Moving for Medical Cannabis

[FirstTracks]

Looking at moving within the next year to a state with friendly medical laws. I'd like to be able to grow in a little more safety if possible.

Right now, I'm looking at a couple main options

1) Norcal area:
thinking humboldt county area, south lake tahoe area, or maybe all the way down to lake county for cheaper land.

2) Outside Portland, OR.

Norcal area:

+I can grow more plants here than I could in Orgeon
-renting/buying property is more expensive
+either near great hiking or great snowsports depending on area
+possibly easier to get a rec. here


Portland area:

+know people
+relatively cheap housing
-possibly fewer jobs
-less plants/weight allowed
-possibly harder to get a rec.
+maybe near mt. hood for almost year round riding





Can I get some input?

Any advice would be appreciated as I try to figure this one out.

Any info on the job markets? Especially if in oregon, I'll need a good job. Norcal, I only need a job to get me enough to get going a little more.

thanks

 

[RockyMountainHi]

There are 13 states that have MMJ


Could your state be #14?


We need political activists to help get MMJ on the ballots across the country.


Every dingbat in the country thinks they can move to calli land and grow a "couple plants" and live the good life.

 

[Sportster]

Good jobs are pretty scarce around here in Oregon, we were one of the ~highest~ unemployment state around a couple months back, not sure where we stand today, but I know its not good!!!

 

[BIOJenn]

CO not to bad!

 

[RockyMountainHi]

CO not to bad!

Really?

Your the ONLY one that says that!


6 homes on this street in forclosure/repossession.

I got laid off in April,, not 1 interview in 4 months,,, not even a fucking phone call - so not to fuckin good would be truthful

 

[burnedout]

There are 13 states that have MMJ


Could your state be #14?


We need political activists to help get MMJ on the ballots across the country.


Every dingbat in the country thinks they can move to calli land and grow a "couple plants" and live the good life.

Definately listen to this guy. It's completely unreasonable for someone to want to move to a MMJ friendly state just so they don't spend the rest of their life in prison if, God forbid, they got caught growing an illegal plant.

 

[RockyMountainHi]

Definately listen to this guy. It's completely unreasonable for someone to want to move to a MMJ friendly state just so they don't spend the rest of their life in prison if, God forbid, they got caught growing an illegal plant.

The rest of thier life in prison? Really - That's BS and you know it. show me where.
Growing PERSONAL and any prison time is rare - even in Texass So get the story right.

Any legal hassle is still too much, but life for growing a few plants don't happen and your over exaggeration and drama really didn't tip the scale.

I'm going on the idea, he's NOT a paitent. he's a profiteer

If he clearly has the "wouldn't it be cool to grow pot and live at the beach mentality" your welcome to him and all his buddies.

Or he can call the local NORML chapter and be a leader on the home front - - yeah that is a looser huh?

Then,, there is the advantage of being in place at the change, with an active grow and a customer list - which has oppertunitiy all over it - so roll yer fookin eyes elsewhere.

 

[burnedout]

The rest of thier life in prison? Really - That's BS and you know it. show me where.
Growing PERSONAL and any prison time is rare - even in Texass So get the story right.

Any legal hassle is still too much, but life for growing a few plants don't happen and your over exaggeration and drama really didn't tip the scale.

I'm going on the idea, he's NOT a paitent. he's a profiteer

If he clearly has the "wouldn't it be cool to grow pot and live at the beach mentality" your welcome to him and all his buddies.

Or he can call the local NORML chapter and be a leader on the home front - - yeah that is a looser huh?

Then,, there is the advantage of being in place at the change, with an active grow and a customer list - which has oppertunitiy all over it - so roll yer fookin eyes elsewhere.

You make no sense. In your original post, you assume (with no evidence) that he is a commercial profiteer intending to use MMJ as a cover for illegal activity.

Then, when talking about prison sentences for marijuana offenders, you state that time served is rare for PERSONAL cultivators (which is ridiculous btw).

