People v. Jackson San Diego

[Koroz]

Once again, I will say this very slow for you and Blue Dot.

Jurors are there to determine if the person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is part of the RIGHTS given to jurors to decide to let someone off because they feel the law is either tyrannical, or goes against the will of the people.

Just because one guy gets a jury of his peers who don't believe the same as another doesn't mean the guy who got busted was breaking the law any more or less then the guy who got off. It just means that the group of people who let him off, did so because they didn't feel as though the law, or the prosecutor gave enough on their side of the argument to put someone away.

You seem like you WANT people to go to jail. Sorry but I don't buy into this whole "Misinformation is putting people in Jail!!!" You are a frigging adult. You know how to read, and if you want to get into the business of opening a Medicinal Cannabis co-op, Dispensary or illegal grow it is YOUR responsibility to get a lawyer, know the law and to follow it (or not depending on what you are trying to do).

the fact is if you get into business trying to open a Medical Cannabis dispensary and you take the advice of some random person from an internet forum of pot smokers, and you don't protect yourself by hiring a lawyer and having them make sure your shit is legit then YOU are the one who is at fault. Not the ones who misinterpret a law and then post their opinions on a website.

 

[richyrich]

Your wrong, you have to be involved in the growing or appoint the one that currently cares for you to do that and compensate them.


Back then I believed the bullshit you found in sites like OG and others. After my loss and after the supremes refused to hear it I reviewed all the facts and determined what bullshit is what and what the truth is. It seems there are many that can not handle the truth yet and in so doing are putting others that read their misinformation and place themselves in jeopardy. For instance a guy with a large grow in one city will be sitting in a bakersfield prison and one in another gets off because of a jury. Both believed the lies that it was legal, its just one got the OJ freedom treatment by a jury that had no concern for the facts.
Mine getting popped was a civil matter for the purpose of clarifying what the law was without risking my freedom, in that it was successfull. I had to continue my case to make absolutely certain no one could say I ever profited by my operating a D for a short period of time. Now I know.

That guy from hawaii if he was in california under california laws would be entitled to have whomever assists him on a regular basis go to a collective and become a member and perform cultivation activities, pay some expenses directly to the provider of the expensed items and reap a share of the harvest, if he were to designate that individual as a caregiver for marijuana in addition to his other caregiver tasks. Thats the law in California, no money should ever change hands at the collective level between members, thats only for caregivers, read the law. Better yet try the law in an open and notorious manner and call the business something that would be certain to let everyone know what you are doing, like maybe CANNABIS, then challenge the authorities to do anything about it.

It takes real PERSONAL EXPERIENCE to understand the laws. ^^^ Here is one person who, also, does. Semi trucks through loop holes do not fit. Keep on trying guys. You can have all your opinions and interpretations, but when it comes to operating (real experience in the very open) you will bet your bottom dollar that you are going to attempt to comply with the laws as they are to keep your butt out of the poky.

 

[richyrich]

A lot of people took advice from these MMJ specialized attorneys and look at the positions that a lot of these people are in.

 

[richyrich]

Jury nullification is always an option for the jurors, but from what I read they were just confused to all shit, therefore doubt and not guilty.

 

[Koroz]

Samuel Chase, Supreme Court Justice and signer of the Declaration of Independence said: "The jury has the Right to judge both the law and the facts"

They judged that the law was not clear enough to put Jackson in Jail. Simple as that.

 

[kmk420kali]

Your wrong, you have to be involved in the growing or appoint the one that currently cares for you to do that and compensate them.


Back then I believed the bullshit you found in sites like OG and others. After my loss and after the supremes refused to hear it I reviewed all the facts and determined what bullshit is what and what the truth is. It seems there are many that can not handle the truth yet and in so doing are putting others that read their misinformation and place themselves in jeopardy. For instance a guy with a large grow in one city will be sitting in a bakersfield prison and one in another gets off because of a jury. Both believed the lies that it was legal, its just one got the OJ freedom treatment by a jury that had no concern for the facts.
Mine getting popped was a civil matter for the purpose of clarifying what the law was without risking my freedom, in that it was successfull. I had to continue my case to make absolutely certain no one could say I ever profited by my operating a D for a short period of time. Now I know.

Well...it appears that at least the City of LA does not agree with you-- The way I read this, you can absolutely get monetary compensation...including Payroll and Salary--

http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...ty_12-9-09.pdf

6. No collective shall operate for profit. Cash and in-kind contributions.
reimbursements, and reasonable compensation provided by members towards
the collective's actual expenses of the growth. cultivation, and provision of
medical marijuana shall be allowed provided that they are in strict compliance with State Law. All such cash and in-kind amounts and items shall be fully
documented in accordance with Section 45.19.604 of this article;

"Reasonable compensation." Compensation commensurate with
reasonable wages and benefits paid to employees of IRS-qualified non-profit
organizations who have similar job descriptions and duties, required level of
education and experience, prior individual earnings history, and number of hours
worked. The payment of a bonus shall not be considered "reasonable
compensation ."

 

[JackTheGrower]

The Q&A is on tape. I did a rush to get the main portion of the video posted asap. The rest to follow. Profit was never part of this trial and as such, the discussion didn't spend much time centered there.

