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[Grat3fulh3ad]

Another funny thing? thats what they think happened, Keyword "think"! They have no idea if this is actually true or not, its all speculation

Another funny thing...
It is NOT mere speculation.
It is a logical conclusion drawn from piles of evidence.

You should really study up on all of the archaeological, sociological, and physiological evidences before you make such statements.

We know where homo sapiens evolved.
We know what environmental conditions were and what food sources were available.
We know what the nutritional requirements of the large human brain are.
We know what primitive man and pre-human hominids ate, since we have found their butchering tools and bones from food animals.
We know what different species of primates eat now, and how their diet affects their physiology.

Tell you what... read up on the subject, and come back with a fact based argument, instead of a baseless accusation of mere speculation.

 

[draco]

In my vast internet experience, just the thought of doing without meat causes some to get violent... still don't know why. It's almost like threatening their family or something...

Hey if someone told me that I couldn't eat tofu I think I'd be relieved...

Haw haw. Nobody is going to take anybody's meat away... this is not a threat. Not a threat.

 

[temunator]

im eating everything as long as it tastes good

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

In my vast internet experience, just the thought of doing without meat causes some to get violent... still don't know why. It's almost like threatening their family or something...

Hey if someone told me that I couldn't eat tofu I think I'd be relieved...

Haw haw. Nobody is going to take anybody's meat away... this is not a threat. Not a threat.

it's not that, bro...

it's defensiveness...
Blood type A vegan folk are bad to claim moral superiority, even to be puzzled as to why people would stoop so low as to eat another creature. Or claim that they are here to defend poor defenseless creatures with no voice of their own...
Type O meat dependent folk, find this sort of condescending bullshit offensive. There is just as valid a case for being an omnivore as there is for being vegan. One can eat meat without participating in the sort of worst case scenario factory farming shown in PETA propaganda flix.

I think it is great that some people want to be vegan...
I would even insist that for some people their physiology demands veganism...

Just like some people physiologically need meat in their diets to be as healthy as they could be.

As a realist and an omnivore, I have no lack of respect for vegans... I have no animosity for vegetarians... I recognize the physiological need for some people to practice veganism or vegitarianism, and respect that some are simply too empathetic to eat meat...

The opposite does not hold true...
Vegans seemingly take every opportunity to subtly degrade and insult omnivores, and have a built in resentment of them... I would even have to consider a large segment of the vegetarian population bigoted and prejudiced. Especially when they equate eating meat with prostitution cannibalism or murder.

Only thing I have problems tolerating is intolerance, and I
can't stand bigots.

 

[sparkjumper]

Eating dog is wrong you 80 year old Chinese bastards!

 

[AndreNicky]

Another funny thing...
It is NOT mere speculation.
It is a logical conclusion drawn from piles of evidence.

You should really study up on all of the archaeological, sociological, and physiological evidences before you make such statements.

We know where homo sapiens evolved.
We know what environmental conditions were and what food sources were available.
We know what the nutritional requirements of the large human brain are.
We know what primitive man and pre-human hominids ate, since we have found their butchering tools and bones from food animals.
We know what different species of primates eat now, and how their diet affects their physiology.

Tell you what... read up on the subject, and come back with a fact based argument, instead of a baseless accusation of mere speculation.

They made a conclusion based on our "supposed ancestors" from fossils that are thousands to millions years old. They don't know shit in reality. Keep telling yourself that somehow they know what happened millions of years ago, maybe it will make it true

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

They made a conclusion based on our "supposed ancestors" from fossils that are thousands to millions years old. They don't know shit in reality. Keep telling yourself that somehow they know what happened millions of years ago, maybe it will make it true

based on our genetically proven ancestors....

Like I said... you should study before commenting, lest you sound foolish...



and you keep telling yourself that something is wrong with eating meat...

maybe it'll be true...
NOT...

 

[AndreNicky]

it's not that, bro...

it's defensiveness...
Blood type A vegan folk are bad to claim moral superiority, even to be puzzled as to why people would stoop so low as to eat another creature. Or claim that they are here to defend poor defenseless creatures with no voice of their own...
Type O meat dependent folk, find this sort of condescending bullshit offensive. There is just as valid a case for being an omnivore as there is for being vegan. One can eat meat without participating in the sort of worst case scenario factory farming shown in PETA propaganda flix.

http://www.veg.ca/content/view/128/110/

 

[AndreNicky]

based on our genetically proven ancestors....

Like I said... you should study before commenting, lest you sound foolish...

