Cytokinin

[h.h.]

Did somebody fart in here? What happened to organic hydro?
Things are going good with the coconut milk. At the very least, it hasn't gone bad or caused any ill effects. I read another thread where they used "young" cc milk. The young coconut is more gelatinous and contains more of what I read as being embryonic fluid. Very similar to our own, able to sustain life on it's own.
Picked up some hempmilk at Stator Bros. All kinds of omega's and good stuff in it for you and me. I'm thinking most any milk made from seed should have embryonic qualities. Hormones or whatever they are.

 

[h.h.]

http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/131/3/1270

 

[h.h.]

In dioecious species the sex of individual plants is genetically determined,
but its expression may be modified by hormonal or environmental factors
[3, 7, 8] . The sex of individual flowers may be specifically dependent on the
hormonal balance in the shoot apex, in which flower development is initiated
[8] . In most dioecious plants studied, two hormones belonging to two
different groups usually act oppositely to promote either male or female
flowers. In spinach and hemp, cytokinins and gibberellins are involved in
feminization and masculinization, respectively [3] . In Mercurialis, however,
while cytokinins still favour femaleness, auxins seem to be responsible for
the initiation of male flowers [5] . Cytokinins also have a feminizing effect on
Vitis [10] and Luffa [12] ; and female plants in some species contain a higher
cytokinin-like activity than the males [6] .

http://www.springerlink.com/content/lg6823730q218529/fulltext.pdf

 

[Dislexus]

This study found TDZ (thidiazuron) to be the best cytokonin inducer for cannabis: http://www.pakbs.org/pjbot/PDFs/41(2)/PJB41(2)603.pdf

props to h.h. for the link

 

[psycho pirate]

I have been using AN Nirvana which has cytokinin in it, and it seems to be helping the transition to flower. I have used it from Kelp also and it does work well.

 

[h.h.]

Kelp, coconut milk, and malt extract.
Thanks for posting the clone link. It was intended for here yet I thought it deserved a thread of it's own as well.
TDZ coming from urea? Pee in my cc milk? I would be hesitant to share any product out of respect for others. "Sorry to Bogart bro, but I respect you".... I may have to be a little less natural.
Enough rambling, here's some more meat.
http://www.simplyhydro.com/Hormones.htm

 

[h.h.]

Cytokinins can promote axillary bud growth by over-riding the apparent
inhibiting effect of auxin. This is one of the ways in which plants balance
root and shoot growth. Shoot tip auxins inhibit lateral bud activation.
Cytokinins produced in root meristems travel upward in xylem and if in higher
concentration counter the inhibition of auxins to activate lateral buds.

 

[rrog]

H2, glad you're still in this. Not sure what happened to the OBBT gang...

 

[h.h.]

Once you get growing, there's not a lot to report I found when goggling that if I use "hemp" instead of "marijuana" in context with"cytokinin" , I get a host of new sites.
I have heard of making rooting hormone from willow, but never investigated. I guess it contains salicylic acid. In essence aspirin. Important in fighting off pathogens. I could go into a whole different direction with that. I started a another cloning thread in the general population section with the link.

 

[DHF]

Hey H2.......I read a thread somewhere bout the boiled bark extract from a willow tree being the main ingredient in the majority of rooting hormone powder/gel/solutions........

Or maybe it was the roots.........Can`t remember but I do recall they were boiling roots/bark and using the leftover for dipping the cuts in after cooling and were having close to 100% results..........

Take care......DHF....

 

[MrFista]

Yes you heard right. But you can just get some willow bark in a trough and stick cuttings in that water for a soak and it works just as well. We'd use rainwater and strip bark then soak it a week. A trough full of rooting dip for free.

Thousands of trees rooted from sticks surrounding market garden lots, not one gap.

 

[h.h.]

