Ebb & flo to Ebb & grow. 6/9 gh.

[gmanwho]

Bud, thanks, but how did that message move further in the thread?

All i gotta say is, i should of installed the parabolics a lonngggggggggg time ago. Especially in my situation .

The amount of light that it is redirecting back to the canopy is fantastic. When i fired back up the lights, i could tell almost instantly that my floor was soooooo much more lite up. the room was alot darker waist height an above. After a few minutes when the bulbs seemed to be a peak light it became very apparent.

At plant level an below was 2-3x as bright. No joke.. i wish i had a light meter.

Just waiting for some action.

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[bostondutchmast]

hey gman first id like to say they look great and got frosty real early. and id also just like to post i get that log in vip thing when i come into the thread, doesnt bother me much i just hit cancel everytime it comes up and resume.

 

[gmanwho]

Boston thanks for letting me know. i signed off an resigned back on without proxy. This time, anonymous put the code in because i quoted Noreaga's message, which had a picture.

I edited my post. and all should be good again.

This is new to me, that it would attach to a quoted picture file. Note taken.

All should be ok now. an thanks for letting me know. Now i have to watch my quotes to make sure theres no photos.

B-safe an thanks for stopping in....

 

[guest121295]

Nice thread G-Man, just read the whole thing. I've been reading around trying to put together some new ideas for a fresh setup and I came across this thread.How long did that beautifull diesel go on 12/12? Man that was a damn fine looking critter...want to completely rebuild my growrooms and keep them up to date, no sense in my being stuck in the eighties....Thanks for the reading, Chaco.

 

[gmanwho]

hey Chaco glad u stopped in . Hope u can gain some ideas over here. thats what its all about.

So far the ebb & gro is pretty richeous, had a few issues thou. So far the issues seemed to be worked out. they are drinking now and growing away. without a calender in front of me i'd say there almost or at 10days now of the new round. I KNOW, that if i can veg in the same container i put them into 12/12 my root system the will be much more advanced.and now that the parbolics are slamming down light on them. wheeeeee doggyyy.

At this point, it almost seems to me that the plants are devoting alot of its energy to growing roots in the new containers, verse growing sites and filling in the canopy and growing roots. I grabbed a bunch of 1 gals, and in gonna try my thoughts out an veg in the larger containers.

i built a top feed sytem out of my veg ebb&flo tables. Going with the top feed as i will need less of a rez to feed these babys, rather then all the nute solution it will take to flood 2 trays.

Also with top feeding and larger bucket prior to flower, i think it will prevent about a 5 day transition lag i have been seing. Gotta get those roots further established.

Another note is, before, when i placed the net in the 2 gal pot at flower. the roots may have not been submerged enough to get full water when the 2 gal was at top flood levels. As i dont want my stem to close to the water line. and i may have starved them a little at first till the roots searched.

I just lost one nicely established ep due to it was cloned in a rapid rooter. the rapid rooter was abit to low in the hydroton and always was overly wet ,becauee of the flood height in the bucket. the wet rapid rooter created a fragile half rotted stem. I bent her over to dip in my Spider Mite solution and the stem cracked an was lost. But i got 8 nice cuttings out of her anyways....

That diesel i cut at 65-67 days. Not sure if she was done or not. I didint check the trichs under the microscope.

The sd's an the ep's all had to get out of the ebb&gro system,especially as the mites where about to get uncontrollable. And i have to keep a sceduele going as i take it easy in the summer. 5 days behind this run, and if im 5 days next run, and 5 days behind the 4th run, puts me to farther into summer. Then im batteling heat.



As for updating your system. i cant stress how much more time i have in between runs not worring about watering, or if this one an't ready for watering, and now there not all on the same watering scheduele. then i would have 2-3 watering schedueles.

My area is sooooo much cleaner an easier to maintain. if i spill water, owell, it evaporates. not with coco or soil. thou I have almost taken a few shitters as i slipped on a few hydroton balls.

If your gonna upgarde, the ebb & gro's are nice. U could just buy the controller bucket for 300 and add the hose fittings and buckets yourself, or by the complete 12 bucket system.

the water farm kits are great to. one thing i dont like about the water farm kits is there is no recirc. the water & excess nutes stays in the final bucket. Try taking a ph or ppm reading from a waterfarm bucket. with my buddies i have witnessed a 2100ppm at like 3.9. And the plant was seriously healthy. Amazing i thought. But he does flush the bucket & system every 7 days. very tidious and wastefull with water. But monsters. 4 buckets to a 600 is perfect for decent trees, or atleast in his situation.

