand pump sprayer until 4 oz or so runs out the bottom, wait between 3-5 days between watering.Is that runoff too much?
Is the theory to water fully and let REALLY dry out, or to water every 2-3 days to keep soil moist? I know that heat and RH, etc.. play a role , but everyone keeps repeating that over watering is worse so if there is any info someone could share, that would be helpful.
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Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.
Does this need to be bubbled as well? I have only brewed the veg tea up to this point and have bubbled it. But I am reading to give the youngsters their first "real" drink and just wanted to see if it should be brewed as well.
Thanks!
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.
Does this need to be bubbled as well? I have only brewed the veg tea up to this point and have bubbled it. But I am reading to give the youngsters their first "real" drink and just wanted to see if it should be brewed as well.
Thanks!
OPT
Member
My seedlings are about 10 days old, and are in 4 inch pots.. i think.. basically like 2 keg cups combined. Anyways, I'm at about day 8ish from sprout and I have already noticed the cateloyd? leaves are starting to yellow on 2 of them, the others have no yellow at all.
I use LC standard mix (EWC,Peat,Perlite, lime, kelp meal).
Should I start a wormcasting tea with molasses for next watering in about 2 days for all of them? Sounds about the time no?
I think i'll be able to transplant into my veg/flowreing mix in another week or so, should I just wait on the tea till then, or give them a shot next watering? I have a bucket filled with approx 5 gallons, and bubbling already, I just need to add 1 cup EWC and 5 tbl molasses and bubble for 24 hours correct?
Also, I have 1 power plant that is growing huge compared to the other 8 seedlings. I'm talking it's leaves are 3 times bigger then the next bigger plant, but the leaves are cupped down, just barley, around the whole edges of the first set of true leaves. The temps are pretty low @ around 63ish. Would this be the reason for these leaves to do this?
OPT
I use LC standard mix (EWC,Peat,Perlite, lime, kelp meal).
Should I start a wormcasting tea with molasses for next watering in about 2 days for all of them? Sounds about the time no?
I think i'll be able to transplant into my veg/flowreing mix in another week or so, should I just wait on the tea till then, or give them a shot next watering? I have a bucket filled with approx 5 gallons, and bubbling already, I just need to add 1 cup EWC and 5 tbl molasses and bubble for 24 hours correct?
Also, I have 1 power plant that is growing huge compared to the other 8 seedlings. I'm talking it's leaves are 3 times bigger then the next bigger plant, but the leaves are cupped down, just barley, around the whole edges of the first set of true leaves. The temps are pretty low @ around 63ish. Would this be the reason for these leaves to do this?
OPT
#5
#5
Is #5..
RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O
For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O
For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O
To be brewed like a tea, or just mix and water? If just mix and water, are there any reasons NOT to add Fish/Seaweed to a different tea?
What is the frequency, is this every watering?
Thanks!
#5
Is #5..
RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O
For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O
For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O
To be brewed like a tea, or just mix and water? If just mix and water, are there any reasons NOT to add Fish/Seaweed to a different tea?
What is the frequency, is this every watering?
Thanks!
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Here's what I do...
I keep a bucket of worm casting tea going all the time. When you're ready to feed, dump the fish and/or seaweed in the tea and feed immediately. You don't want to bubble fish.
This is where you need to learn to read your plants. Start at 1 tbs./gal. every third watering.
I use 1 tbs./gal. every watering in flower. It just depends on the plant.
Burn1
I keep a bucket of worm casting tea going all the time. When you're ready to feed, dump the fish and/or seaweed in the tea and feed immediately. You don't want to bubble fish.
This is where you need to learn to read your plants. Start at 1 tbs./gal. every third watering.
I use 1 tbs./gal. every watering in flower. It just depends on the plant.
Burn1
Great!! I was thinking of having a bucket going all the time as well. I'll start small and work up as you suggest.
I just got my water analysis from my city.. It says:
Total Hardness 100-115 ppm
Total Alkalinity 60-70 ppm
Calcium Hardness 60-68 ppm
Total Chlorine Residual 0.4-1.1 ppm*
Sodium 20-25 ppm
Fluoride 1.0-1.1 ppm
Nitrate Not Detected
PH 8.8-9.1 units
Chloride 35-45 ppm
Iron 0.02-0.10 ppm
Total Dissolved Solids 250-300 ppm
Total Coliform Not Detected
Anything to worry about here besides the standard 24 hour bubble before adding micro's? I can get RO for .40 a gallon in refills. I just want to start out with a good base to build on and don't want to pay for something I can use for free.
Not sure why the PH is listed so high, as I tested multiple fill ups and it's coming in at 7.5 area pretty constantly with my digi-ph reader (i know, I know, throw it out
)
chronisseur
Member
organic mixes
organic mixes
WOW..
thanks B1 for schooling us... here i was starting to panic cause no foxfarm stuff is avail anywhere near here and I thought it would be too complicated to make up a complete start to finish soil from scratch (needing just water and maybe 2-5 "teas" throughout).
I feel like I understand it now and am confident in mixing up my own soil. I currently use pro-mix based medium but use mineral ferts and a whole bunch of unneccessary (im just realizing they are either redundant, overpriced repackaged household products like molasses and dextrose, or just unneccessary or very expensive... have a few q's still:
Is SuperThrive Organic? It works well and I think I would keep it around if I could.. Also will budget a final weight/sweetener, like Bud Candy - if this is Organic and would it help significantly (there is alot of good stuff in there on top of the carbs - base nutes are 0-0-1 i think)...
Some recipes call for Peace of Mind, some for Liquid Karma - any difference or just brands?
also, if I wanted for example to mix, to use half of one source of a nutrient (like blood for N) and half from another source (Alfalfa or guano), would this be a problem? Would it have any benefit? I figure a more diverse diet with similar end results could only help, esp as things naturally fluctuate.. What are your thoughts on redundant sources if used in proper ratios (if I have it or can afford it and dont overadd it)?
thanks
organic mixes
WOW..
thanks B1 for schooling us... here i was starting to panic cause no foxfarm stuff is avail anywhere near here and I thought it would be too complicated to make up a complete start to finish soil from scratch (needing just water and maybe 2-5 "teas" throughout).
I feel like I understand it now and am confident in mixing up my own soil. I currently use pro-mix based medium but use mineral ferts and a whole bunch of unneccessary (im just realizing they are either redundant, overpriced repackaged household products like molasses and dextrose, or just unneccessary or very expensive... have a few q's still:
Is SuperThrive Organic? It works well and I think I would keep it around if I could.. Also will budget a final weight/sweetener, like Bud Candy - if this is Organic and would it help significantly (there is alot of good stuff in there on top of the carbs - base nutes are 0-0-1 i think)...
Some recipes call for Peace of Mind, some for Liquid Karma - any difference or just brands?
also, if I wanted for example to mix, to use half of one source of a nutrient (like blood for N) and half from another source (Alfalfa or guano), would this be a problem? Would it have any benefit? I figure a more diverse diet with similar end results could only help, esp as things naturally fluctuate.. What are your thoughts on redundant sources if used in proper ratios (if I have it or can afford it and dont overadd it)?
thanks
So I think I should receive my order of powdered dolomite lime today. We couldn't find any at our local stores when making up our newest batch of soil. So my question is, once I add it to the soil, can I use right away? The ferted soil can cook for a few more weeks still, but I need the non-ferted soil soon to transplant some seedlings into. Will they be okay?
hey KJ i dont think using uncooked light soil will be a problem. ive done it a few times before with no ill effects. cooking is more for getting the ferts to start beaking down anyway.
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