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So my plants got some spots on them,..
I think its either nute burn or cal/mag deficiency. Either way ive addressed both issues.
1) i got the float in a few days ago which will keep the water level from dropping and in turn the nute concentration from rising and burning my ladies,
and 2) i added a little cal/mag and bloom nutes to the res,.. after i got the ppm's down to under 300 mind you, just in case burn was in fact the issue.
After adding everything im currently running at 333ppm and a pH of 5.5 and im ready to watch the swing (hopefully this time move slowly!)
My logic for those setting is because the last few days ive had the water cooler auto refilling straight 7.0 pH water i noticed my res pH was swinging faster then you'd want it to, swinging upward mind you. While conversely what was happening before adding the res refiller was as the water level went down the concentration of nutes git higher and pH swung downward,.. now ill be watching the swing go upward. I'm not sure which i better, up or down, but if im to auto top off my res i think this is the way its gotta be. There's just no way to swing downward while topping off with 7.0ph water,.. and on top of that it swung upward too fast, i would have made it through the 5.5-6.0 range in just a few short days and im shooting for it to take 2 week. So to combat that i put a new bottle on top the cooler with 6.0pH adjusted water in it. I want to swing between 6.0 and 5.5 anyway, so i figure if im going to be swinging upward having the res refiller at the top end of the pH range i want is best. I don't see how i could go higher then 6.0 now and i should get to 6.0 (from 5.5) slower.
pic's of levels just for the proverbial record...
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So my plants got some spots on them,..
I think its either nute burn or cal/mag deficiency. Either way ive addressed both issues.
1) i got the float in a few days ago which will keep the water level from dropping and in turn the nute concentration from rising and burning my ladies,
and 2) i added a little cal/mag and bloom nutes to the res,.. after i got the ppm's down to under 300 mind you, just in case burn was in fact the issue.
After adding everything im currently running at 333ppm and a pH of 5.5 and im ready to watch the swing (hopefully this time move slowly!)
My logic for those setting is because the last few days ive had the water cooler auto refilling straight 7.0 pH water i noticed my res pH was swinging faster then you'd want it to, swinging upward mind you. While conversely what was happening before adding the res refiller was as the water level went down the concentration of nutes git higher and pH swung downward,.. now ill be watching the swing go upward. I'm not sure which i better, up or down, but if im to auto top off my res i think this is the way its gotta be. There's just no way to swing downward while topping off with 7.0ph water,.. and on top of that it swung upward too fast, i would have made it through the 5.5-6.0 range in just a few short days and im shooting for it to take 2 week. So to combat that i put a new bottle on top the cooler with 6.0pH adjusted water in it. I want to swing between 6.0 and 5.5 anyway, so i figure if im going to be swinging upward having the res refiller at the top end of the pH range i want is best. I don't see how i could go higher then 6.0 now and i should get to 6.0 (from 5.5) slower.
pic's of levels just for the proverbial record...
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Hey dude,
'No Mate, That can't be correct. One hell of a lot of elements are gonna be locked out at such a P.H Aero or not.
Nutrients/Chemical Fertilisers are designed for hydroponic applications-Aero' Included. I aint never seen one that recommends such a crazy P.H.
Yeah no doubt about it you would get yourself into trouble, pretty rapidly i would of thought!! I Hope my comments Help-Out.
'Peace'..............Scrogerman'
ya im not doing that,.. no offense Texicannibus,.. but from what i read in the sick plant guide on this site i gotta agree with scogerman, that would be out of range and nor there or anywhere have i seen different levels for specifically aero, aero and hydro are the same thing as far as that's concerned,..
i just read on another sick plant thread that calcium deficiency can show as twisted deformed leaves,.. i have a few of them, saw them a week ago, before the spots showed up, but i stupedly thought it was just bad genes and wasn't worried about them till i read what i read today,.. man look at the time,.. ive spend all day online reading about mj, lol ..anywho i added some cal mag,.. cuz i think i got overly scared about nute burn and diluted my mix too much to prevent it when in fact i now really think the spots are later stage cal deficiency,.. should have just stuck with the instructions on the back of the bottle and not been scared about the 600ppm level..
i just read on another sick plant thread that calcium deficiency can show as twisted deformed leaves,.. i have a few of them, saw them a week ago, before the spots showed up, but i stupedly thought it was just bad genes and wasn't worried about them till i read what i read today,.. man look at the time,.. ive spend all day online reading about mj, lol ..anywho i added some cal mag,.. cuz i think i got overly scared about nute burn and diluted my mix too much to prevent it when in fact i now really think the spots are later stage cal deficiency,.. should have just stuck with the instructions on the back of the bottle and not been scared about the 600ppm level..
