Canna Boost V Molasses - side by side comparison.

[indifferent]

Purple Maxx and Snow Storm Ultra aren't available in the UK. I have been told by a friend who grow grapes in the Napa Valley that Purple Maxx is actually something pretty common in the vine growing world rebottled and sold for a big markup. The info meant nothing to me at the time. Next time I speak to him I shall have to ask him what it is.

 

[Strangely]

I knew then it was the strength of the A that was making me put it down early, I had been too high to notice it.

Am I reading too much into the above, the As aren't winning potency wise are they?

Bs and Ds (Boost involved) deffo look fuller denser buds. But that 'don't mean shit' if they aren't as potent right?! Think I missed a page or two with all this talk of someone carrying the torch on with a triclalalaltinol test. I'll read back like a good boy!...

 

[*mistress*]

polysorbate 20 is a readily-availble emulsifier... used in candle-making, making fragrant oils be soluble in water, etc, etc... cheapo & effective for many, many uses. good garden tool for shelf...
can be used to make own nutes...

enjoy your garden!

 

[Hazy Lady]

Thank-you all

Thank-you all

Great thread hazylady, looks like Boost works, but Boost + Molasses works better.

I'm still on the fence about the value of Boost though - is the improvement large enough to justify the cost?

I think if your grow is good and all factors within a good range of values, you won't see as much benefit from Boost as you would if there was some deficiency in some factor -the Boost replacing the lost performance.

I had a spider mite problem so I had to spray my ladies with Nite Nite Spidermite, I added seaweed extract and some AN Big Bud Blast so it's also a foliar feed, never used the AN stuff before, I happened to have a small bottle sat in a drawer that needing using up.

The Spider Mites are gone, and my plants are looking good, whether the foliar feeding has helped with this or not I am not sure, but I intend to carry on further foliar experiments.

I think the next test for hazylady could be foliar feeding Boost vs root feeding Boost!

I have some Beeswax and that contains triacontanol, but how I can extract it and give it to my plants I do not know. I hear Superthrive contains Triacontanol, so maybe spraying Superthrive for the first 2-3 weeks of flowering would be good?

Triancontanol and some other PGRs (Plant Growth Regulators) are available on ebay:

Triacontanol, 1 gram, under 8 quid:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Triacontanol-...ertilizer_Soil_Amendments?hash=item27aba97c0b

Different seller, 5g for under 14 quid:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SG-PGR-85-Tri...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e58b95559

You can also buy the Cytokinin 6-Benzylaminopurine, 1.48 for 1g:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Super-Grow-Cy...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e58866822

They also sell Indole Butyric Acid, which is used in rooting gels/powders, Indole Acetic Acid, Gibberelic Acid and one or two other interesting things, I feel a thread coming on where we test some of these raw ingredients!

Great stuff indi' thank-you, I went to Super grow but we had a blackout here all night? apart from maybe losing a shed ful of cuts in the cloner it may be fortunate, eBay is easier, few clicks, Super grow being owned by the DEA put me off a little too, even over here. I did get as far as reading you need emulsify first and *m* has gone into it some below. I need to do this part, I think they use a microwave in the instructions but I will ask *m* shortly.
I am going to look at foliar feeding along side my new side by side, lots of sides there, maybe I will call it a cube, easier to write
I have to run this again, (I have to finish it first!) different cuts, smaller plants and as I say add some more stuff, in this case foliar tests, for some interest as well as the knowledge gained, I will include the raw Triacontanol for sure, I will order some now if possible and let you know. I am sure 1 gramme is plenty, I need to re-check but isn't it like 5 PPM's needed or something very small, I think 1 gm makes 1000 lts fully diluted, I will never get through that in a lifetime, I will be delighted if I do need more
Thanks Indi, always good stuff from you too!

Guess what? It's early and my baked goods are great!