That water farm was slightly modded. he has also added airstones in each bucket. and each bucket has its own feed line instead of piggybacking on the same feed line like the standard WF kit does.

I soppose it would be easy enough to add another return hose on the opposite side of the bucket that had a pump pulling from the buckets back to the rez to make it recirc. that would defintly make them more ph & nute mangeable. Another idea for another time i guess.

been also thinking of setting up a similar system to the waterfarms with passive wicks for my mothers. In a few weeks i'll post up when i build one. I have alot of extra parts and 5 gals around.


Wow, that was a long post.

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[CovertCrops]

Hydroton is great, until you step on it barefooted. When I was setting up my rooms I was thinking about some type of bucket system. I opted for tables instead because of the amount of flexibility it gives me and the simplicity of the whole rig.

I think ya made a good move throwin thos hoods on. Did you do a reflectix wrap? It will def help.

Getting behind schedule sucks. especially if you only got one flowering room. Evidently you can use canna boost and shave a week or so off of flowering without any loss of yeild. Hazy Lady is running a comparison in the coco section, check it out if you haven't yet.

 

[gmanwho]

Covert, i wanted tables. but i didnt want to pay 150+ a piece, then have to bring them in. So i made these benches/stadium with 1/2" strips on the side to channel the waste water from before when i had coco.



Heres the Hoods. Seriously bright at plant level now. theres about 2-3 inches on each side of the hoods. Perfect. massive amount of light be redirected back down at the canopy. This is what i needed.

About day 20.

The 1 gal bucket an controller are now on the top shelves. A quick photo of the lineup, then the cork i placed on the float to make it trip earlier to work with the max height of 1 gal buckets.

Some random photos. Early pearl, lavender, 3 different casey jones, one strawberry chough, one road kill skunk in the mix.


EP

RKS bottom left cola

Unfortunately the caseys choughs an lavs photos didnt come out very well. so i'll update again in another 10days an get better pics then.


The veg tray i changed to top feed. simple 1/4 hard plastic line i took a fine tipped soldering iron and burned in about 5-6 1/2" slights in. I used a soldering iron this time and it worked alot better then drilling, stunk, but worth it. was tired of uneven drill holes clogging, then the mess from the the drilled area falls back and sometimes can clog the " T 's " or the 90degree elbows. Liking it much better. plus it doesnt matter what size the container is now in the feed trays. before i would have to adjust the flood height to the containers. now i just put the ring on an where golden.

Came up with another idea to top feed these, without having to run individual drip rings and hoses connecting them. Another idea ...another time. for now im happy with the top feed. alot of air roots already. they re trying to get established and are a little under par.

trying the idea of using the larger 1 gal pots prior to flower room. Hopefully my roots will be much more established.

These are gonna go under the vert 1000 hps in the back part of the room. i am also building a shelves around the area. should be interesting. Got about another 12-14 days of vegging to go.

under 8 54 watt t5's. i should have 16 t5's on them. another time

take care all an b-safe....

 

[gmanwho]

I am approaching day 30, and i will take photos without hps on at day 30. They seem to be more advanced at this stage then anything i have grown in the past years. The hoods have made an serious improvement to my development. denser and larger all around.

I do not see a reason for reflectix at this point. as i lowered the hoods abit more an the plant tops are now up to or into the bottom of the hood. they are loving it. Loving it.

my room is stinkier way earlier then in the past. they are drinking, they are feeding good.

Just about to do a like a 75 % change out on the rez. Since i've added the barley straw and mycrohyze, ive decided to not do full rez change out. leaving behind enough water behind to maintain the benificals in the water. Maybe its just the bio-bucket in me resurfacing again, but it seems like an idea.

I made a little filter as well. I added a hanging 1 gal bucket with holes inside the rez. it hangs inside the rez where the returns from the drain pumps back the return solution. I laid in the bucket polyeaster batting, and then an 2-3 inches of lava rock mixed with hydroton. Quick little filter with using no extra pumps. all stuff i already had.