My bad tried to be clear I wasnt for sure and I guess was more or less a poor attempt at a bump. Good luck with your grow.
Hey Buddy,
Have a think about a Calcium foliar application. Ca is not well transported through the roots or the plant. There are some good quality ones(Ca foliar sprays) on the market. Adding extra Ca or Mg to your Res to correct these problems can cause an imbalance in the solution and lock out other elements too. Using a Ca Foliar app' you cut out this possibility. Hope this helps, 'Beddy bye's-G-night people.
Peace...........Scrogerman
Have a think about a Calcium foliar application. Ca is not well transported through the roots or the plant. There are some good quality ones(Ca foliar sprays) on the market. Adding extra Ca or Mg to your Res to correct these problems can cause an imbalance in the solution and lock out other elements too. Using a Ca Foliar app' you cut out this possibility. Hope this helps, 'Beddy bye's-G-night people.
Peace...........Scrogerman
some updated pics,.. obviously im having some issues, not sure what the problem is, adding more cal/mag didn't seem to help so i just poured my res down the drain and mixed a new one because im thinking too many adjustments wasnt good for the last,.. this time with tap water not RO water, that i let sit for 24 hours first. Things were kind of gunky in there anyway so hopefully this will fix things up.. ppms now are around 95o because the tap water here was 450+,.. i read ur suppose to add nutes as the bottle says reguardless of tap starting ppm so i did.
Pics for posterity and to compare to in a few days to see if things have gotten worse or stopped getting worse hopefully,.. any thoughts or advice appreciated.
Pics for posterity and to compare to in a few days to see if things have gotten worse or stopped getting worse hopefully,.. any thoughts or advice appreciated.
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some more pics....
Oh btw, tossed 4 males and rearranged the remaining 9,.. 4 out of 13,.. im sure they'll be more males but i cant sex the rest yet,.. might seem too early to sex at all but these auto flowers show there balls and hairs real fast
Oh btw, tossed 4 males and rearranged the remaining 9,.. 4 out of 13,.. im sure they'll be more males but i cant sex the rest yet,.. might seem too early to sex at all but these auto flowers show there balls and hairs real fast
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Hey DIYer,
We can safely say it aint a Mg def anyway. What Nutes are you using dude? Did you Flush ya pots out before you filled ya Res?(just a thought) Are you using a hard water nute formula?, as you should be, that base rate ppm-(H2O) is indicating that (ime), and i would certainly be using hard water nutes if i were you anyway. Nute bottle instructions usually tell you/indicate the full strenght of that particular solution - ie: 40mls per 10 litres, that is 'Canna's' for instance. As you probably know that mix is for fully mature plants, I personally never go to full strenght-ever.. Thats my bag-D.W.C, right? These systems require only a week feed regime usually, Personally i never go over 1000ppm's, we are in soft water too-(very clean) I always start on around 250-300 and gradually build it up as they grow, you probably know all this anyway-just checking dude!! Do you ever use Hydrogen Peroxide, if you dont it is worth looking into believe me. What are the Temps in ya res,hope you havent already mentioned it, sorry if so.
Anyway i hope i have helped if any.
Good Luck........................................Scrogerman'
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some updated pics,.. obviously im having some issues, not sure what the problem is, adding more cal/mag didn't seem to help so i just poured my res down the drain and mixed a new one because im thinking too many adjustments wasnt good for the last,.. this time with tap water not RO water, that i let sit for 24 hours first. Things were kind of gunky in there anyway so hopefully this will fix things up.. ppms now are around 95o because the tap water here was 450+,.. i read ur suppose to add nutes as the bottle says reguardless of tap starting ppm so i did.
Pics for posterity and to compare to in a few days to see if things have gotten worse or stopped getting worse hopefully,.. any thoughts or advice appreciated.