In your next sentence you reassume that he is indeed not a patient, but a profiteer, and outline the benefits of using MMJ as a cover for commercial activities in a newly med-friendly state.

The bottom line is marijuana is illegal in 37 states. Some have VERY harsh penalties, 10 - 15 years OR MORE for what many would consider a "small garden". And yes, life in prison for non-violent marijuana offenders is still on the books in certain states. It might be rare, but it can still happen.

If someone that grows marijuana wishes to move to a friendly state, that is their business, and they are free to do as they wish, why do you feel the need to try and dissuade them?

 

[Moldy Dreads]

There are 13 states that have MMJ


Could your state be #14?


We need political activists to help get MMJ on the ballots across the country.

Yeah, it's not that hard and can be a career move..

 

[FirstTracks]

Just wanted to start off by saying HIGH to all the contributors so far. Thanks for your opinions and ideas.

here we go..... looks like i have a few misconceptions to clean up along the way about myself.....

There are 13 states that have MMJ


Could your state be #14?


We need political activists to help get MMJ on the ballots across the country.


Every dingbat in the country thinks they can move to calli land and grow a "couple plants" and live the good life.

Hi RMH
thanks for stopping in.

glad I'm lumped into the 'dingbat' category now.....
It could be #14, but some assholes like to make sure certain stuff never gets on the table and just pretend their constituents aren't hounding them about it.

I could be an activist, but unless i was in california or oregon and all state-legal, i just wouldn't feel safe at allll reppin my cause. I've thought about it before. the whole, I'm going to start a local NORML chapter/join one, become involved, go to rallies, protests, etc.
But, one has to remember that getting your face on camera as an activist for a currently illegal drug and then having a grow at a listed address might not be the smartest idea.

If I become an activist/join norml, that's the day when I have to stop smoking/growing for a while.

guess it would be motivation to be successful.......

Good jobs are pretty scarce around here in Oregon, we were one of the ~highest~ unemployment state around a couple months back, not sure where we stand today, but I know its not good!!!

That's what I've heard. Why it's not higher on my list. I'd live at Mt. Hood if I could. I have family out there ready to give me a decent job at a place they own right in a nice place in Oregon. I like rain........so I would be trying to live on the west side of the mountains.

Thanks for checking in sportster! good to have someone who knows the area throw some advice my way.

CO not to bad!

Hi BioJenn

I'm a fan of the state for a lot of reasons. Great skiing, hiking, mountainbiking, climbing......
Have talked with friends who've lived out there for anywhere from 3 months to 10 years. Bottom line i usually get is that it's expensive but incredible and if they had the money they'd go back.

Really?

Your the ONLY one that says that!


6 homes on this street in forclosure/repossession.

I got laid off in April,, not 1 interview in 4 months,,, not even a fucking phone call - so not to fuckin good would be truthful

RMH:sorry to hear you got laid off. From my job searches, I've found a lot of places from hospitallity to sales hiring for a variety of positions across colorado. Have been looking around Boulder specifically, especially Nederland, as suggested by NOKUY.

Foreclosed homes is good news for me, means property prices going down so easier to secure a good spot. Lots of people doing owner financing/low money down financing in this economy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyMountainHi View Post
There are 13 states that have MMJ


Could your state be #14?


We need political activists to help get MMJ on the ballots across the country.


Every dingbat in the country thinks they can move to calli land and grow a "couple plants" and live the good life.

Definately listen to this guy. It's completely unreasonable for someone to want to move to a MMJ friendly state just so they don't spend the rest of their life in prison if, God forbid, they got caught growing an illegal plant.

Thanks burned out. Glad you caught the drift of my search. I just want to be somewhere to grow in relative safety. Apparently that's a weird concept for some others...........

Quote:
Originally Posted by burnedout View Post
Definately listen to this guy. It's completely unreasonable for someone to want to move to a MMJ friendly state just so they don't spend the rest of their life in prison if, God forbid, they got caught growing an illegal plant.