Not exactly following in your footsteps as reaching the same conclusions:
I am feeding Cannaboost 2ml, Coco-Wet 1ml, Snow Storm Ultra 1.2ml, all per liter in a foliar, everything seems happy, except it seems foliar can melt away trichomes - anyone else notice this?
Snow storm ultra is 10.99 a bottle, purple maxx 29 at my store
*I use a syringe to measure nutes so I KNOW the dif in 1ml and 1.2ml
If you fill a Canna ltr bottle's measuring cup just barely to the bottom line under where it says CANNA on the front, that's 6ml*

http://www.briteideashydro.com/index.php

Yes, I am so lucky I can just "go to the store" for all kinds of exotic items and the used stuff can be GREAT values! (like, oOo I dunno, a 1000w reflector for $100 w/6" air tube and hood; or my "Slimboyzz" 8 bulb 2' T5 for $130 BULBS INCLUDED - all this and a 10-15% discount for being a regular. How do they keep track of regulars you ask; is there a list... newp, they just recognize me, and the owner spent a good hour answering my questions and being basically what I would view the as 'ideal' shopkeeper.

ANYWAY - what was I on about...O yeah; I don't foliar molasses either:
1. I want it to feed my mychorrizae
2. I already have weird houseflies that seem to love my room, I <3 my Clean Air Purge III
3. My mister is pretty fine ( giros-botanica.com model VAP-1001) - it's really brass, comes with a re-build kit of washers and a white thingy and some hose and a fitting that screws onto 2ltr bottles, Foxfarm ltr bottles, etc. I recommend replacing the included hose with silicon hose as the silicon won't kink, and you can use the same hose for just about any bottle. Oh yeah, it's only $10 I returned the first one I got defective/no questions asked. I recommend silicon over plastic hose for EVERYTHING; hypoallergenic and ever notice that horrid smell off of plastic hose? The kinks with memory so once it kinks that spot is always a problem? Make life easier on yourself, it's not that much more expensive, get it at pet fish stores/aquarium section of Chinese Retail Outlet *walmart

Hi Badge, I can think of one use for silicon that doesn't really work, more great stuff, I/we have been very lucky on this thread, thanks for all your links and info.
You say about spraying 'melting' trichs, I know you don't mean washing away of course but I have wasted the odd hours on this, as nothing we are interested in is water soluble, and would be a huge cock-up by Mother Nature, rains/sprays can't have the effect of directly washing crystals away but it could be as a reaction to the spray all the same.
One of the main reasons trichs exist is to direct harsh sunlight from the tender seeds inside the calyx, could rain/spraying frequently convince the plant it is not going to need as many because if it's raining it's not as sunny, even though it is in good light? plants react to different stimulus in so many ways who knows, the direct water on leaf may over ride the message its sunny pehaps? well I did say I had wasted a few hours over this, just a thought!
btw, never doubted you can measure properly Badge, I use 1ml syringes marked to 100th of a ml, they are useless after a few hits anyway

Purple Maxx and Snow Storm Ultra aren't available in the UK. I have been told by a friend who grow grapes in the Napa Valley that Purple Maxx is actually something pretty common in the vine growing world rebottled and sold for a big markup. The info meant nothing to me at the time. Next time I speak to him I shall have to ask him what it is.

Please do Indi, and thanks.

Am I reading too much into the above, the As aren't winning potency wise are they?

Bs and Ds (Boost involved) deffo look fuller denser buds. But that 'don't mean shit' if they aren't as potent right?! Think I missed a page or two with all this talk of someone carrying the torch on with a triclalalaltinol test. I'll read back like a good boy!...

