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Well there are only two major phenos of Malawi, as I recall from "Strainhunters". One is woody and the other is pineapple. I would imagine that both could be very interesting and I'm sure they would both endure. They will always be there in Malawi, I'm sure. I'm not interested in crossing them at all. If I did, I would still preserve the pure strain, along side the other. I get what you mean, though. They never work them in Malawi. I think they just stand around and watch and the plants drop their own seeds and it goes on and on this way. That is interesting that M-Jim didn't like the cob!
I wouldn't necessarily assume because "Strainhunters" found only 2 pheno's of Malawi that thats all there is......I collected my own Malawi seeds from cobs,bricks and farmers in '92 and I didn't get my best finds from the same kinda farmers or area that Arjan did(not even close...lol). The plants in thier video don't look half as good as many I saw in Malawi in the 90's or grew at home.The best weed rarely comes from White-run,black-worked big field farms like they visited in Malawi but from Family plots of 25-100 plants further up the hill's. They are 'GloryHunters' and weren't there long enough to really Hunt the best properly.....Its a kinda wild country and takes a while to gain trust.
IMO The predominant smell in good Malawi is much more distinctive than simply 'woody or 'pineapple' although a sort of over-ripe more rancid fruity smell is deffo present in many Malawi progeny. But Pineapple is a little misleading as other strains really do smell like Pineapples and Malawi don't really in comparison IMHO,there are more citrusy and Spicey smelling individuals as well.
I kept 6 types from all the Malawi I collected and all the good ones were mostly from Individual farmers or local village scores not the Comm 'blocks' and 'Cobs' that are everywhere in Southern Africa,The best of those 6 was from 'Cobs' but from seeds bought from a little farmers next year selected seedcrop(From same lines his family have always grown and BTW some better farmers Do select for next yr seed,not Just let seeds drop,they are somewhat smarter than you obviously have been led to believe!),his stuff was quite uniform and totally vigorous and hermie free. I spent a month there and lots more months in SA,Lesotho,Transkei etc and I reckon the definitive Malawi smell is the most pungent,sweet but almost inorganic smelling(almost like furniture polish) of Sativa's from Southern Africa. I love her to bits but TranskeiLimeGreens was best I found in SA overall.....And Real DurbanPoison is the Shit also but much rarer than Malawi nowadays,in the same quality as back then.
Strainhunters were right that the best Malawi is still around if u can be bothered...I'm just not convinced they actually found 'it' til they release pure 'MalawiGold' so I can try it,but they will probably release 'ArjansSuperMalawiLemonGoldHaze' instead anyhoo.
'Woody' my ass!!! lol ;]
Luck'n'Lumens JBo
IMO The predominant smell in good Malawi is much more distinctive than simply 'woody or 'pineapple' although a sort of over-ripe more rancid fruity smell is deffo present in many Malawi progeny. But Pineapple is a little misleading as other strains really do smell like Pineapples and Malawi don't really in comparison IMHO,there are more citrusy and Spicey smelling individuals as well.
I kept 6 types from all the Malawi I collected and all the good ones were mostly from Individual farmers or local village scores not the Comm 'blocks' and 'Cobs' that are everywhere in Southern Africa,The best of those 6 was from 'Cobs' but from seeds bought from a little farmers next year selected seedcrop(From same lines his family have always grown and BTW some better farmers Do select for next yr seed,not Just let seeds drop,they are somewhat smarter than you obviously have been led to believe!),his stuff was quite uniform and totally vigorous and hermie free. I spent a month there and lots more months in SA,Lesotho,Transkei etc and I reckon the definitive Malawi smell is the most pungent,sweet but almost inorganic smelling(almost like furniture polish) of Sativa's from Southern Africa. I love her to bits but TranskeiLimeGreens was best I found in SA overall.....And Real DurbanPoison is the Shit also but much rarer than Malawi nowadays,in the same quality as back then.
Strainhunters were right that the best Malawi is still around if u can be bothered...I'm just not convinced they actually found 'it' til they release pure 'MalawiGold' so I can try it,but they will probably release 'ArjansSuperMalawiLemonGoldHaze' instead anyhoo.
'Woody' my ass!!! lol ;]
Luck'n'Lumens JBo
Thank you soooo much for that bit! ..any input on soil conditions there.? Someone who had been there told me 5.5-6 ph . And what do you think about how to get as much THCV as possible from MG?