Please link anything that claims these our are genetically proven ancestors, never seen this

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

http://www.veg.ca/content/view/128/110/

Yay... vegetarian propaganda...lol

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Please link anything that claims these our are genetically proven ancestors, never seen this

study, son, study... I'm not gonna do the work for you...

How far back do you think they've been able to track the Y chromosome and mitochondrial dna?
250,000 years or so... to the time when were homo sapiens developing as a species separate from other hominid species.
To a time when we have accurate archaeological evidence of the diets of some of these hominids, and know what the environment was like...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Sure, ok it is to some degree speculation... but it is 'educated speculation' based on mountains of evidence... Evidence as valid as any evidence put forth in favor of veganism...

and perhaps I should have said "genetically demonstrated" instead of proven... Proof of anything is a nearly impossible standard...

 

[AndreNicky]

study, son, study... I'm not gonna do the work for you...

You made a pretty outrageous claim, you should be able to back it up with something? An article? a excerpt? a statement? Why should i waste my time fact checking something that is most likely false?

 

[AndreNicky]

Sure, ok it is to some degree speculation... but it is 'educated speculation' based on mountains of evidence...

But its still just that, speculation. Its not a truth, its an assumption.

For all i know these scientist could all be bias because they eat meat or maybe the equipment they use doesn't actually do what they think it does or maybe the samples got contaminated.

The possibilities are endless, to claim that these are absolute facts is absolutely ridiculous

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

You made a pretty outrageous claim, you should be able to back it up with something? An article? a excerpt? a statement? Why should i waste my time fact checking something that is most likely false?

lol...

I'll put you on the right track, but there is not some paper someone has written somewhere connecting all of the dots... I am not going to cover the biology, anthropology, and archaeology necessary to provide you with all of the information needed to connect the dots... Here's some of the dots:

They can track mDNA and the y-chromasome mathematically back to the mitochondrial 'eve' and chromosomal 'adam' 250,000 years ago.

Facts about diet and digestive abilities can be determined genetically.

Homo Sapien DNA 68,000 years ago has been found.

Human ancestors were in africa, and the earliest homo sapiens in east africa.

There is archaeological evidence all over Africa of the hominid diet.

There is a wealth of information on primate diets.

The caloric consumption and fat content of the brain are known.

There is tons of information out there... You'll have to figure it all out on your own though...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

But its still just that, speculation. Its not a truth, its an assumption.

For all i know these scientist could all be bias because they eat meat or maybe the equipment they use doesn't actually do what they think it does or maybe the samples got contaminated.

The possibilities are endless, to claim that these are absolute facts is absolutely ridiculous

And for vegans to claim moral high ground is just as ridiculous as this seems to be to you...

Ignore mountains of evidence in favor of bigotry, then... I don't care what you believe, when it comes down to it... I know better... I bet you think man was created... lol...


I was a vegetarian for a couple years back in the early 90's... I was less healthy then than now... that's all the evidence I need to make my dietary choices...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

the phrase you use 'supposed ancestors' speaks volumes about your opinion.

 

[AndreNicky]

And for vegans to claim moral high ground is just as ridiculous as this seems to be to you...

Where did i ever claim moral high ground???

I bet you think man was created... lol...

Maybe i do? its just as outrageous as your claim that these scientist somehow know what happened a hundred thousand years ago...

I was a vegetarian for a couple years back in the early 90's... I was less healthy then than now... that's all the evidence I need to make my dietary choices...

I'm raw vegan and I'm in the best shape/health i've ever experienced in my whole life, that's all the evidence i need... Sounds like you tried to be a vegetarian and failed, probably due to inadequate nutrition/calorie intake

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Where did i ever claim moral high ground???

are you the only vegan making claims? are you vegan for moral reasons? health reasons only?

and you do not consider your diet "superior" to an omnivore's?

Maybe i do? its just as outrageous as your claim that these scientist somehow know what happened a hundred thousand years ago...

nope. only if you continue to ignore the mountain of evidence. faith with no evidence at all is much more outrageous than conclusions drawn on demonstrable facts. I'm done arguing with you when your faith won't allow you to accept basic facts like the evolution of man from more primitive animals.

I'm raw vegan and I'm in the best shape/health i've ever experienced in my whole life, that's all the evidence i need... Sounds like you tried to be a vegetarian and failed, probably due to inadequate nutrition/calorie intake

Nah... I did it by the book... weight loss wasn't the problem... my body was simply weaker...
Sounds like you are prejudiced.

I fully believe some people do better as vegans. but you cannot accept the converse to be true.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

however, if you are christian, then god says meat is good to eat.