Heehee, it threw me!, I think you are correct, there is more crystal on the B's and D's, they do look that way in the flesh but they are not the firmest, the C's are without doubt the firmest, I think it is the way it crystalised it locked the bud together to make a nice little nugget.
The A's had improved a lot or are improving a lot with the cure, I would say yes they are the strongest per se but then it is a different buzz too, it is quite odd to me that it is this way but then, I mentioned a long way back, Ojd the breeder/grower had won 2 cups at the last 420 with plants he fed only a touch of Rhiz as youngsters, then Canna A+B and one small amount of a booster during the bloom, I am sorry I don't recall which one but NOT Canna Boost I am sure I would remember all Canna if it was so.
The point is he grew the finest buds, judged to be the finest with very basic nutrients, even more basic than my basic nutes, he obviously has a green finger and seems a nice fella too but the guy did it without any of the crap we are throwing in
I don't know if the A's will win hands down and if they do it won't be by much, and it would NOT beat any group on taste and smell, I still don't understand how it could be more potent when only just cloudy against groups getting ready to change to amber?
I will have to give it the two weeks it needs to finish up, after that they may alter slightly in taste but the potency and type of high should be stamped on them. I had only one other try an A and a D and she couldn't say, only that she liked the taste of the D more, my brother is back later before he goes home so I will take advantage of him and see what he thinks, he knows these buds quite well, he should see the changes.
I hope this helps some S

polysorbate 20 is a readily-availble emulsifier... used in candle-making, making fragrant oils be soluble in water, etc, etc... cheapo & effective for many, many uses. good garden tool for shelf...
can be used to make own nutes...

enjoy your garden!

Hi *m* I will PM you for speed, but ask for anyone else interested, do you know what form of polysorbate I would need, how it comes?, liquid, powder, gel? I ordered some Triacontanol the guy selling says he mixes with polysorbate but no instructions?
I found someone who uses a microwave but it isn't the clearest instructions and no mention of what form this polysorbate takes?
thanks *m*

 

[gmanwho]

Hazy, where have u heard super grow is DEA owned? That seems a little far fetched, but anything is possible. I tried a few searches and came up with notta on the dea idea. Isnt DEA USA? Supergrow is in canada i believe.


B-safe

 

[*mistress*]

................ ...........

Hazy Lady...
*edit*

do you know what form of polysorbate I would need, how it comes?, liquid

missed this 1... tan-light brown liquid...

enjoy your garden!

 

[indifferent]

ojd uses the Bcuzz coco booster and having smoked his weed a few times, it is AAA top notch. I think truecannabliss uses the bcuzz booster too and he has also won cups.

 

[Strangely]

Heehee, it threw me!, I think you are correct, there is more crystal on the B's and D's, they do look that way in the flesh but they are not the firmest, the C's are without doubt the firmest, I think it is the way it crystalised it locked the bud together to make a nice little nugget.
The A's had improved a lot or are improving a lot with the cure, I would say yes they are the strongest per se but then it is a different buzz too, it is quite odd to me that it is this way but then, I mentioned a long way back, Ojd the breeder/grower had won 2 cups at the last 420 with plants he fed only a touch of Rhiz as youngsters, then Canna A+B and one small amount of a booster during the bloom, I am sorry I don't recall which one but NOT Canna Boost I am sure I would remember all Canna if it was so.
The point is he grew the finest buds, judged to be the finest with very basic nutrients, even more basic than my basic nutes, he obviously has a green finger and seems a nice fella too but the guy did it without any of the crap we are throwing in
I don't know if the A's will win hands down and if they do it won't be by much, and it would NOT beat any group on taste and smell, I still don't understand how it could be more potent when only just cloudy against groups getting ready to change to amber?
I will have to give it the two weeks it needs to finish up, after that they may alter slightly in taste but the potency and type of high should be stamped on them. I had only one other try an A and a D and she couldn't say, only that she liked the taste of the D more, my brother is back later before he goes home so I will take advantage of him and see what he thinks, he knows these buds quite well, he should see the changes.

taste is a big factor I agree. But very surprising all the same, even pre full cure.

Re tric (f**k it, you all know what I mean) wasn't there a link to some pre mixed liquid stuff after the initial talk of pineapple refineries on far flung islands? Doc something. It might have been on another thread, but I've not made it up honest!

 

[*mistress*]

taste is a big factor I agree. But very surprising all the same, even pre full cure.