We are changing,we have got to change,and we can no more help it,
than leaves can help going yellow and falling in autumn.
It is possible to HATE The Tree...But LOVE The Fruit
A little warms the Heart,
But too much burns the Soul....
BTW,..I was priveliged to see Jimi Hendrix's last show, right before he went to England in 1970. Before he left the stage he said that he'd come back to Dallas when the leaves turned yellow.
We are changing,we have got to change,and we can no more help it,
than leaves can help going yellow and falling in autumn.
It is possible to HATE The Tree...But LOVE The Fruit
A little warms the Heart,
But too much burns the Soul....
BTW,..I was priveliged to see Jimi Hendrix's last show, right before he went to England in 1970. Before he left the stage he said that he'd come back to Dallas when the leaves turned yellow.
Hard to totally generalise but better higher altitude Malawi crops are generally in Poor quality but well draining soil,with lots of small rocks and stones(silica may help),sandy or at least grainy and not much clay.
Its certainly one of the few cash crops that can grow in these areas and conditions hence many who don't smoke there still grow it. Malawi is quite hardy and used to bad soil and nute situations generally.
Low PH in general probably but hard to pinpoint that easily(keep it a few under 6 and raise if deficiencies appear(had Mg issues with some girls). Your PH shouldn't be same all the time anyhoo its better to follow what they ask for regularly than try to find Magic Numbers for PH and CF etc.Plants cant read meters last time I checked lol...
The best grower I met there used a pretty normal smelling compost for feed that was old Mulch and some animal shit with some Chalk if I remember rightly. He didn't plant into very deeply dug holes just a few feet as lower ground was very hard but well draining. He had tried some chem powder ferts once but not successful so he just kept it oldskool but was a very caring, attentive grower and extremely proud of his crop....
As for THCV Its pretty inherent in Malawi whenever u pick it but no doubt more prominent when picked early....Personally I like it picked a little late but it seems to still be present even then IMO. I can't test it though so just my speculations....I would listen to Sam in Full on the subject of THCV as not many others experience in this field. Hope it helps? JBo a U.K.Dagga Lover
PS Jimmy was a God man, and damn funny ;]
Its certainly one of the few cash crops that can grow in these areas and conditions hence many who don't smoke there still grow it. Malawi is quite hardy and used to bad soil and nute situations generally.
Low PH in general probably but hard to pinpoint that easily(keep it a few under 6 and raise if deficiencies appear(had Mg issues with some girls). Your PH shouldn't be same all the time anyhoo its better to follow what they ask for regularly than try to find Magic Numbers for PH and CF etc.Plants cant read meters last time I checked lol...
The best grower I met there used a pretty normal smelling compost for feed that was old Mulch and some animal shit with some Chalk if I remember rightly. He didn't plant into very deeply dug holes just a few feet as lower ground was very hard but well draining. He had tried some chem powder ferts once but not successful so he just kept it oldskool but was a very caring, attentive grower and extremely proud of his crop....
As for THCV Its pretty inherent in Malawi whenever u pick it but no doubt more prominent when picked early....Personally I like it picked a little late but it seems to still be present even then IMO. I can't test it though so just my speculations....I would listen to Sam in Full on the subject of THCV as not many others experience in this field. Hope it helps? JBo a U.K.Dagga Lover
PS Jimmy was a God man, and damn funny ;]
The grower I mention died in 96 but was named Dunghe but was called 'HighMan' by the others as his crop was in the highest plots with the worst soil.....but he totally Smashed all the other locals with his bud(He was the only African Black grower I met who fed only water for most of flower,cured his buds greenish and trimmed really well his best colas to show people). He was an amazing guy and I think he would be glad that a little of his story was out there in the wide world of Cannabis.
I won't advertise where I think the best weed is now in Malawi but if anyone gets off their butt and goes to the country I will gladly tell you PRIVATELY exactly where I beleive you should go once there.... JBo ;]
I won't advertise where I think the best weed is now in Malawi but if anyone gets off their butt and goes to the country I will gladly tell you PRIVATELY exactly where I beleive you should go once there.... JBo ;]
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Thanks for your perspective
Thanks for your perspective
Hey Londinium
Thanks for this cultural background in these 2 posts...virtually invaluable, first-hand information....
