I got to say Zen you keep going on about how growers should make killer bucks off the herb but we have the exact same herb here for 1/2 for price why is that? Well not the exact lately lol lol.. yours has been better lol lol... but you get my drift.... So there seems to be a big money grab from somthing in the US I can't say I know what but somthing.. If I were a meduser I would be pissed lol.. Your a grower it's all good for you great your on the other side of the fence. We hear that in your post if you can't see the other side then there is somthing wrong with the way your looking at shit or your making a killing off ppl and don't give a shit can't help you there bro peace out Headband707
Why is medical marijuana so expensive?
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I am not a commercial grower. Furthermore I don't say growers should make killer bucks, I do think they should be able to make a living but I think that prices should be based upon the market not Als's or Blue Dot's legislation. My point is that a grower is producing a product which they own, until they sell it at which point it becomes the property of someone else. What price they settle on is between them. I can harp about the prices I have paid just as well as anyone else but the fact is that I don't because I agreed to pay that price meaning the product was worth the cash to me. If med users want lower prices boycott clubs or find coops that sell for less. I understand being on the other end of the stick perfectly well and I don't have a problem with people thinking meds are too highly priced. I have a problem when people advocate laws or regulation to determine prices. I also have a problem with people trying to tell a grower what to do with his meds. If a grower decides to pass around a lb or an oz of his stuff for free then so be it but that is a decision that the grower makes and is not up to anyone but him.
Ok this thread has only gone in one direction and that is fighting about who is more entitled to what they want. Here is an idea; call or write your senator and petition for marijuana to become a schedule II drug so it can be studied and approved by the FDA and then insurance will cover it. Then growers can make their fortune and sick people can afford medicine. I don't mean to be rough on anyone here but can't we find a solution that benefits everyone? There are people in 37 states that don't even have the benefit of medical marijuana. Moving to schedule II could be all the difference in the world to them. Just my
It will not happen without the UN changing up--
Nonsense, the UN treaty (actually 3) is just an excuse. The US hasn't entered into a treaty since WW2 that doesn't give the US the right to change details or withdraw from the treaty at its whim.
what's with all the communists on this board who want something for nothing? if you live in Cali, you are allowed to grow 6 plants minimum. if you can't swing it, you gotta pay the piper. how many of the complainers have ever donated money to NORML? how many have written their elected leaders?
if a doctor or a lawyer wants to charge $1,000 an hour he has the right to do so. they should at least. you don't have to pay for it. blame CA politicians for not figuring this out. they've only had since 1996.
and yeah, the get rich quick people suck too. and believe me, i understand dispensary prices suck. i live and die in LA.
to answer the original post:
because more people who are legally allowed to are not growing their own. yeah it was cool and fun and convenient to be able to hit the store but paying black market prices sucks.
if only half of californias supposedly 400,000 registered patients grew it or even ten percent, the price would plummet. the market would have more supply AND less demand.
peace out.
because more people who are legally allowed to are not growing their own. yeah it was cool and fun and convenient to be able to hit the store but paying black market prices sucks.
if only half of californias supposedly 400,000 registered patients grew it or even ten percent, the price would plummet. the market would have more supply AND less demand.
peace out.
It's obvious to me that it work very differently in Canada then it does in the US for one the price of bud is way cheaper .. Got nothing to do with communisim lol lol thats funny.. Not sure why you want to pay so much for pot but hey to each his own lol peace out Headband707
Penalties in Canada are a lot lower. Seriously, when was the las time Canada sentanced someone to 20 years without parole for growing cannabis? That's happened in California this year. Christ, you Canadians screech like stuck pigs if someone actually gets sent to jail. Well, as it should be but relative to the US you guys have it easy. Seriously, there was that guy that recently got busted with an indoor 11000+ plant grow, I'm sure you saw the story. How much time is that guy going to actually serve? Maybe a 4 year sentence, with 8 months inside? That's a 20 year mandatory minimum with no parole for a first offender here in the US. Big difference in the number of people willing to take the risk, and the compensation they demand for the relative risk. The environment in Canada enables people to be able to take the risk of larger grows. Give me the right environment and I can make exponentially more profit at $50 ounce than I can even dream of in the environment that I have to deal with and ounces cost $400-500 per. It's all about economies of scale, and the risk/reward ratio.
I agree with you there bro the punishment DOES NOT fit the crime somthing is very wrong here it pisses me off that they put a guy in jail here for pot are you shitting me??? I'm hoping that we have come to a point where all this will change but we all have to be on the same page and stop fighting about it . The more we pay it forward the the better the world will become end of story. I really do feel for you guys and it is time to stop these crazy laws and get these assholes out so they don't do anymore damage .I It's not like were living it in the past or are we.
why is cannabus illegal= William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp. In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.
Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.
why is cannabus illegal= William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp. In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.
Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.
I didn't know that-- That is great news, if true!! I was under the impression that it was binding--
Peace--
JURY NULLIFICATION!