Hey DIYer,
We can safely say it aint a Mg def anyway. What Nutes are you using dude? Did you Flush ya pots out before you filled ya Res?(just a thought) Are you using a hard water nute formula?, as you should be, that base rate ppm-(H2O) is indicating that (ime), and i would certainly be using hard water nutes if i were you anyway. Nute bottle instructions usually tell you/indicate the full strenght of that particular solution - ie: 40mls per 10 litres, that is 'Canna's' for instance. As you probably know that mix is for fully mature plants, I personally never go to full strenght-ever.. Thats my bag-D.W.C, right? These systems require only a week feed regime usually, Personally i never go over 1000ppm's, we are in soft water too-(very clean) I always start on around 250-300 and gradually build it up as they grow, you probably know all this anyway-just checking dude!! Do you ever use Hydrogen Peroxide, if you dont it is worth looking into believe me. What are the Temps in ya res,hope you havent already mentioned it, sorry if so.
Anyway i hope i have helped if any.
Good Luck.......................... ..............Scrogerman'
some updated pics,.. obviously im having some issues, not sure what the problem is, adding more cal/mag didn't seem to help so i just poured my res down the drain and mixed a new one because im thinking too many adjustments wasnt good for the last,.. this time with tap water not RO water, that i let sit for 24 hours first. Things were kind of gunky in there anyway so hopefully this will fix things up.. ppms now are around 95o because the tap water here was 450+,.. i read ur suppose to add nutes as the bottle says reguardless of tap starting ppm so i did.
Pics for posterity and to compare to in a few days to see if things have gotten worse or stopped getting worse hopefully,.. any thoughts or advice appreciated.
Hey DIYer,
We can safely say it aint a Mg def anyway. What Nutes are you using dude? Did you Flush ya pots out before you filled ya Res?(just a thought) Are you using a hard water nute formula?, as you should be, that base rate ppm-(H2O) is indicating that (ime), and i would certainly be using hard water nutes if i were you anyway. Nute bottle instructions usually tell you/indicate the full strenght of that particular solution - ie: 40mls per 10 litres, that is 'Canna's' for instance. As you probably know that mix is for fully mature plants, I personally never go to full strenght-ever.. Thats my bag-D.W.C, right? These systems require only a week feed regime usually, Personally i never go over 1000ppm's, we are in soft water too-(very clean) I always start on around 250-300 and gradually build it up as they grow, you probably know all this anyway-just checking dude!! Do you ever use Hydrogen Peroxide, if you dont it is worth looking into believe me. What are the Temps in ya res,hope you havent already mentioned it, sorry if so.
Anyway i hope i have helped if any.
Good Luck.......................... ..............Scrogerman'
Hey DIYer,
We can safely say it aint a Mg def anyway. What Nutes are you using dude? Did you Flush ya pots out before you filled ya Res?(just a thought) Are you using a hard water nute formula?, as you should be, that base rate ppm-(H2O) is indicating that (ime), and i would certainly be using hard water nutes if i were you anyway. Nute bottle instructions usually tell you/indicate the full strenght of that particular solution - ie: 40mls per 10 litres, that is 'Canna's' for instance. As you probably know that mix is for fully mature plants, I personally never go to full strenght-ever.. Thats my bag-D.W.C, right? These systems require only a week feed regime usually, Personally i never go over 1000ppm's, we are in soft water too-(very clean) I always start on around 250-300 and gradually build it up as they grow, you probably know all this anyway-just checking dude!! Do you ever use Hydrogen Peroxide, if you dont it is worth looking into believe me. What are the Temps in ya res,hope you havent already mentioned it, sorry if so.
Anyway i hope i have helped if any.
Good Luck........................................Scrogerman'
After reading over the sick plant guide (and this time further down it) for the 100th time ive come to the conclusion the problem must have been pH.
Here is a quote from it that sold me:
One of the first signs of having a slight ph problem is, your plant having part of the leaves kind of twisty, spotty with brown, yellowish, red spots within each other.