Jimmy seemed like a kindred soul...I just disagreed with him...he meant well with the Malawi appellation to protect the farmers...but unenforceable and not realistic imho
Thanks for your perspective
Hey Londinium
Thanks for this cultural background in these 2 posts...virtually invaluable, first-hand information....
Jimmy seemed like a kindred soul...I just disagreed with him...he meant well with the Malawi appellation to protect the farmers...but unenforceable and not realistic imho
ha ha, ..wait a minute.. I feel like we just merged Hendrix with Malawi Jim....
Fantastic info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What does the yellow sentence, next to the skunk say?
Any idea how 60 degrees, or similar cooling off at night effects them outdoors. Maybe Dunghe's spot was like that. I have a 20 degree drop at night, from daytime with a slight ocean breeze from the south, on a hill. I'm thinking about putting up a greenhouse to keep 3 of them warm at night, ...see how that effects three of them and leave the rest outside the greenhouse. I'm really just after the THCV more than anything. ...I love respecting a landrace of any kind. ...going to follow your advice.
...with your inside tour there and keen observation, you hold the Malawi protocol knowledge! Thanks for sharing it!!!!!!
I asked Sam about how to get more THCV and he never replied. I don't think that it is anything that most people ever get interested in...
Fantastic info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What does the yellow sentence, next to the skunk say?
Any idea how 60 degrees, or similar cooling off at night effects them outdoors. Maybe Dunghe's spot was like that. I have a 20 degree drop at night, from daytime with a slight ocean breeze from the south, on a hill. I'm thinking about putting up a greenhouse to keep 3 of them warm at night, ...see how that effects three of them and leave the rest outside the greenhouse. I'm really just after the THCV more than anything. ...I love respecting a landrace of any kind. ...going to follow your advice.
...with your inside tour there and keen observation, you hold the Malawi protocol knowledge! Thanks for sharing it!!!!!!
I asked Sam about how to get more THCV and he never replied. I don't think that it is anything that most people ever get interested in...
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spliphy
yeah, a Dagga legend named
yeah, a Dagga legend named
a representation of all the other unnamed legends of Dagga
Hey JBo, hope you are well,
Africa has been a basket-case economically, politically, and socially for much too long...it will take much longer too before the region is stabilized culturally....all of these factors, I believe, have hindered development of distinct cultivars which are consistent and established.
BTW Malawi is tropical...10 degrees s. of the Equator or so....I would agree (without personal travel) that good examples of Malawi are to be found widely...after all, the cobs are a recognized commercial product that would go unsold if their reputation fell too far.
Be safe on your trip and happy hunting....SA, I heard is quite sketchy traveling in some parts....have considered traveling to Malawi myself with maybe a couple of nephews when funds allow...a bit "long in the tooth" for any solo adventure travel...no way the wife would go on a safari
If you go...a trip report or travelogue would encourage many more travelers to this region and, hopefully, preservation of cannabis "traits"
yeah, a Dagga legend named
a representation of all the other unnamed legends of Dagga
Hey JBo, hope you are well,
Africa has been a basket-case economically, politically, and socially for much too long...it will take much longer too before the region is stabilized culturally....all of these factors, I believe, have hindered development of distinct cultivars which are consistent and established.
BTW Malawi is tropical...10 degrees s. of the Equator or so....I would agree (without personal travel) that good examples of Malawi are to be found widely...after all, the cobs are a recognized commercial product that would go unsold if their reputation fell too far.
Be safe on your trip and happy hunting....SA, I heard is quite sketchy traveling in some parts....have considered traveling to Malawi myself with maybe a couple of nephews when funds allow...a bit "long in the tooth" for any solo adventure travel...no way the wife would go on a safari
If you go...a trip report or travelogue would encourage many more travelers to this region and, hopefully, preservation of cannabis "traits"
the best malawi gold out there is indeed Afropips, hands down.
although the phenos I found all smelled fruity, almost like bubble gum with a hint of citrus.
I lost the pure seed line though sadly, due to the pressures of prohibition; but at least managed to make a hybrid.
also have his swazi red, but I managed to reproduce those from 2 moms and 2 dads.
k+ Londinium
much peace
although the phenos I found all smelled fruity, almost like bubble gum with a hint of citrus.
I lost the pure seed line though sadly, due to the pressures of prohibition; but at least managed to make a hybrid.
also have his swazi red, but I managed to reproduce those from 2 moms and 2 dads.
k+ Londinium
much peace
Yeah a JIM mixup there ha ha! Both cool guys tho' lol.