If Mr. Jackson is willing I would make a donation for a proper DVD.. If y'all burn a picture of Mr. Jackson and some graphics on it that would make it a collectors item.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Once again, I will say this very slow for you and Blue Dot.

Jurors are there to determine if the person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It is part of the RIGHTS given to jurors to decide to let someone off because they feel the law is either tyrannical, or goes against the will of the people.

Just because one guy gets a jury of his peers who don't believe the same as another doesn't mean the guy who got busted was breaking the law any more or less then the guy who got off. It just means that the group of people who let him off, did so because they didn't feel as though the law, or the prosecutor gave enough on their side of the argument to put someone away.

You seem like you WANT people to go to jail. Sorry but I don't buy into this whole "Misinformation is putting people in Jail!!!" You are a frigging adult. You know how to read, and if you want to get into the business of opening a Medicinal Cannabis co-op, Dispensary or illegal grow it is YOUR responsibility to get a lawyer, know the law and to follow it (or not depending on what you are trying to do).

the fact is if you get into business trying to open a Medical Cannabis dispensary and you take the advice of some random person from an internet forum of pot smokers, and you don't protect yourself by hiring a lawyer and having them make sure your shit is legit then YOU are the one who is at fault. Not the ones who misinterpret a law and then post their opinions on a website.

I don't believe a word you wrote.. JK.. I thought it was Punny..

 

[Blue Dot]

Well...it appears that at least the City of LA does not agree with you-- The way I read this, you can absolutely get monetary compensation...including Payroll and Salary--

http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...ty_12-9-09.pdf

That's just a city ordinance.

That isn't the law (215 and sb420) that Jackson was tried under.

 

[kmk420kali]

That's just a city ordinance.

That isn't the law (215 and sb420) that Jackson was tried under.

Ok...so now you are going to say all the City Atty's that drafted this...just made it up?? lol
They have Case Law to word it that way, or they wouldn't have-- They are not actually "Friends" of the Cause--

EDIT** BTW...I didn't quote it as State Law...simply that they disagree with "No Cash Sales"--

 

[richyrich]

Money can transact hands I believe under current case law. JUST under a very constrained range of conduct. The CONDUCT in which the money trades hands is the entire issue. It is NOT CARTE BLANCHE SALES as many believe it to be. The word "sale" has many meanings. Simply, it is in the manner of the situation that the money traded hands "sale". Everyone wants to have their own interpretation, so be it. This is why we keep on reading about some here trying to put a semi-truck through a loop hole.

The appellate courts understand this as does the Los Angeles City Council.

 

[richyrich]

"Reasonable compensation." Compensation commensurate with
reasonable wages and benefits paid to employees of IRS-qualified non-profit
organizations who have similar job descriptions and duties, required level of
education and experience, prior individual earnings history, and number of hours
worked. The payment of a bonus shall not be considered "reasonable
compensation ."

Under the LA Ordinance, it looks like to get any compensation, said person is actually going to have to work.

 

[kmk420kali]

Under the LA Ordinance, it looks like to get any compensation, said person is actually going to have to work.

Uhhhh...no shit-- They are talking about Dispensary Owners and Staff--

Keep in mind, Dispensary is still separate from Collective Grow...tho they are the same Entity, they are separate Divisions--

 

[Blue Dot]

Reasonable compensation." Compensation commensurate with
reasonable wages and benefits paid to employees of IRS-qualified non-profit
organizations who have similar job descriptions and duties, required level of
education and experience, prior individual earnings history, and number of hours
worked. The payment of a bonus shall not be considered "reasonable
compensation .

This was my point about Jovan Jackson.

Almost homeless to making $100,000 is NOT "prior individual earnings history".

 

[JackTheGrower]

it is now.

 

[richyrich]

Uhhhh...no shit-- They are talking about Dispensary Owners and Staff--

Keep in mind, Dispensary is still separate from Collective Grow...tho they are the same Entity, they are separate Divisions--

Uhhhhh...not shit-- And who is going to comprise the staff?

If LA requires the collective grow to be on site, who gets paid for growing the weed? That is what I was alluding to. And who is going to be the staff that complies with the constrained range of conduct regarding collectives under current case law. Aren't the members of the collective supposed to grow (work). Please, inform me.

 

[kmk420kali]

Uhhhhh...not shit-- And who is going to comprise the staff?

Those from the Collective that are currently working in the Dispensary--

If LA requires the collective grow to be on site, who gets paid for growing the weed? That is what I was alluding to. And who is going to be the staff that complies with the constrained range of conduct regarding collectives under current case law. Aren't the members of the collective supposed to grow (work). Please, inform me.

The Growers will get paid, whatever the amount agreed upon for the product is--
The excess Collective Members, may pay $$ to compensate for the $$ going to the Growers, and also for the Salaries/Wages paid to Dispensary workers...along with Rent, Utilities, and any other expenses incurred...I would guess a hefty amount to Legal Fees--

 

[Koroz]

it is now.

lol

 

[Blue Dot]

lol

If it's so funny then why don't you guys just admit this is what it's really all about?

 

[kmk420kali]

This was my point about Jovan Jackson.

Almost homeless to making $100,000 is NOT "prior individual earnings history".

So anybody who is homeless...who finds a job, and starts making money...falls under your edict?? lol
Mr Gates was working out of his garage...now is the richest man in the fucking World-- ARREST HIM!! lol!!