400w, no runoff coco grow

[LJB]

edit: two journals in one, a mini and the second begins in post #3

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This was my second grow with a 400w HPS (most experienced with 600w bulbs) and first with this strain. Three trees in two gallon nursery pots filled with straight coco.

Strain is Jah Herer from Homegrown Fantaseeds. Yield was a dry 400 grams, yes exactly. Sometimes shit works out that way. 155g, 134g and 111g.

20/4 from seed sprout for about a month. They were topped once and this strain does have some stretch to it. When I switched to 12/12, they were about a foot and a half tall. The two bigger yielders grew taller than than third and after two weeks of 12/12 the two main colas on each were tied down in order to even out the canopy.

12/12 for 62 days.

Two photos from day 46:

The brightness of the HPS overpowers the back row of three big colas in this one, but the outlines are there:

most of the colas, not all, the three in the back now visible though:

The nursery pots sat in pie pans drilled to be saucers, from which a drain hose ran to a small Sterlite brand box underneath the plant platform. However during the entire flowering period, not more than a few ounces actually made it's way down there. It's not in there because this was designed to be a runoff grow, it was in place just in case the automated system went overboard... I watered them by hand during weeks 7-9.

 

[LJB]

Two photos from the day of the chop.

Apologies for the lack of quality. My nice camera is down for the count with a battery leakage problem and these were taken with something that looks like it came out of a cereal box.

This is what you see on the left in the shot in the post above this one, but it's turned to the side, not a complete picture:

and a cola shot:

It's nice bud, sticky with a sweet smell and taste. But the height that it grows to, makes it suitable for a vertical setup.

 

[LJB]

And the next project. These are nine Blue Haze females, grown from seed. That's another strain from HGF.

20/4 for 28 days from seed sprout under daylight CFL

12/12 has just begun. These are in one gallon nursery pots. The pots are sitting in a "mixing tub" that can be found in the masonry section of your local Lowe's and probably Home Depot too. This idea to use this tub was copied by me from someone else on these forums.

These plants are watered by hand and I'm also borrowing from *mistress* the idea of bottom feeding without drainage.

It measures 3' x 2' and sells for about $11.00.

Lowe's link: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=19252-000001569-ST3608&lpage=none

manufacturers website: http://www.maccourt.com/products/mortartubs.html

 

[*mistress*]

Three trees in two gallon nursery pots

maybe little bit bigger for 'trees'... maybe a large 3x3x3'-6x6x6'?

nice...

why not re-do the initial cultivars?
instead of more genetics?

are you selecting?
eliminate 2 of the 3 jh's ? re-do to dial?...

are the nine bh from same mum? or different seeds?

how much actual water/nutes will you be pouring into ea bucket per day? volume ...oz/l/gal, etc per feeding?...

enjoy your garden!

 

[Scrogerman]

WOW,
There looks no-where near 14.2 oz there buddy. But well done all the same looks can be decieving as we all know!!
How many times a days are you irrigating and for how long is each drip cycle?
What nutes & adds & coco you using there?
Got any tips for nubes to Coco, any at all would be cool?!
Thanks for your time dude'
Peace...................Scroger!!

 

[LJB]

WOW,
There looks no-where near 14.2 oz there buddy. But well done all the same looks can be decieving as we all know!!

Well my word is worth whatever it is. LJB is obviously just a screen name, but I've no reason to lie, nor frankly to care if folks (not saying you) think that I do. The figure was posted only because the question was eventually going to be asked anyways. I participate in the forums to gain and share knowledge.

How many times a days are you irrigating and for how long is each drip cycle?

3 x 1 minute from week three onward for the two plants with the more dense buds. And the other plant drank a lot less so during the last two weeks I was hand-watering them twice daily/as needed.

What nutes & adds & coco you using there?

PBP + CalMag with Cocogrow Loose.

Got any tips for nubes to Coco, any at all would be cool?!

I've found that the biggest thing while watering from the top without runoff is to mind the PH of the nutrients going in.

Anytime I've got lazy about that, problems almost immediately crop up.

Thanks for your time dude'
Peace...................Scroger!!

hey you're welcome

 

[Calimed]

Looks wonderful!

 

[LJB]

maybe little bit bigger for 'trees'... maybe a large 3x3x3'-6x6x6'?

From canopy down to the platform that they stand on, including 8.5" for containers was 4 feet tall x 3' (w) x 2.5" (d).

why not re-do the initial cultivars?
instead of more genetics?

