What Male to use in a cross?

[SOTF420]

The train was never on the tracks in the thread lol

But like I said before, I do luv ya. Even if you do think the new GF x BB is real Sweet Tooth.

One day you will come back over to the good side man and trade in that Chimera gear for the real deal holyfield.

 

[englishrick]

The Y chromosome is unimportant for our interests Rick. And like I said plenty of people have Cheese so you're not really conserving anything that could be lost.

^^^ ya know G,,,,^^^^your fucin crazy!!,,,,,i love you but WOW you are detached from the streets!!,,,,you say this like its comon knolage^^^^,,,,peeps in DocLeaf crew are not aware of this,,,im trying to help and untill now you keept slammin me for what you seem to comfirm here,,,"Selfing is wickid if you have the prized outliner indervidual?",,,

i like DocLeaf,,he supprted me back when i started here,,,i was dumb, ill, now icmag my carehome,,an doc is still an elder in our house,,,,,same with britishhempire but hes ahead of the game when it comes to Cheese S1,,,this is who i know,,,,im just trying to make points from many perspectives,,maybe my friends canot source the cheese clone for whatever reason,,,,,who knows its all a matter of perspective,,,,,,,,,,you seem up be in the hevens from my perspective, it gets pretty hard lookin up ALL the time....but il be the first to admit "i love it when you drop mana nowan again"

this is goooood goooood bread you got here....hmmmm...yum





ps,,,,,,,,,,the first time i saw a bud from the real cheese clone SOMETHING HIT ME,,,,,,THE SMELL!!!,,,,STRONG!!!!,,for tobaco smokers its heven,,,,,its a whole new experence!!!,,,,,,,,,no seeds in many years of growing have given me that effect,,,i want a seedline thats gona smack me in the face with that Afghan Stink with every plant,,,,,,sam selected away from the stink,,,,i want the oposite,,i want to isolate and eggzagerate THE STINK...

nuff love

 

[englishrick]

oh,,,,,,green

i used to live in Amsterdam from 00/01,,,,,i was young but i wanted to know about weed,,,,i worked in a coffeshop ,,,,

in 06 i first saw pureSK1, Cheese was my first taste of pure SK,,,,i was smoking SSH and gratewhitesharkxgodzila at the greenhouse everyday for over a year in 00,,but somehow pureSK1 had eluded me ,,sk had vanished and i didnt get to taste it till 06,,,,,,,,

then,, years ago,,,, i started to hear about a weed called cheese from down londonway...then i met a guy in amsterdam who said "i grow cheese",,,pure sk an all that,,join icmag,,,,,,,,nuff said,,,,good guy...

Buddah brought the Cheese 1 at that years HTCC,,,,,it was like SK1 was retro,,,fashion!!

i tryed buddahs cheese,,,"not bad but - not good enough for me",,,,bluecheese is fukin awsome tho,,,F1,,, Sk x DJ Blueberry ,,,no wonder...lol

 

[Gene-weaver]

sorry i havnt read all your posts rick but if your talking about reversing the uk cheese it cannot be done! mr cheese from the buddha crew told me that uk clone cant be selfed and that they had to use femm pollem from a bbc to reverse the uk cut!

 

[GreenintheThumb]

^^^ ya know G,,,,^^^^your fucin crazy!!,,,,,i love you but WOW you are detached from the streets!!,,,,you say this like its comon knolage^^^^

There's trash in the streets so I reach for the stars

,,,,peeps in DocLeaf crew are not aware of this,,,

Well...I don't know what to say. How'd they miss it. This has been talked to death, literally dozens of threads a year about it since about 01. They must have missed hundreds of threads in total...

im trying to help and untill now you keept slammin me for what you seem to comfirm here,,,"Selfing is wickid if you have the prized outliner indervidual?",,,

Selfing is a great technique to evaluate genotypes and make quick strides towards homozygosity. I've never spoken out against it and it remains a valued tool in my mind since hyb introduced the technique back on OG.

i like DocLeaf,,he supprted me back when i started here,,,i was dumb, ill, now icmag my carehome,,an doc is still an elder in our house,,,,,same with britishhempire but hes ahead of the game when it comes to Cheese S1,,,this is who i know

Uh...okay. Don't know who those people are...

