Fulvic Acid - Do you use it and how

[mister c]

dongle is right. But you cant say that for humics. Just fulvics.

You can use fulvic in both hydro and coco/soil. Fulvic the pure form of humic.

Like cocaine is cooked to crack kinda.

Humic is the unrefined version of fulvic. It is trouble in hydro. But beautiful in soil/coco.

Fulvics/humics chew the food for the plants making it more available. Also stabilizing the ph at the same time.

If i had to pick one or the other i would pick fulvic because the quality is way higher.

 

[humble1]

bioag fulvic is available in california. ngw has it in their catalog now.
ask your hydro store to look it up and order it for you.

 

[dongle69]

It is so stupid that they still have to call it humic acid in California and Oregon because of labeling restrictions.
CA and OR description:
Ful-Power: A superior humic acid liquid, golden in color...
All other states:
Ful-Power: (formerly BioMagic) A superior Fulvic Acid...

 

[snaggy]

I use fulvic (gold) and humic (black) for soiless.

Black is a great soil conditioner.
http://floracorp.ca/English/black_en.html
Not needed for hydro I am told from a friend, and will gunk up automated systems anyways due to its heavy molecular structure

Fulvic is for the medium feeding, and also for foliar feeding during flowering cycle.
http://floracorp.ca/English/gold_en.html

heres the best fulvic to humin chart I can find in a quick manner.
http://www.montmorillonite.info/Page%205_fulvic%20acid.htm

 

[rmccinc719]

i use f1 and h2 from advanced.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

I use Fulvic and Humic acid, one watering I add Fulvic to my nute mix and the next water I add Humic...

 

[*mistress*]

fulvic acid has smaller molecules w/ high charge.
humic acid has larger molecules w/ less charge.

*both gh flora nova & gh bio thrive contain humic acids.

*45% humic acid ore...
top dressed.
added to coco+perlite, etc mix.

Fulvic acid is soluble independent of ph where humic is soluble more towards alkaline.
Humic is used a lot because it is cheap.
To say that fulvic is for hydro and not for soil/coco would be incorrect.
Fulvic is higher quality and good for everything.

dont know if fulvic is 'higher quality' than 'humic; they are just formed differently & are in different states of decomposition.

humates chelate & are catalysts the nutrient mix. allowing metals such as iron, manganese, zinc & copper - which do not dissolve easily - to move into/out of cell walls.
as dongle69 mentioned, effectiveness is based on ph of nutrient solution - as w/ many compounds in the solution.
humates seem to be only beneficial, w/ no detectable adverse effects...

enjoy your garden!

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I'm in DWC and I use fulvic from the local hydro shop. It's supposed to help with nutrient uptake I believe. Don't have much to compare it to, but in addition to my nutes and other stuff it seems to be working, it's definitely not proven itself to be detrimental.

 

[vonforne]

I use Fulvic and Humic acid, one watering I add Fulvic to my nute mix and the next water I add Humic...

Same here and I add humic ore to the soil substrate.

V

 

[Germanator]

Any insight on Humega and Huvega from Organicare? I was tempted to run both in my coco feed schedule.

 

[YosemiteSam]

You know the problem I have with Floralicious Plus vs Bioag is not in the actual performance dept but in the fact that F+ seems to attract fungus gnats. And I will admit that is just my perception...of course there are plenty of other variables that could be the cause.

I find myself less and less likely to use anything "organic". No question when used right F+ is a great additive and maybe I should identify what it is in my setup that allows it to attract gnats. On the other hand keeping it very simple seems to work very well also.

Anyways...that is my reasoning for using BioAg over F+.

 

[*mistress*]

You know the problem I have with Floralicious Plus vs Bioag is not in the actual performance dept but in the fact that F+ seems to attract fungus gnats. And I will admit that is just my perception...of course there are plenty of other variables that could be the cause.

I find myself less and less likely to use anything "organic". No question when used right F+ is a great additive and maybe I should identify what it is in my setup that allows it to attract gnats. On the other hand keeping it very simple seems to work very well also.

Anyways...that is my reasoning for using BioAg over F+.

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floralicious grow/bloom & floralicious plus were mfg for aroma & taste & aroma & + microbes, sugars etc, repsectively...

though they contain humic acid, as does gh flora nova bloom & gh bio thrive, gh mfg's other products for pure humic & fulvic acids...