I wanted to bump this thread. The original idea was to get a larger ratio of females.After reading about true females, I lost interest to a point. I'm still running coconut milk as a nutrient.in the bubble buckets. After a couple months it hasn't gone bad. However my dog ate my homework and I am forced to start again.
First my understanding of how CK works is that despite the sex of a plant, when each individual flower appears they decide on their own sex. I guess each has their own slightly different genetic makeup. CK influences them to be female.
It seems a female flower growing on a male plant would be less desirable. A wasted effort. After reading a post on revegging, it struck me. The reason for using CK would be to prevent stress from turning a good girl bad.

 

[rrog]

Hey h2. How ya been?

I lost interest in the feminization of male seeds altogether. Much better to determine genetic females and run with them.

Also, I will no longer use the Cytokinin until sex is revealed. It delays the process of culling males.

That's based on my very limited experience and reading others experiences.

After sexing the plants, then I'm a big believer in the Cytokinins. I use Nitrozyme, as it is a complex of functional hormones and organic to boot.

 

[grapeman]

Cytokinins will not exhibit any benefits unless all else is dialed in 100%. Even then, the benefits are so small, so as to be difficult to observe.

Period. End of paragraph.

Also, tiny amounts (very tiny), are all that is needed to give a plant a dose.

My 2 cents.

 

[rrog]

Cytokinins will not exhibit any benefits unless all else is dialed in 100%. Even then, the benefits are so small, so as to be difficult to observe.

That's a broad statement that I have not seen supported by any data or anecdotal evidence at all.

Also, tiny amounts (very tiny), are all that is needed to give a plant a dose.

This is absolutely true. Hormones are simply triggers, not building blocks.

 

[grapeman]

That's a broad statement that I have not seen supported by any data or anecdotal evidence at all.



This is absolutely true. Hormones are simply triggers, not building blocks.

It may be a broad statement but IMO it is absolutely true. I come to that conclusion after using cyokinins since 1982, from different suppliers, in varying quantities, timings and strengths on several commercial agricultural crops. Both foliar and soil. Always with a control.

When everything is in sync it can help. If not, you will never see an effect. Broad statement or not, if all else is not perfect, it is a waste of time and money.

 

[h.h.]

All things being perfect, if there is such a state, we start getting into the minute details, CK being one of them. it's not a magic bullet, nor is it an exspence unless your buying commercial products. Many of the sources used containing CK, seaweed, or in my case coconut milk, contains a host of other beneficials. CK is simply one path to explore. The benefits perhaps not visible by simple observation, perhaps rating a 1 on a hundred scale of importance. Put enough 1's together and you'll get somewhere. This thread is not so much an endorsement as it is my personal research on Google. I just found so much information, I thought it should be shared. I'd like to see someone do a thread on GA and other hormones as well. Break everything down into detail, thread by thread.
My own personal research...Damn dogs. They were healthy til' they got ate. Plants as well.

 

[rrog]

well g-man, I'll put you down in the "doesn't like it camp." You're the first entry in that column.

 

[grapeman]

well g-man, I'll put you down in the "doesn't like it camp." You're the first entry in that column.

LOL not true. I still use it. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't see results from it all the time. Let me explain. I have been using it for a long time. I use it in grape growing. I use it 5 days before Gibb treatments (for berry size) and 5 days before Etherel treatment to induce color on red grapes). I have experimented on finding the right timing and for table grape, I believe 5 days prior to the event (sizing or color) is the best time to introduce cytokinins for enhanced effect. I always leave controls without treatment. Some times I see a slight effect. Some times I see a dramatic effect and some times there is no effect.

But this is in the field, outside in the elements, which adds a whole other layer of variables. Still, I am assuming that growing indoors cuts those variables in half at least. But I would still wager that if all is not perfect within the plant and soil, a application of cytokinin would not be noticeable. Does that mean I won't of don't use it? No, of course I use it. I am still learning on the best timing of use for this crop.

 

[h.h.]

I haven't seen any effects from the use of CK. The most I can truly say is that it doesn't hurt. The research certainly sounds promising and I can't help but feel CK is making a contribution. Certainly the coconut milk I use does. Everything is healthy or was...Starting over with seedlings watered with young coco water. We'll see.