Re tric (f**k it, you all know what I mean) wasn't there a link to some pre mixed liquid stuff after the initial talk of pineapple refineries on far flung islands? Doc something. It might have been on another thread, but I've not made it up honest!

see posts 258 & 259 in this thread...

enjoy your garden!

 

[Badgermonkey]

What's in it?

What's in it?

I thought I would condense and share some things I've found, since we're on the topic of what's in things.

Mychorrizae:
http://www.saviskyproturf.com/28.html

Superthrive:
"No evidence was accumulated through the 4 trials to convince me that Superthrive was of any value as a "tonic" for plants with roots that were beyond the initiation or recovery stage.

The first ingredient listed as beneficial on the Superthrive label is vitamin B-1 (or thiamine). Growing plants are able to synthesize their own vitamin B-1 as do many of the fungi and bacteria having relationships with plant roots, so it's extremely doubtful that vitamin B-1 could be deficient in soils or that a growing plant could exhibit a vitamin B-1 deficiency.

Some will note that I used more of the product than suggested on the container. I wanted to see if any unwanted effects surfaced as well as trying to be sure there was ample opportunity for clear delineation between the groups. I suspect that if a more dilute solution was used, the difference between groups would have been less clear.

It might be worth noting that since the product contains the growth regulator (hormone) auxin, its overuse can cause defoliation, at least in dicots. The broad-leaf weed killer Weed-B-Gone and the infamous Agent Orange, a defoliant that saw widespread use in Viet Nam, are little more than synthetic auxin." - quoted from another forum

I'm still looking into Gravity and Bushmaster (Humboldt Counties Own/Emerald Triangle) since they make some fantastic claims that no other products I know of compare with. From what I've found, they could both be products of Gibberellic Acid. It seems they recommend Using Bushmaster at light change, and Gravity 3 weeks before harvest. They recommend you don't use too much - THEY REALLY STRESS THIS! Also they say not to do it if a plant is stressed.

My observations lead me to believe that GA (which my shop sells straight in a lab-type bottle for ~$25), in certain doses will stress a plant, causing a plant to finish it's current cycle and move to the next. Applying it at light change will make the plant go 'eeP', finish veg, and jump right on to bloom *COUGH*Bushmaster. This minimizes stretch and can take up to two weeks off of bloom time, even though half that was more typical.

Applying GA 3 weeks before harvest would cause the plants to go 'eeP' and try to finish up ASAP, sucking up nutes and trying to get those buds out, since they are in the final phase *COUGH*Gravity. It's supposed to add weight and density and guaranty NO SLOW FINISHES!

All this clicked one day not long after I was foliar spraying my big plants, and realized I had set some babies down about 4' under the HPS while I was doing something with the veg area (since the big ones were >60" and the babies were <4" it was easier to overlook them than you would think; as for forgetting I had put them there... meh who knows eh? ).

I was thinking, hrm, gravity on tiny plants, will they bud in 3 weeks? lol
No, but seriously - these little critters were growing leaps and bounds, doubling in size every few days. Suddenly that all stopped, they didn't grow at all for a few days, then they started bushing out and branching, one branch even pushed the main grow stem aside to have it's way with the plant. It didn't look normal, but since I'm growing Sativa I'm gonna roll with it. I now have 12" little shrubs! I don't have any pics that really show a 4" bush (does that sound dirty or is it just me?) but I'll try to get some and post them tomorrow. Hopefully that one still has a branch higher than the main stem!

 

[*mistress*]

taste is a big factor I agree. But very surprising all the same, even pre full cure.

Re tric (f**k it, you all know what I mean) wasn't there a link to some pre mixed liquid stuff after the initial talk of pineapple refineries on far flung islands? Doc something. It might have been on another thread, but I've not made it up honest!

see posts 258 & 259 in this thread...

Biochemical Stimulation of Plant Growth
http://www.rexresearch.com/agro/biochstim.htm

Triacontanol ~ This fatty acid is found in many plants. It increases growth rates and yields up to 25%, and increases the protein content, even in darkness, when most plants are dormant. It seems to enhance the growth of plants without increasing their consumption of nitrogen.