DIAMOND NECTAR™
Liquid Premium Organic Humic Acid
Despite the low level of nutrients found in natural soil-based environments, plant growth nevertheless occurs because the smallest humic acids channel available nutrients directly into nearby vegetation. By accelerating nutrient absorption at the root boundary zone where minerals enter the plant, small particle sized humic acids optimize nutrient uptake in fast growing vegetation. Diamond Nectar applies the magic of the smallest available humic acids to nutrient rich hydroponic environments by grabbing these nutrient minerals and transporting them into plant roots for faster growth and higher yields. Diamond Nectar supercharges your nutrients in order to optimize the health of your plants and the quality of your crops.

RARE EARTH™

Dry Premium Blend Organic Minerals & Humates
Rare Earth is derived from ancient seabed deposits of pyrophylitic clay that are blended with fulvate ore. By slowly releasing silicon, humates, and organic rare earth minerals, Rare Earth allows a crystal matrix to develop within growing plant tissue that protects the plant from heat stress and nutrient extremes by generating a protective silicon shield. This also deters fungal disease and reduces susceptibility to insect damage by "hardening" the plant. Use Rare Earth by blending it with rooting media, and either top-dressing around the plant stem or adding it directly to nutrient solutions.

enjoy your garden!

 

[dubwise]

Will the use of fulvic work in hempy buckets? Is there enough time for it to completely work?

 

[tintala]

I use F-1 from AN

I use F-1 from AN

I used to use alot of AN, but there is Humic in alot of supplements, I am getting great results with mixing a GH product some pure blend and AN : flrcs += humics, f-1 from AN, pbp bloom = humic, Liquid Karma= humics,, so the only fulvic i use is AN at 1/3 the recommended strength. I got fantastic results!

 

[*mistress*]

Will the use of fulvic work in hempy buckets? Is there enough time for it to completely work?

it should be immediately available. fulvic working effective would seem to be the carrying (catalyst) of nutes thru cell walls.
fulvic acid contains over 60 trace minerals, as well.
fulvic also available @ varying ph's...

metals like iron, zinc, manganese, & copper, which do not dissolve easily are chelated by humates (including fulvics), making them more available to roots.

in imagination, use humic acid ore (carbon granules) in hempy-like bucket. can also top-dress w/ it. or add to media before transplant/sowing. or both.
the granules dissolve over future moments.
if use hydroponic/water soluble fulvic acid, plants should assimilate solution immediately.

enjoy your garden!

 

[LEDGro]

Thanks for the info and links everyone. I am going to pick some up, it should be great for my raised bed gardens as well!

I was thinking about my hempy bucket setup and was wondering if something like the BioAg Vam & Activator would be good? I think it could be ideal because it combines Humisolve TM-7 (humic, fulvic and 7 trace elements) and 4 types of Mycorrhizal Fungi.

The fungi helps increase surface area of roots and has been shown to be very beneficial to tons of different plants. In fact there are some species of plants that require the symbiotic fungi to survive.

Unlike with soil the hempy medium has no beneficial fungi so I think adding this could be very very good for the plants. Anyone have any experience with this?

Product Spec Sheet:http://www.bioag.com/images/Vam_Technical_and_GAR_low_res.pdf

 

[UNREGISTRD]

It is so stupid that they still have to call it humic acid in California and Oregon because of labeling restrictions.
CA and OR description:
Ful-Power: A superior humic acid liquid, golden in color...
All other states:
Ful-Power: (formerly BioMagic) A superior Fulvic Acid...

lol.. thought i was reading it wrong...
like seriously im reading the label FUL-POWER.. yet it says its Humic in the NGW catalog then i go the bioag website and it says FULVIC...

Anyhow... a gallon in the NGW catalog is 49.95$ for FUL-POWER
Does anyone know the dilution ratio??? how many ML per gal...??

 

[Hackk]

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[YosemiteSam]

Hacck...switch back. If the problem clears up you have your answer. Just make sure you ask yourself if anything else has changed in your grow. In my opinion, Diamond Nectar is one of the weaker GH products. I have personally made the choice not to use it based on experience with it.

Recent experience leads me to believe Fulvic is overrated...but I could be alone in that feeling. BioAg is an excellent fulvic product though...if you can get it, give it a try.

 

[grapeman]

Fulvic acid is soluble independent of ph where humic is soluble more towards alkaline.
Humic is used a lot because it is cheap.
To say that fulvic is for hydro and not for soil/coco would be incorrect.
Fulvic is higher quality and good for everything.

Higher quality....hmm I don't know. But what I do know, is that the molecular chain of fulvic acid is smaller and more easily transportable within the plant. I think fulvic and Humic really perform simular functions, it's just that fulvic does it better IMO. I use humic at times in soil in late winter/early spring applications on the farm through the drip. but for something I want quick results on, it's fulvic. On the leaf.


Glad to see so many using and praising the use of fulvic.