,,,,im just trying to make points from many perspectives,,maybe my friends canot source the cheese clone for whatever reason,,,,,who knows its all a matter of perspective,,,,,,,,,,

Well then help preserve the species, send them the clone for God's sake

you seem up be in the hevens from my perspective, it gets pretty hard lookin up ALL the time....but il be the first to admit "i love it when you drop mana nowan again"

Well, thanks. And this may all seem daunting but it's not that hard. It takes some time and effort, like anything you love and want to get better at.

I think your problem is you dove in way too deep too quick. You can't jump in the deep end before you can tread water. If I was you Rick I would do my best to forget everything you know. Literally, put it all out of your mind and start over. Go crack an elementary breeding text. The info in there will be invaluable. There isn't much point in talking about complex breeding programs, target environments, and epigenetics when one lacks the understanding of genetics, simple inheritance, and meiosis.

 

[Chauncy]

Thanks for coming back to the thread to explain yourself Chimera. That Hermi (Mental), Floss of yours is a real asset to the genepool. Yer lil' budy gave me some to smoke, real nice stuff but damn if it didn't just ruin his and many other's crop.

SOTF420, you are loco when it comes to thinking you know what you are talking about when it comes to Sweet Tooth! Steve was/is one of the best that the herb industy ever had to offer though...

Green, I really like most of what you have to say but damn whatta chip!

Tom, thanks again for keeping it real!

 

[Gene-weaver]

skunk#1 ( cheese pheno ) is from what i have been told a xxxx chromosome plant that cannot be selfed!

 

[englishrick]

geneW bro,,ive done it,,,i selfed the cheese,,,

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Don't believe the hype gene-weaver.

 

[englishrick]

There's trash in the streets so I reach for the stars

YOU ARE A STAR,,,,

Well...I don't know what to say. How'd they miss it. This has been talked to death, literally dozens of threads a year about it since about 01. They must have missed hundreds of threads in total...

LOADS OF PEOPLE MISSED WHAT YOU DIDNT,,,,it needed pointing out imo..

Selfing is a great technique to evaluate genotypes and make quick strides towards homozygosity. I've never spoken out against it and it remains a valued tool in my mind since hyb introduced the technique back on OG.

THANKS HYB,,,,,,,,i agree,,,selfing is the best tool for speeds faster than noemal full sib,,,,S lines are the way forward imo,,,,

GIVE THEM THE CLONE

id love to send out 1,000,000`s of cheese clones but legality and cost restrict me,,,,seeds are the way forward imo,,,,i would love to just keep seeds and shut down my mother room,,,but the need to clone stops me,,,,ive been supporting this same cheese clone for 4 years solid nearly,,i need a brake

I think your problem is you dove in way too deep too quick. You can't jump in the deep end before you can tread water. If I was you Rick I would do my best to forget everything you know. Literally, put it all out of your mind and start over. Go crack an elementary breeding text. The info in there will be invaluable. There isn't much point in talking about complex breeding programs, target environments, and epigenetics when one lacks the understanding of genetics, simple inheritance, and meiosis.

i tryed to read allard but i got lost ,,,,i need a baby book,,,something quick but totaly to the point,,,im trying G,,il get there i prommise,,,i apreceate all the time your spending with me lately too,,,its very kind of you,,i know how i try your patiance,,,,

i think toooo mutch

nice 1 G

 

[nvisionary]

TomHill:"Backcrossing and selfing can absolutely be employed in todays political climate, neither require thousands of plants to be grown at once."

>>> Ok. You sound confident about that. Describe how it can be done. How do you do it? Lets see the pics of how you have been doing selfing and backcrossing.