I have also added to this run. barley straw an Mycrohze (spelling) in a pouch to the rez. ruby fulvic at 5mil a gal, which i will stop after the 30day rez change. and silica blast at 2.5 mils per gal.

Still doing the bioboost spray at 40 mil per gallon foliar every 3-4days.


The only one that isnt as happy is my casey jones #7, she is hungrier then the rest an started loosing color in her fans.

at this point with the 6/9 and 5 mill of pk13/14 its usually at 1200 ppm. i added more m/b, basically now like a 8/12 ratio. they all seem to be eating well and no stalling or burn.

With the increased light an co2 they should have no problem handling the 1450 ppm. the ph is Staying around 5.8.

Thanks for looking an B-safe

 

[grwAer0]

very nice, very well done. cant wait to see the end result, so far i can say it will be a BIG treat.

 

[gmanwho]

All i can say is wow... i am amazed the size they are at day 30. The hoods are great, and the buckets are kicking ass. So far i see 1 gals can grow a decent size plant.

every 2 days i notice them swelling. Every one is dense and frosty.
My RKS, which does not have any skunk smell to her is worthy of keeping. She is doing awesome.

Basically been following the sced. thou this run i added silica blast and ruby fulvic at 2.5mil a gal.

Day 30 updates as promised, mostly early pearl pics,unless noted.

RKS on the left, ep's elsewhere

1/2" hose in there for size reference, RKS

Casey jones #11,

Casey jones 7 or 9. they really want more food.

Thanks for checking in...

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[gmanwho]

Makeshift filter

Makeshift filter

I mentioned a few threads earlier on that i added a simple filter to the return on the rez.

Heres some quick photos. nice because it's simple, i had all the material, and it uses no extra pumps or electricity. easy to pull out an clean.

1 gal bucket with 3/8th holes in bottom.

1 aquarium coarse filter material, cut to a circle to fit the bucket, and then added left over cut material in there as well.

2 inches of Hydroton, 1 layer of lava rock.

2 eye hooks & string.


Bottom layer is aquarium filter, then hydroton, then lava rock.

No floating or suspended material in my rez after 2 days.

Placed the eyehooks under the rez cover, underneath the drain return from the controller bucket pumps. Works well.

Also adjusted one timer on the controller, so there 15 mins apart. this way they will not both be draining from the rez at the same time.

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[Lune TNS]

Everything looks great for day 30, keep up the good work

 

[rmccinc719]

gman great idea for a particle filter. I'm going to have to implimant my own version. thanks for the hook up. happy growing

 

[THINKING GREEN]

HEY MAN SORRY IF ALREADY POSED BUT HOW LONG DID YOU VEG FOR?

 

[gmanwho]

Lune, thanks for checking in. I am pretty happy. between day 30 -35, the colas doubled in width. Saw your posts up in the mass/ri and things are looking very well on your end too. Keep up the good work.

Rmccin719... the filter works well. Saw filters like this in aquarium setups. i was peking in the rez noting water consumption, and i was like " i should put together a filter under there", and it was built in 20 mins. the first version i had to small of a micron final filter after the aquarium batting. It clogged after 2-3 days and the water would just overfill the bucket. Since then i have removed it. I had the micron filter from screen printing material i used to make bubble bags.

Thinkinggreen. great name btw. and i dont think u posted here. Im not 100% sure as to exact veg times after the cloner. the lower 2.5 gal buckets came from the first round cloner, or where left over from a few weeks ago. then the 1 gal came from the 2nd batch or delayed clones from first.

The 2.5 gal plants where about 15-18inches, i would say with perfect conditions from cloner that should be about 25 days. I used my t5's this time. they where smaller. under the 600 mh those would have been 20+ inches.

the 1 gal clones where probably around a week or 2 in veg. or some of them could have been stalled from before. about 8-10 inches i wanna say when they went in.

I like the option of top an bottom. Sometimes clones just stall, or things dont go as planned. this way i have a spot in the 2.5's for the leader plants, then a spot for the freshly rooted or lagers in the 1 gals. working nicely so far. I never have good numbers of one same sized plant to run at once. this 2 size system is working well for me.


