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New Cloning Method. Only takes 3 to 5 day.
- Thread starter zero.kewl
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lightproof your cups or bottles. light is your enemy
light tight or ull get slime... and very nice job.
budrunners
Active member
Thanks for the detailed tips ZK. I got the cups duct taped so that they are dark and a wider styrofoam disk to sit in the cup tight. Also re-did the root tip so that it was tapered to wedge seamless with the clone stem tip.
PhenotypeX
Member
Dude, you wont get slime even with light if you use Aquasafe. This way you can watch your clones grow roots through a clear container without disturbing the plants by lifting them up. Add one drop per gallon of water.
Walmart. Aquarium Section. $4.
I cut the rootball off a lowrider male upward on an angle, and stuck it in the notch of a cutting of Casey Jones.
the top of the donor plant
I stuck the root ball and the coco to just above the join into a cup of ro water and sunk it with a support.
Lets see in a few daze
Im going to fess up....in spite of some skepticism I decided to try an experiment....
I had some clones that I wasnt going to use....
I hacked it off similar to above....however the stem was smaller....
Then took another clone of about 12 inches... stripped off the shade leaves....
hollowed out the base of the scion plant....
And sharpened into a wedge the rootstock stub.....
this was about 36 hours ago....
Put this into what I would call too moist soil.....
Put a bag over the plant....
Oddly enough the leaves are still up....
At this point its just another experiment.....
vicious bee
Member
I wonder what happened to this thread? Sounds great. I'm going to try it later this week.
my plants are going great
I see it has worked for a couple people, but saying 3-5 days for roots I do not see. More like 2 weeks til planted, which you could do with any clone. Cool idea, if you can actually speed the process up
Mr. Hugeblunts
Member
Could you graft a new cutting onto the rootstock of a plant just harvested?
vicious bee
Member
That's what I'm trying right now:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=152601
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=152601
whythefnot
Member
ok, I've been holding my tongue on this one.
And I have to admit I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm not sure if what I'm going to say has been said already.
I really like this idea. It has a lot of potential as a cloning aid. From a biological standpoint, I would think (and have consulted with a p.h.d.) that the root would not make the correct bond as long as it's inside the plant. The new roots are grown from the outside of the stem.
Think of grafting. The new shoot has to bond to the base plant, not the other way around. The small one send out roots to anchor in the larger plant.
So I would say that if you had a root large enough to do the reverse (i.e. cut root, insert stem, just like grafting) then you should be able to clone with this method.
A little easier said than done.
After skimming the thread, I decided to try this myself. I like how it hydrates the new cut. I immediately put them 2ft from 2 1000w lights (straight in the aero system) with minimal wilting.
But after a few cuts, I ditched the string, and went for a different method.
Now I carefully slice just one outer wall of the cut with a razor blade, and gently split it open. Then I cut a few root tips (from other plants in the aero system) and insert them inside with a small tool (toothpick, tip of the scissors, whatever). The cut closes very easily and holds the roots securely. This is a very quick method of doing this. No string required, no other handling.
It's not permanent, though. It provides moisture to the plant while the plant roots itself, but I don't think that the spliced roots will ever be able to grow. Please correct me if I'm off base here.
It seems like a really great tool, though. Cut, insert root, place in medium, place under lights, wait. 30 second clone, no extra work required.
Like I said, I had them directly under 1000 watt lights the whole time I was cutting them and inserting the roots and the whole time ever since, and just one wilted due to a clogged sprayer. It's fine now.
None have rooted yet, but I just cut them about 4 days ago.
And I have to admit I haven't read the entire thread, so I'm not sure if what I'm going to say has been said already.
I really like this idea. It has a lot of potential as a cloning aid. From a biological standpoint, I would think (and have consulted with a p.h.d.) that the root would not make the correct bond as long as it's inside the plant. The new roots are grown from the outside of the stem.
Think of grafting. The new shoot has to bond to the base plant, not the other way around. The small one send out roots to anchor in the larger plant.
So I would say that if you had a root large enough to do the reverse (i.e. cut root, insert stem, just like grafting) then you should be able to clone with this method.
A little easier said than done.
After skimming the thread, I decided to try this myself. I like how it hydrates the new cut. I immediately put them 2ft from 2 1000w lights (straight in the aero system) with minimal wilting.
But after a few cuts, I ditched the string, and went for a different method.
Now I carefully slice just one outer wall of the cut with a razor blade, and gently split it open. Then I cut a few root tips (from other plants in the aero system) and insert them inside with a small tool (toothpick, tip of the scissors, whatever). The cut closes very easily and holds the roots securely. This is a very quick method of doing this. No string required, no other handling.
It's not permanent, though. It provides moisture to the plant while the plant roots itself, but I don't think that the spliced roots will ever be able to grow. Please correct me if I'm off base here.
It seems like a really great tool, though. Cut, insert root, place in medium, place under lights, wait. 30 second clone, no extra work required.
Like I said, I had them directly under 1000 watt lights the whole time I was cutting them and inserting the roots and the whole time ever since, and just one wilted due to a clogged sprayer. It's fine now.
None have rooted yet, but I just cut them about 4 days ago.
I have successfully used this method and here are the pics
it lost its lower leaves but it deff has new growth and is not wilting
thats so fucken kewl man... really bro major props. im glad this method worked for sumone else besides me
whythefnot
Member
I'm trying the same thing, except I tried sticking the stalk inside the old rootstock, rather than the other way around.
We'll see how it works. I didn't have my camera today when I did it, but I'll get pics soon
whythefnot
Member
thats so fucken kewl man... really bro major props. im glad this method worked for sumone else besides me
And I just wanted to add that a plant beginning to grow does not necessarily mean that the stalk and the root merged.
All it means is that the extra root kept the plant hydrated long enough for the cutting to grow its own roots.
It'd be really nice to see what was going on inside the soil, instead of speculation about it.
I did this with about 7-8 cuts last week, and not a single one has shown any growth in the original root mass. The cuts themselves are growing tho
vicious bee
Member
I looked up root and roots do have a cambium layer. From my meager understanding of grafting you have to line up the cambium layers to get a successful graft. This is the first I've heard of grafting roots though. Does the same principal apply? The way zero.kewl has been doing it looks like it would line them up. Also whythefnot's method also. Finding out what exactly is the best way to make this work might take a little collaboration.
I also read that the root makes cytokinin, which acts as a signal as to how fast the shoots can grow. It would probably be best to take a root from a vegging plant. zero.kewl where do you get your roots? Are they from vegging plants or flowering? Any one else where did you get your roots from?
whythefnot could you ask the PHD about lining up the layers? I really like this idea. Some people say it took them weeks. Have others got the quik results of zero.kewl? If so what exactly did you do?
budrunners
Active member
I did 2 cuts using donor roots from seedlings and got 1 that made it and 1 that did not, the dead one was not grafted correctly. Detailed grafting is crucial for this to work. I need more practice at this and get a better understanding about the parts of the stem and root that need to be together to make a graft successful. 50/50 not bad for the first time at this. This was done in 5 days