You are making seed varieties for upper latitudes in Central America?? ....OUTDOORS??? Can you elaborate on that?

........or are you saying youre on vacation?? fuk, idunno...

Im sorry if Im mis-reading your 'keeping-it-real'. youll need to give me a little more 'real' if you could.

TomHill:"When you state these things so very matter of factly, that this and that can not possibly be done correctly by anyone, it seems to me that you are in fact disregarding that it is a numbers game. -Tom"

>>>Nope. I didnt catch that one either..wtf are you talking about here??? I am the guy who has repeatedly held that ITS A NUMBERS GAME. It is you that has been arguing that it can be done with less numbers. Please post something CLEAR.

p.s. I understand what happens when the hatchery fish interbreed with native fish....Are you trying to imply that I like it? or what????? Dont be so cryptic.

Aside from that, yes it does sound familiar in another way.... like Gypsy personally trading/gifting Dutch hack jobs to Laos farmers..and other places where they never had them before?.. (gypsy is the 'hatchery' here, Laos is the diluted native race). Stay clear, now.

 

[englishrick]

i think you love to see us try,,we love that you love to see us try ,,,,WOW maybe thats just a lil too mutch bloody LOVE in d house today

 

[DocLeaf]

Please note ,,, i'm not a Botanist (didnt do that coarse) but am a practising (and qualified)horticulturalist. X and Y chromosomes are lost on me... sorry

skunk#1 ( cheese pheno ) is from what i have been told a xxxx chromosome plant that cannot be selfed!

What we do know for sure ,, is that 'Cheese' (the original UK clone) will NOT produce abnormal flowers as a result of natural stress. We've tried this plenty times in several different gardens to gage the results. It doesn't happen! We know 10s of cheese growers and none of them EVER get herms or selfed seeds from their crops.

We don't use chemicals (period),, so couldn't comment of chemical reversing Cheese.

However , the following 'Cheese crosses',, did produce abnormal flowers as a result of lineage / heat / light stress : BigBuddha's Cheese, Spicy Cheese F1, and Kachina (Cheese x TW) ,, which we seeded s1 from in 2005 (aka Eekamouse).

Back then,, when we told the online UK Cheese massive that we'd made Cheese S1,, they first laughed their asses off at us. Then helped educated us into the fact that we didnt actually have the original Cheese clone in our gardens.

We'd suggest that those that have made S1 from "Cheese" may have actually reversed a 'Cheese cross' like BBC or a Kachina cut (shown above). Otherwise we've still never seen any evidence that anyone made S1 with original UK Exodus Cheese clone... other than hearsay.

Rick ,, hempy claimed he reversed Cheese,, but never backed up the talk with genetic images. Please show us some photos folks. To reiterate , this is the reason breeders needed BigBuddha line,, because they couldn't reverse the UK Cheese clone they had,, but they wanted to Feminize the line real bad.

No panic, Greeninthethumb,, obviously we could get a Cheese clone within an hour,, (LGA Fam-a-lama),, where you think mans get them from? But spraying anything with chemicals to make seeds with for later seems slightly barbaric,, and honestly doesnt interest us these sides. We share different aims... jah bless that.

Peace out ...

@nvisionary , Did you read the thread on how to sow seeds yet?

600 seedlings under 5X400HPS by Growdoc : http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=14745

Peace Peace Peace

 

[Gene-weaver]

exactly my point cheese ( exodus ) is un selfable i knew i had that much right are you sure the cut you got there is a uk clone rick not doubting it is just that i know cheese is real hard to self did you say you did it with sts? not cs or giberilic acid?

 

[DocLeaf]

I n I nah call fowl on EnglishRick (he's an englishman),, just trying to emphasize the fact that what looks , smells, and smokes like Cheese,, isn't always the same clone that came from Exodus. Plenty dicks shift clones about and call it 'Cheese' just for the kickback ($).