Sometimes they don’t have to have all the colors, they could just be spots that have yellowish brown, or just reddish brown and can happen anywhere on the plant. Mainly starts on big fan leaves then goes to little leaves.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688
I don't know if the nutes im using are a "hard water nute formula" but below is a pic of the back of the bottle so you can see what i see, and what type of nutes im using,.. Pure Blend. As of now im following exactly what it tells me for 'mid size veg' and like i said im running around 950ppm and water was around 475ppm to start. I've been eyeballing them and they don't seem to be getting any worse.
I was thinking of switching nutes because i don't like how these don't seem to disolve very well. It's been 24 hours since i drained/cleaned my res and added new nutes, and there are still clumps sliming around,.. also some of the roots are really dirty looking now, more so right where the sprayers are too. I don't really know what's normal as ive only ever used 2 different types of nutes but i dont remember having this problem with the other type.
As for h202 i added some 3% reg drug store h202 yesterday, prob more then most people would too, i found a site that said 1/2 cup per gallon and went with it, then read a lot of other sites all saying less then that, knock on wood it doesn't seem to be causing a problem.
Oh and temps in my aero system are fine,.. pushing the high range of acceptable but nothing too high, roots looked fine till they got so dirty from adding new nutes. pH is holding steady at 5.77 and seems to be slowly climbing. Hopefully i get a nice slow movement.
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Mist
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Are the autoflowerers showing sex already? I know they go into flower fast, but those are barely out of the shoot. I would like to see a closeup of male flowers on one of them if you don't mind.
As for your "issues" if looks like the newer leaves are fine and you got it smoothed out. I haven't used PB nutrients before, but I know many people like them. There are just sooooo many brands out there and they all work well for different people and their particular style of growing. You may need to try some others to find what works best for your setup. I would worry less about ppm's and work from the recommended amount per gallon till you get a handle on what the plants want. Every strain is different and ppm's don't mean a thing to the plant.
As for staining of the roots, get used to it. There are only a couple brands of nutes I have run across over the years that don't discolor the roots to some extent.
Happy Growing.
As for your "issues" if looks like the newer leaves are fine and you got it smoothed out. I haven't used PB nutrients before, but I know many people like them. There are just sooooo many brands out there and they all work well for different people and their particular style of growing. You may need to try some others to find what works best for your setup. I would worry less about ppm's and work from the recommended amount per gallon till you get a handle on what the plants want. Every strain is different and ppm's don't mean a thing to the plant.
As for staining of the roots, get used to it. There are only a couple brands of nutes I have run across over the years that don't discolor the roots to some extent.
Happy Growing.
well my camera don't fit down the toilet so i cant show you pictures of the balls on the plants i flushed...
...but here's a close up of the one female im sure of.
Yes, they show sex ricockulously early, and thus why i get the males gone fast. I don't want no sexy sexy happening, then im smoking seeds ya know
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Mist
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Ok, I see now that they do show when they are just tiny. I have never had any issues with getting the males out when they show, but I can see where it would be nice to know earlier and not waste time and nutrients on growing them longer. Auto flowerers are not for me though. I need strains that I can grow as big as I want before they start flowering.
Ya id prefer other strains too, but i gave these a go since ive only got a few short month window to grow in.
Below are some pictures of my fab 5 from my previous moonshine man mix grow. Same autoflower blueberry strain as in the aero. They've been living off straight water and a few hours a day of natural sunlight. There oh so close to harvest time!
Below are some pictures of my fab 5 from my previous moonshine man mix grow. Same autoflower blueberry strain as in the aero. They've been living off straight water and a few hours a day of natural sunlight. There oh so close to harvest time!
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CovertCrops
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Lookin good bro. I have used the pure blend pro on a few grows, you said you were using it at 15ml per gallon right? I would try backing that down to @ 10 ml/gal with your tap water, looks like they are burning a bit. If your using RO ( which I think you said you had) try 10 ml/gal pbp and 2 - 2.5 ml/gal calmag. There is no media to buffer the nutesnin aero so I would mix your nutes on the light side, you can always add more.
To stop the gunk from growing in your rez you will need to paint the top black. I use those tubs for my Rez except mine sit under the table. The yellow top doesn't keep the light out on its own.
Good luck on your grow.
To stop the gunk from growing in your rez you will need to paint the top black. I use those tubs for my Rez except mine sit under the table. The yellow top doesn't keep the light out on its own.
Good luck on your grow.