Just spent 6hrs yesterday constructing an testing max flood heights of a 6 bucket e&f system on my old flood table, then there is about a 10inch rise and a shelf around 3 sides that houses another 9 buckets. to go under the 1000 in the back corner.

larger plants on the bottom, smaller on top. all 1 gal thou. testing the whole 1 gal thing. I have some decent size plants ready to go, so i think im gonna test the 1 gal root limits this run. Pictures in a few days, gotta set up the 3rd parabolic hood tonight with the cooling ducts. if all goes well they will be in tonight. I am already behind....

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[noreaga]

damn g the room is lookin sick! fillin up fast as hell + the reflectors definitely increased light intensity it looks like... the game was sick the other night man, rained really hard until we got to the stadium lol.. next season we'll get u in there , doesnt look like we're makin playoffs this year stay highhhhhhh

nor

 

[gmanwho]

Nor, whats up..... . Glad that rain stopped for u, nothing worse then being cold an wet at any game. Theres always next year, i deft gonna try to hit up a few yank games too.

Well the 1 gal bucket system under the 1000 is all setup an been running somewhat flawless for a few days now. Plants are really filling in. Will get some photos of the setup in a another day or 2.

In the mean time heres a few shots of the Early Pearl from the first run under the 1k. I Had a real small rez running last time. and it def hindered some progress of her. They all turned out grade A, but i know, and have, ran her better.

She tastes exactly like a toned down lysol smell. 2 week cure.


Some sparkle action 4 u all.

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[BigGreen]

Sweet grow looks like the hood is doing great for you. What kind of yield do you expect this run with the 2 600s. Thanks for the pm and kick ass grow

 

[noreaga]

shiet man the rain was a bitch but stopped as soon as we got there go figure , that earlypearl looks outta this world man,frosty as a muddafucka hopefully those 1 gals fill in atleast 2-3 z's a pop for u..@ 2 each ull be lookin at so much harvest..baddass setup brotha , much respect

 

[gmanwho]

BG , no doubt for hitting u up on the pm. Just glad your open minded to check out possible road to grow down. I have alot more time on my hands because of this system. Half these posts wouldnt be possible with all the shit i juggle in my days. but, i do love to build an play, which leads me to the next system in the post to follow.

What i expect, well, im a 2.5 gal plant and a 1 gal plant shy. so 2 missing plants. and room for another 4 1 gallon buckets on the top shelf for next run.

these are 2x heavier now, at 40 or so days, then my last run that finished. last run were another 10in bigger in overall height to.

Alot of the buds are 8-12oz soda can size, with some 32oz gatorade size. defintly noticed how heavy as shits falling over. and when i removed the buckets at day 35 to inspect for spider mites.( fuckers,found some and treated) i noticed the weight to the tiny buckets and i was rather impressed to say the least.

What im expecting... as shit is deceiving sometimes, 1-1.5 for the gals, and 3+ from the 2 gals. theres 11 2.5 gals, and i think 9 or 10 1 gals. Im gonna try to separate things at drying and see what my yields are from 1 gal to a 2.5 gal. thou, i gotta plan a way for me to do it thats easy enough.

For the overall small size of the plants, they are yielding very well.

I hit 9z off a 5 gal Early pearl in coco awhile back, 4-5fter so the ep can yield pretty well an i have faith in that...

I have in there, early pearl, 3 different casey jones. 1 strawberry cough, one rks which does not resemble anything skunk( but worthy). so its pretty mixxed crowd in there.

If i mono crop i should do better, but it wont happen till these finish, 1 more, then the mono can happen.

my cloning skills suck mostly, but i just bought an eZ cloner, and i hope that will change for the better.

i kinda set a goal to see how close the 1 g per watt i can get before summer. i think its within reach... but i hope im not getting ahead of myself. It should be possible thou.

Who knows, i could be way off on numbers anyways....



Nor, no doubt man, that EP is something special. but she throws some variations out there on what her final trich coverage will be. Havent figured out exactly why yet.. i also impregnated a few branches in there. so i may try to find another ep variation from seed soon enough. It is my number 1 right now.

In all, im not 100% sure it is early pearl. it was gifted,it originally came from bag seed, the bag was soposedly Early pearl. So, it may not be..... but it does kinda look like sensi's ep photo in the strain guide here. and it is piney. I remember hearing another strain out there being piney just recently, wtf was it??? cant remember now. Anyways...

thanks for dropping in...

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