If I ever serve on a jury I will not convict ANYONE accused of NON-VIOLENT, possession, distribution, or production of ANYTHING.
I don't have the right to imprison any of my neighbors unless they harm me or the community. Possession, Distribution, Consumption, or Cultivation (Production) does not meet this threshold therefore I should never be used as a GUN to imprison my neighbor.
Peace,
PS. If the glove does not fit, YOU MUST ACQUIT!
If I ever serve on a jury I will not convict ANYONE accused of NON-VIOLENT, possession, distribution, or production of ANYTHING.
I don't have the right to imprison any of my neighbors unless they harm me or the community. Possession, Distribution, Consumption, or Cultivation (Production) does not meet this threshold therefore I should never be used as a GUN to imprison my neighbor.
Peace,
PS. If the glove does not fit, YOU MUST ACQUIT!
Thanks for allowing us to vent first of all :}
Fact is with the MMJ we as human beings have the chance to show the medical community that health care is not about profit, Yet, it is about taking care of people that are in need of pain relief, a medication that allows cancer patients to eat, etc... I find nothing wrong with people growing MMJ and making some profit! So, if we have to live under the current health care plans that only want you to die quickly unless your insured folks. Let us put our collective minds together and make MMJ affordable to all whom needed this medication please. Me and my wife could both qualify for a card today but we are finding it hard to justify the 90-100 co pay upfront plus he 90 state co-pay and then the crazy prices on some of the medication. We lived in Seattle before and were under their MMJ and yes they were expensive too but they also encouraged and did all they could to set you up with clones and the knowledge of growing your own medication. I like to think that was because they truly cared and wanted us to be as pain free as possible so that we can enjoy life as much as possible. I know in my heart people are inheritable kind care giving hearts and will do the right thing. If I have to believe otherwise I would choose not to exist on this earth. So, the prices are not set by LEO or any state regulator that I know of or are they? If so then everything I have said means nothing.
Signed by:A couple whom have had 21 back related surgeries whom need MMJ for pain but can not afford your existing prices :{
Fact is with the MMJ we as human beings have the chance to show the medical community that health care is not about profit, Yet, it is about taking care of people that are in need of pain relief, a medication that allows cancer patients to eat, etc... I find nothing wrong with people growing MMJ and making some profit! So, if we have to live under the current health care plans that only want you to die quickly unless your insured folks. Let us put our collective minds together and make MMJ affordable to all whom needed this medication please. Me and my wife could both qualify for a card today but we are finding it hard to justify the 90-100 co pay upfront plus he 90 state co-pay and then the crazy prices on some of the medication. We lived in Seattle before and were under their MMJ and yes they were expensive too but they also encouraged and did all they could to set you up with clones and the knowledge of growing your own medication. I like to think that was because they truly cared and wanted us to be as pain free as possible so that we can enjoy life as much as possible. I know in my heart people are inheritable kind care giving hearts and will do the right thing. If I have to believe otherwise I would choose not to exist on this earth. So, the prices are not set by LEO or any state regulator that I know of or are they? If so then everything I have said means nothing.
Signed by:A couple whom have had 21 back related surgeries whom need MMJ for pain but can not afford your existing prices :{
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A number of factors I'd imagine.
1. All the stoners out there aren't as committed to serving the sick and needy as you'd think. They figure they've been doing jobs they don't want to do their whole life or else selling/growing pot illegally for some time as well. So, why not make money before it becomes legalized and then it REALLY goes down in value? Let's face it. If you can make 100 grand every 2 months off a garage full of pot sold at an inflated price that would otherwise be probably less, why not?
2. The growers are still risking their asses federally to get you all your pot, so they call the prices and distributors make their premium. It's risky business. Which I think adds on to the fact that while it's illegal on a federal level they can still make more money in the right spots depending on enforcement.
3. People will pay for it because it's more convenient.
I don't live in Cali but I have a general understanding of the market and work on a legitimate produce farm so I know a little about agriculture. If you've got the good stuff and everyone likes it and is comfortable with it, they'll still pay the price as long as it's not too unreasonable. I mean, considering you can technically grow your own in private and not have to worry about buying it (albeit limited amounts), I think most people are probably pretty comfortable buying it at the set prices.
I could be wrong though. But, on the farm I'm at - story goes there were 3 other farms that sold produce all within 5 miles. Within 8 years they're all out of business and we sold produce at higher prices than they did and then knocked it down lower once people saw the quality of the produce and started coming in more. I'll bet you prices will go down overtime assuming our economy gets better.
1. All the stoners out there aren't as committed to serving the sick and needy as you'd think. They figure they've been doing jobs they don't want to do their whole life or else selling/growing pot illegally for some time as well. So, why not make money before it becomes legalized and then it REALLY goes down in value? Let's face it. If you can make 100 grand every 2 months off a garage full of pot sold at an inflated price that would otherwise be probably less, why not?