The Yellow Says SMOKE LESS...BUT SMOKE BETTER(QUALITY).
Re; the cool nights ...Yeah there was deffo a big temp drop in the higher spots in Malawi so I think you might be on the right track there.
Some experimentation is deffo in order so.....some inside and some outside is your best bet I agree.
Are you planning on any kind of testing for its THCV content or just gonna test by smoking and judge from there?
My other general observations of all the good Malawi I have grown is that it usually has no serrations at the tip of each leaf blade and it has quite big calyxes and good amount of 'busy' Trichomes.Seeds are a little mottled and quite large and flat for a Sativa IMO.
It loves to be LSTed or Bent to get a few more budsites in the best light once it is showing some flowers.
I think some research into light-cycles in Malawi would help,I believe if you use Supp lighting or shading to get the right daylight hours you would get a better THCV production.....You could try treating one plant to some lightcycle manipulation if possible...Just a thought....I think malawi is close on the 15th parralel as are some other places with high THCV Cannabis. That would mean you get say about 11 hours darkness on 1st July,11.15 hrs on 1st Aug,11.35 hrs on1st Sept and 12.25 hrs dark on Ist Nov.Dunno if thats a help at all. Houres of darkness is probably the main reason we have such a variety of the same plant all over the world and is deffo a big effect on chemicals produced by the plant IMHO.
Luck and Lumens JBo ;]
The Yellow Says SMOKE LESS...BUT SMOKE BETTER(QUALITY).
Re; the cool nights ...Yeah there was deffo a big temp drop in the higher spots in Malawi so I think you might be on the right track there.
Some experimentation is deffo in order so.....some inside and some outside is your best bet I agree.
Are you planning on any kind of testing for its THCV content or just gonna test by smoking and judge from there?
My other general observations of all the good Malawi I have grown is that it usually has no serrations at the tip of each leaf blade and it has quite big calyxes and good amount of 'busy' Trichomes.Seeds are a little mottled and quite large and flat for a Sativa IMO.
It loves to be LSTed or Bent to get a few more budsites in the best light once it is showing some flowers.
I think some research into light-cycles in Malawi would help,I believe if you use Supp lighting or shading to get the right daylight hours you would get a better THCV production.....You could try treating one plant to some lightcycle manipulation if possible...Just a thought....I think malawi is close on the 15th parralel as are some other places with high THCV Cannabis. That would mean you get say about 11 hours darkness on 1st July,11.15 hrs on 1st Aug,11.35 hrs on1st Sept and 12.25 hrs dark on Ist Nov.Dunno if thats a help at all. Houres of darkness is probably the main reason we have such a variety of the same plant all over the world and is deffo a big effect on chemicals produced by the plant IMHO.
Luck and Lumens JBo ;]
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thanks for the report
thanks for the report
good information....produced seeds of "African Seeds" version with "Afropips" since I had the "African" seeds before I got Jim's line...
also produced a SSH X African Seeds Malawi Gold (only male I had at the time)...this cross has produced a trial plant that is SSH dominant in structure...don't know how it will smoke yet though...was planning to offer the seed to the "server fund" if it is decent enough
thanks for the report
good information....produced seeds of "African Seeds" version with "Afropips" since I had the "African" seeds before I got Jim's line...
also produced a SSH X African Seeds Malawi Gold (only male I had at the time)...this cross has produced a trial plant that is SSH dominant in structure...don't know how it will smoke yet though...was planning to offer the seed to the "server fund" if it is decent enough
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Hola Paz!
You also grew the african seeds one? How do they compare?
Sliphy, are you saying you crossed the afropips MG to a africanseeds MG? Was there are big difference in flowering time between them?
As I said earlier, I'll try the seedsman MG, aka African buzz and might try doing such a cross if find a good mother plant.
good evening ladies and gents,
hola Thule! good reading you
to be honest, I never grew the African Seeds version of malawi gold myself; but a local buddy grew some and I got to try the herb. this was about 5 years ago more or less; he told me where he had gotten his african seeds from, so I went to the site to buy other african lines, like the ethiopian they adverstised; but was never able to get the beans from them, it was right when they closed down; so instead I ended up getting Afropips gear... to make a long story short, the resulting buds from the Afropips version were superior to the African Seeds.