Anyhow,, where were we,, OP resulting in the earliest males pollinating the earliest females and the later males pollinating the later females,, which usually divides populations into two distinct groups in the field,, the earl and late flowering types.

(thanks for the words of knowledge yesterday BeAn)...

Peace n flowers

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Please note ,,, i'm not a Botanist (didnt do that coarse) but am a practising (and qualified)horticulturalist. X and Y chromosomes are lost on me... sorry

....really? I never took a single course on plant anything but while I was running a 4 kw garden during college I was working in a psychopharmacology lab and still managed to get research published in a reputable journal. Perhaps you should expand your horizons.

What we do know for sure ,, is that 'Cheese' (the original UK clone) will NOT produce abnormal flowers as a result of natural stress. We've tried this plenty times in several different gardens to gage the results. It doesn't happen! We know 10s of cheese growers and none of them EVER get herms or selfed seeds from their crops.

Hey, if these statements didn't make you seem so clueless they'd make me feel very good about the cheese's traits and resistance to stress

We don't use chemicals (period),, so couldn't comment of chemical reversing Cheese.

You should look into hormone treatments that can induce reversal of sexual phenotypes. Pretty fucking useful. And at this stage of the game really old news.

However , the following 'Cheese crosses',, did produce abnormal flowers as a result of lineage / heat / light stress : BigBuddha's Cheese, Spicy Cheese F1, and Kachina (Cheese x TW) ,, which we seeded s1 from in 2005 (aka Eekamouse).

Great, tell people to stop breeding with all of them

We'd suggest that those that have made S1 from "Cheese" may have actually reversed a 'Cheese cross' like BBC or a Kachina cut (shown above). Otherwise we've still never seen any evidence that anyone made S1 with original UK Exodus Cheese clone... other than hearsay.

But you're ignorant to the entire idea of hormone treatments that will reverse the sex of ANY clone...so...uh....yeah.

Rick ,, hempy claimed he reversed Cheese,, but never backed up the talk with genetic images. Please show us some photos folks. To reiterate , this is the reason breeders needed BigBuddha line,, because they couldn't reverse the UK Cheese clone they had,, but they wanted to Feminize the line real bad.

Well thank god they hacked away and eventual found progeny that will show intersex traits with a bit of stress...you guys are doing god's work here (this is sarcasm and I'm mocking you)

No panic, Greeninthethumb,, obviously we could get a Cheese clone within an hour,, (LGA Fam-a-lama),, where you think mans get them from? But spraying anything with chemicals to make seeds with for later seems slightly barbaric,, and honestly doesnt interest us these sides. We share different aims... jah bless that.

What seems slightly barbaric would be unleashing ignorant pollen chuckers on the pool.

@nvisionary , Did you read the thread on how to sow seeds yet?

If you knew who nvisionary was you'd probably not say something stupid like this...


AAAAND: flowering time isn't a dichotomy. You don't find only late and early flowering individuals in any population. You find a continuum of individuals that all vary slightly on this trait.

 

[Gene-weaver]

im out of here its getting ugly again

 

[DocLeaf]

If you knew who nvisionary was you'd probably not say something stupid like this...

i'm fully aware of who your cohort is.. Growdoc and I helped correct their misinformation on the FAQs back at OG. But please lets keep the dialogue civil . This thread has some good info.

Peace n flowers

 

[GreenintheThumb]

I thought I was very civil

Out of curiosity what did you ever correct him on?

 

[VerdantGreen]

The Y chromosome is unimportant for our interests Rick. And like I said plenty of people have Cheese so you're not really conserving anything that could be lost.

no, a seedline of the cheese would be a far more secure way of preserving it than clones. in the uk seeds are legal and clones are not. seeds and clones are streets away from each other in their ease of preservation.

obviously making the seedline may be hard or nearly impossible, but i applaud rick for trying and dont see why anyone would want to belittle his efforts

V.