They will, but in the vertical room.

are the nine bh from same mum? or different seeds?

It's another seed run..

how much actual water/nutes will you be pouring into ea bucket per day? volume ...oz/l/gal, etc per feeding?...

The goal is to provide enough so that the top part of the the roots are not constantly wet and the bottom is never allowed to be totally dry. I don't mind obsessing over that part. It's part of the enjoyment.

One thing I'm going to mess around with having this tub is bottom feeding. These pots have the mesh bottom that is basically all drainage holes so they're great for it.

enjoy your garden!

loving it.

 

[LJB]

Thank you, calimed.

 

[LJB]

Here's a vanity shot of one two best (so far) of the Blue Haze:

 

[*mistress*]

From canopy down to the platform that they stand on, including 8.5" for containers was 4 feet tall x 3' (w) x 2.5" (d).

the actual plant being 3x3x3-6x6x6 - excluding buckets, etc...

ie, a tree is a plant that is vegged to ~3x3x3 (all actual plant mass) & then flowered out... something like waiting until roots come out of the 2 gal, transplanting to 5 gal, then waiting until roots come out of bottom of 5 gal... then consider flowering - if the plant has fully filled in a 3x3x3 area - excluding bucket, stem, etc...

there are some s-s/i's that can get 3x3x3 from a 10-12" cut, but will bot be filled in @ harvest... desired effect is absolute max in bucket 4-5 bucket...

aim for 2 full baskets per plant... w/ 8-16+-24+ mini-fruit baskets per... depending on cultivar... all in imagination

The goal is to provide enough so that the top part of the the roots are not constantly wet and the bottom is never allowed to be totally dry. I don't mind obsessing over that part.

understand the goal, yet was asking what the base actual amount given to plant will be?

or, is this an unknown, or open to fluctuation?

e.g., will the plant initially be fed 12oz per day? 16oz/day?

what is your reference point for watering? in units?... whether liters, gallons, or ounces per day?

is there a limit to how much water you will provide?

also, out of the 9 seeds, are you selecting for 1-2 fems, or is that open-ended? if 4 plants are , will you keep all 4 as mums, or eliminate down to 1...

though the selection process is not really linear; generally attempt 10% of seeds (1:10) to be potential keepers... if select 1 out of the 9, will be 11% of the initial population sample... doesnt mean there may be 2-3 out of the 9 that seem good, but ultimately, for uniformity of fruit, narrowing down to best seems advantageous...

enjoy your garden!

 

[xmobotx]

i like th results your getting

makes sense to repeat it

 

[LJB]

One of the keys for sure was the late-term training. I like to do it around day 10 for tall plants like the Herer, but there is no hard and fast rule though accept that it not be done too late, or there is no point.

In the spirit of seeing what is best for this Blue Haze, several were given the mid-term LST treatment as they've started to stretch a little bit during the first week of flowering.

 

[LJB]

the actual plant being 3x3x3-6x6x6 - excluding buckets, etc...

ie, a tree is a plant that is vegged to ~3x3x3

Vegging a loner to 3' x 3' x 3' is too big for this closet, but I do want to grow just one big one in there at some point. The size of the canopy is kept to 2'5" (d) x 2' (w) in this setup.

understand the goal, yet was asking what the base actual amount given to plant will be?

or, is this an unknown, or open to fluctuation?

I've never actually measured and it's certainly open to fluctuation. I love doing this so much, wouldn't mind recreating a 3x daily x 30 seconds watering by hand if that's what it took. It's so easy with this number of plants.

also, out of the 9 seeds, are you selecting for 1-2 fems

they're all fem and right now there are three that really stand out as possible mothers.

 

[LJB]

i like th results your getting

makes sense to repeat it

Thanks.
I have a vertical room that is better suited for a tall strain, so the Herer's will most likely go in there in the future.

And this 400 / closet combo might be even better for shorter plants. We shall see.

 

[xmobotx]

this is an interesting pic - always cool to see experiments w/ training

 

[LJB]

Here we are 9 days into 12/12.

 

[xmobotx]

wow - looks bangin so far

 

[LJB]

Thank you!

I was trying to keep the light too close for a few days, but smartened up today. Other than that, so far so good.

 

[LJB]

Day 20 of flowering. I chose to remove one of the plants from this room about a week ago because it was just too crowded with nine.

Here are two pics each of two from the group of eight.