Triacontanol is non-toxic, and incredibly potent. The applied dosage is one part in 10 million of water, applied as a foliar spray. The simplest way to use triacontanol is to plow under a crop of alfalfa, which contains relatively large amounts of the substance. Other common sources include cotton, apples, and sunflower seeds (which contain up to 8% in the fatty acid fraction).

Triacontanol is extracted from dried plants by chloroform, which is then filtered and evaporated. Extract the residue with acetone, filter and evaporate the acetone, and extract the residue with petroleum ether to yield crude triacontanol. It can be purified by reverse chromatography.

Bradfield 3-1-5 Natural Fertilizer

...is an all purpose all season fertilizer. Safe around children and pets. Environmentally friendly. Non-polluting of our surface and ground waters. Bradfield is available in Bradfield natural fertilizer is made from a rich nutrient blend of alfalfa and other natural ingredients in various combinations of the following:
ALFALFA
High protein, high brix and has many major and minor nutrient elements including amino acids. Contains the natural root stimulant TRIACONTANOL.

http://www.alfagrow.com/about.html

Growth Stimulant
Triacontanol is a naturally occurring plant hormone that acts as a growth promoter. AlfaGrow is a natural source of the plant growth promoter triacontanol. The International Society for Horticultural Science (ISHS) tested the effects of triacontanol on growth and yield of different horticultural crops. ISHS found that the yield per treated plant was significantly higher. Triacontanol has been called "the most potent growth hormone ever used on plants." (Great Lakes Region Newsletter, Fall Edition-1993, page 9 submitted by Clarence Owens and taken from a lecture by D.L. Hinerman, M.D.)

Primarily a plant source of nitrogen (approx. 5%), Alfalfa Pellets also contain trace minerals and triacontanol, a plant growth promoter. Broadcast 25-50 lbs. per 1,000 sq. ft. before planting, or apply as a side dressing later in the season for plants requiring additional nitrogen.

only requires very small amount of tria do tasks it does. maybe enough in regular alfalfa meal/pellets available everywhere. increased levels showed disadvantageous effects.

enjoy your garden!

 

[L-Immortal]

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[W.P.]

I have used Gravity and Bushmaster for a few years.....

Bushmaster works like it says... Biggest buds EVER. Best weight EVER.

And after through testing.....

You can TASTE it after 3 wk flush

Still got an unopened bottle...

Gravity and some sort of carb Molasses/Sweet will add weight, denseness while sending plant into over drive just before flush.

PurpleMaxx i foliar feed and does increase trich coverage.

Now that said first these products are extremely exact .2 of a mill will mean life or death, so not for the "by the eye guy or gal".

BushMaster is a crazy product 20% in yeild but the taste it leaves (IMOP) make it for me the connoisseur type COMPLETELY undesirable and it will make the weed MUCH less potent.

Purple or SnowStorm is a very good product to foliar feed and have no complainants , as long as your exact and don't feed through roots.

Gravity really tightens things up and jump starts the flush (use the week before, actually 10 days before) . Now this product will no matter what give a slight burn to the leaves. So if your not into pushing a plant.... Highly recommend: lower nutes by half , raising lights and going the less is more dosage ( 10 - 12 days) vs higher dosage less time(3-5).

That being said I've used these products for about 2 years+ and except for the Bush have very satisfied.

Currently though doing a side by side w/ out the Purple or Fox Farm Cha- Ching (i usually use)and w/ Bloombastic , not sure if im gonna use the gravity yet or not.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Hazy, where have u heard super grow is DEA owned? That seems a little far fetched, but anything is possible. I tried a few searches and came up with notta on the dea idea. Isnt DEA USA? Supergrow is in canada i believe.


B-safe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUPERthrive

SUPERthrive was developed by Dr. John A. A. Thomson
http://www.superthrive.com/

http://www.superthrive.com/freetrial.html

 

[gmanwho]

SUPER-GROW.BIZ... not super thrive!!!!!!