2. The growers are still risking their asses federally to get you all your pot, so they call the prices and distributors make their premium. It's risky business. Which I think adds on to the fact that while it's illegal on a federal level they can still make more money in the right spots depending on enforcement.
3. People will pay for it because it's more convenient.
I don't live in Cali but I have a general understanding of the market and work on a legitimate produce farm so I know a little about agriculture. If you've got the good stuff and everyone likes it and is comfortable with it, they'll still pay the price as long as it's not too unreasonable. I mean, considering you can technically grow your own in private and not have to worry about buying it (albeit limited amounts), I think most people are probably pretty comfortable buying it at the set prices.
I could be wrong though. But, on the farm I'm at - story goes there were 3 other farms that sold produce all within 5 miles. Within 8 years they're all out of business and we sold produce at higher prices than they did and then knocked it down lower once people saw the quality of the produce and started coming in more. I'll bet you prices will go down overtime assuming our economy gets better.
ok well that is all great so we are going to run this MMJ MEDICAL program off of greed just like the entire rest of our medical systems that is failing millions of people each day. Let me, be the first to say YIPPY SKIPPY DO* and congratulations you have created another form of corporate greed. I understand about the feds man I really do . There are corrupt LEO no matter where if town, city, county, state, and federal levels! But what I believe is we can setup a model that helps these caregivers just in case Fed LEO decides to be a dick :} But why should we the medical patients be there for you the care giver if you are only into growing and selling MJ to the medical patients for a profit.
Lastly take a look at wood stock it worked because people cared for each other for 3+ days and nights using to the best of their abilities and their hearts to do the right thing.
Once again Damn it man. As a state legal care giver / MMJ grower your risk is lower than a totally illegal grow operation so let that alone affect the prices ..... Be human and care about people not **about the bought line and some damn green ass'd paper** that if you die right now you can not take with you any way!!!
This is a Medical service folks and we are failing and I believe we can do better than the rest of the American Medical Community to help end the longer and short term suffering of PEOPLE of all colors, nationalities, and sex.
I am just learning at the age of 50 to grow my own medication and live in terrible pain each day and most of the pain I have was created by the greedy medical community I trusted!! Now you want me too trust you as a Medical care giver for me when your trying to sell me the medication I need at way more than I can afford and again will be under medicated because of MONEY???
Yet, thank you for all your hard work care givers!
But, I still feel we can do better job to give true medical care than the American Health care system in place right now and not treat MMJ as a profit driven corporation!
Jbonham
Lastly take a look at wood stock it worked because people cared for each other for 3+ days and nights using to the best of their abilities and their hearts to do the right thing.
Once again Damn it man. As a state legal care giver / MMJ grower your risk is lower than a totally illegal grow operation so let that alone affect the prices ..... Be human and care about people not **about the bought line and some damn green ass'd paper** that if you die right now you can not take with you any way!!!
This is a Medical service folks and we are failing and I believe we can do better than the rest of the American Medical Community to help end the longer and short term suffering of PEOPLE of all colors, nationalities, and sex.
I am just learning at the age of 50 to grow my own medication and live in terrible pain each day and most of the pain I have was created by the greedy medical community I trusted!! Now you want me too trust you as a Medical care giver for me when your trying to sell me the medication I need at way more than I can afford and again will be under medicated because of MONEY???
Yet, thank you for all your hard work care givers!
But, I still feel we can do better job to give true medical care than the American Health care system in place right now and not treat MMJ as a profit driven corporation!
Jbonham
All actions have selfish motivation. The costs of running a collective with a dispensary are high considering the high overhead of the product, couple that with the substantial legal risk and you have higher prices. There are collectives that have cheaper prices but you have to look around. They also have programs to help those who don't necessarily have the money to pay for it and are in serious need of herb. Woodstock ended leaving acres and acres of trashed land covered in garbage. Capitalism is what will bring the cost of herb down, fields of 100s of acres of pot instead of 100 feet or what have you. When you grow that much your cost decreases and thus the price you ask from the dispensary should decrease and thus the price they charge should decrease.
I have been in this game for awhile and I have met many dealers ,grower some better then others. One things that happened to me personally with one of my dealers was he had a personal experience . He was always my fav. dealer and fair which was why I always went to him and trusted him but it was through his own experiences that he changed he started to do even more for medusers. We all have to have that light bulb moment in life even when we too are the growers. I can't have that moment for you.. peace out Headband707
not true. self interest plays a role in all human decisions, but not all actions are selfishly motivated.
I respectfully disagree. Helping my neighbor or a perfect stranger is "Selfish" on my part. I want to live in a universe where I would receive that same help.
Being self interested or self aware or self improving is a good thing. Understanding that trading with others helps you exponentially more than you help them makes you understand that even passing over free of $$$ is not giving but is selfish and beneficial to you.
Peace,