I don't find the strain as psychedelic and strong as some people describe it though.
also, the hybrid I made with the malawi grows a lot more vigorous and with very strong high. same with the swazi red, it seems that whatever you cross those two with, the result is always great.
much peace
hola Thule! good reading you
to be honest, I never grew the African Seeds version of malawi gold myself; but a local buddy grew some and I got to try the herb. this was about 5 years ago more or less; he told me where he had gotten his african seeds from, so I went to the site to buy other african lines, like the ethiopian they adverstised; but was never able to get the beans from them, it was right when they closed down; so instead I ended up getting Afropips gear... to make a long story short, the resulting buds from the Afropips version were superior to the African Seeds.
I don't find the strain as psychedelic and strong as some people describe it though.
also, the hybrid I made with the malawi grows a lot more vigorous and with very strong high. same with the swazi red, it seems that whatever you cross those two with, the result is always great.
much peace
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hey Thule
hey Thule
Seedsman sounds good and I need to pick up another one of Jim's packs since they're in business....I may use Jim's variety to double the Malawi portion in an existing cross I made with the African version....this is for a later project though
all the best
hey Thule
Seedsman sounds good and I need to pick up another one of Jim's packs since they're in business....I may use Jim's variety to double the Malawi portion in an existing cross I made with the African version....this is for a later project though
all the best
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spliphy
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spliphy, I forgot to ask you something: how long do you think that ssh leaning pheno in your malawi hybrid will flower for? the malawi hybrid I made was crossed with colombian cripi, the two phenos I've found are different, one is around 80 days in flower and the other well around 110 days.
much peace
much peace
Hi Spliphy,Paz(muchos gracias),thule hope u r all good?!
Lovin all this info and views on Malawi....I hope I can get back to the Mumland next year.
Namibia firtst as I have been promised a visit to a 'garden' there with a very special inbred line 'started' in 1983 from a superb,sticky, black 'DurbanPoison',I am v.excited about this prospect.Oh yes!
Then to The Cape area to chill with city and township buddies.Then round and up the coast(mostly) via Transkei(I'm told Transkei.L.G. is not gonna be a problem still,so slightly hopeful on that one as well) and Durban with a few stops on the way.
Then I plan to go back to Malawi for a couple of weeks,taking a friend from Transkei with me and meeting a Malawian friend who visited me in London in '98 after we met there in early '90's...You gotta know some local peep's really or it is Impossible to get 'in' with growers there IME.
I wouldn't dream of doing this on my own...You must have African people with you or you get nowhere at all....But they are very friendly once u r trusted and will go out of way to help u!
Gonna hopefully go to Ghana and maybe an Island? before leaving Afrique.
Paz I agree M.Gold isn't that psychadelic,I think good Durban is/was tho' and the TLG as well...thats why they are my fave's from southern africa.I do love the high from Malawi buds,but its not that spacey compared to the others mentioned.
The hybrids you and spliphy mention sound great tho' mmmmmh!
Luck y Lumens JBo ;]
Lovin all this info and views on Malawi....I hope I can get back to the Mumland next year.
Namibia firtst as I have been promised a visit to a 'garden' there with a very special inbred line 'started' in 1983 from a superb,sticky, black 'DurbanPoison',I am v.excited about this prospect.Oh yes!
Then to The Cape area to chill with city and township buddies.Then round and up the coast(mostly) via Transkei(I'm told Transkei.L.G. is not gonna be a problem still,so slightly hopeful on that one as well) and Durban with a few stops on the way.
Then I plan to go back to Malawi for a couple of weeks,taking a friend from Transkei with me and meeting a Malawian friend who visited me in London in '98 after we met there in early '90's...You gotta know some local peep's really or it is Impossible to get 'in' with growers there IME.
I wouldn't dream of doing this on my own...You must have African people with you or you get nowhere at all....But they are very friendly once u r trusted and will go out of way to help u!
Gonna hopefully go to Ghana and maybe an Island? before leaving Afrique.
Paz I agree M.Gold isn't that psychadelic,I think good Durban is/was tho' and the TLG as well...thats why they are my fave's from southern africa.I do love the high from Malawi buds,but its not that spacey compared to the others mentioned.
The hybrids you and spliphy mention sound great tho' mmmmmh!
Luck y Lumens JBo ;]