TOTALLY different..............

Website not a product....

Supergrow is canada based company.... basically just a supplier of acids an horticultural enhancers.


B-safe

 

[Owl Mirror]

SUPER-GROW.BIZ... not super thrive!!!!!!

TOTALLY different..............

Website not a product....

Supergrow is canada based company.... basically just a supplier of acids an horticultural enhancers.


B-safe

Ah! sorry ;>}

Does anyone use these products regularly ?

Fulvic Acid 75% @ http://super-grow.biz/FulvicAcid.jsp

MycoMaxx @ http://super-grow.biz/MycoMaxx.jsp

Supergrow is canada based company

Products are not available in Canada.

I wonder why this company doesn't sell their products in their own country ?

 

[Badgermonkey]

I want some of what you're smokin' bro

 

[gmanwho]

Owl, NP . i wanna know if hazy was thinking that too, or smoking from your stash.

No worries. Just the whole thing with super-grow being owned by the dea kinda got me wondering.


Mycomax is a mycrohaze ( spelling), not sure about concentrations. mycrohaze is a great bene to add. helping break down dead material and nutes to simplier forms tha the plant can consume.

Never tried there fulvic. which i should, i use ruby fulvic, and tried diamond nectar. i like the ruby. plants seem to be more perky and more responsive. thicker, healthier stems and petioles. thou i never have run a side by side with or without either. Just things ive tried before and have stuck with casue they appear to make a differnce.

Super grow has a cloneing hormone i would like to try one day. they do have side by side comaprison photos.

B-safe

 

[Owl Mirror]

Owl, NP . i wanna know if hazy was thinking that too, or smoking from your stash.

No worries. Just the whole thing with super-grow being owned by the dea kinda got me wondering.


Mycomax is a mycrohaze ( spelling), not sure about concentrations. mycrohaze is a great bene to add. helping break down dead material and nutes to simplier forms tha the plant can consume.

Never tried there fulvic. which i should, i use ruby fulvic, and tried diamond nectar. i like the ruby. plants seem to be more perky and more responsive. thicker, healthier stems and petioles. thou i never have run a side by side with or without either. Just things ive tried before and have stuck with casue they appear to make a differnce.

Super grow has a cloneing hormone i would like to try one day. they do have side by side comaprison photos.

B-safe

Thanks Gman
I did a search for: Super-Grow owned by US drug enforcement administration

I found absolutely nothing related to this inquiry.
Where did you hear this rumor and how reliable is it ?
It would be a shame to ruin a good company with a malicious unfounded rumor.

 

[Badgermonkey]

Quote: Hi Badge, I can think of one use for silicon that doesn't really work, more great stuff, I/we have been very lucky on this thread, thanks for all your links and info.
You say about spraying 'melting' trichs, I know you don't mean washing away of course but I have wasted the odd hours on this, as nothing we are interested in is water soluble, and would be a huge cock-up by Mother Nature, rains/sprays can't have the effect of directly washing crystals away but it could be as a reaction to the spray all the same.
One of the main reasons trichs exist is to direct harsh sunlight from the tender seeds inside the calyx, could rain/spraying frequently convince the plant it is not going to need as many because if it's raining it's not as sunny, even though it is in good light? plants react to different stimulus in so many ways who knows, the direct water on leaf may over ride the message its sunny pehaps? well I did say I had wasted a few hours over this, just a thought!
btw, never doubted you can measure properly Badge, I use 1ml syringes marked to 100th of a ml, they are useless after a few hits anyway

I can't think of anything plastic hose is better than silicon hose for (Mistress probably could 8p).

It doesn't make sense that the tricomes would be water soluble, but I would foliar, they'd get fuzzy I was all WEWT I'm gonna keep spraying that! A week later, less tricomes... I'm a newb, I dunno wtf is going on, but I'm determined!

ps where the hell do you get 1ml syringes?