The rest of thier life in prison? Really - That's BS and you know it. show me where.
Growing PERSONAL and any prison time is rare - even in Texass So get the story right.

Have you been living under a rock? don't get out of colorado or med friendly states much? Not to be a dick, but you're straight up wrong about people not going away for a few plants.

Any legal hassle is still too much, but life for growing a few plants don't happen and your over exaggeration and drama really didn't tip the scale.

5 years for 1 plant isn't what I would commonly refer to as a hassle. Not to mention felonies on a record that can keep someone from getting any kind of decent job for life and prevent people from leaving the country legally.

I'm going on the idea, he's NOT a paitent. he's a profiteer

I want to move from my state to a med friendly state and you guessed I'm not a patient. I'm gonna tell you now that you're probbbbbbably correct I couldn't buy a doctor's reccomendation for Medical Cannabis if I had $1mm. But, I can tell you I'm just as qualified as a fair amount of patients in California, just in the wrong state. a profiteer? Maybe I wouldn't mind gettin rid of a few O's once in a while if the situation was right, but what I really want is just to be able to grow the best for myself and my friends and not worry about getting stuck in a concrete box so much. Not sure whats so wrong with that.

If he clearly has the "wouldn't it be cool to grow pot and live at the beach mentality" your welcome to him and all his buddies.
Pardon me for wanting to enjoy life while I have a chance...
Or he can call the local NORML chapter and be a leader on the home front - - yeah that is a looser huh?
could be a leader, but why lead if you're gonna get locked up because of it before you have a chance to do anything? I'll leave the nobility to others for now

Then,, there is the advantage of being in place at the change, with an active grow and a customer list - which has oppertunitiy all over it - so roll yer fookin eyes elsewhere.
Ok, you're a little off here. It would be great to be in a place with all that fine herb. Lots of interesting tastes in one place However, I don't see that helping me if I wanted to sell. Most I'd be doing is helpin out a buddy now and then, maybe trying to unload a bit in the fall, if the opportunity arose, just to cover some bills. I'm such a damn profiteer though....

You make no sense. In your original post, you assume (with no evidence) that he is a commercial profiteer intending to use MMJ as a cover for illegal activity.

Then, when talking about prison sentences for marijuana offenders, you state that time served is rare for PERSONAL cultivators (which is ridiculous btw).

In your next sentence you reassume that he is indeed not a patient, but a profiteer, and outline the benefits of using MMJ as a cover for commercial activities in a newly med-friendly state.

The bottom line is marijuana is illegal in 37 states. Some have VERY harsh penalties, 10 - 15 years OR MORE for what many would consider a "small garden". And yes, life in prison for non-violent marijuana offenders is still on the books in certain states. It might be rare, but it can still happen.

If someone that grows marijuana wishes to move to a friendly state, that is their business, and they are free to do as they wish, why do you feel the need to try and dissuade them?

Ah, someone who understands the dangers of assumptions and the reality of life.

Much respect burnedout

Maybe 1 more person in any of the states I mentioned would crowd them out, cause devastating environmental damage, or cause entire families not to be able to get a job. wouldn't want to cause that....

Yeah, it's not that hard and can be a career move..

First off.......Hi Moldy
hope you're stayin happy and high

were you talkin about moving as a career move or becoming a political activist?

be well


ok.......I think I got everybody. All opinions are welcome.

 

[tequila_sunrise]

First, I highly suggest you take a look at california as an opportunity. At least here in SOCAL it is pretty cool. The mentality towards pot is way different than back south! No one really cares if you smoke weed.

Hell, I was keeping it a secret for a long time for fear of represcussions at work when a co-worker openly admitted sometimes smoking weed in a department meeting! I damn near fell off my chair! I was thinking, "Did he just say that infront of the boss?!"

Anyways, I would say at least in these times, find a good job before moving to CA, its fuckin expensive out here and there is no way your gonna be able to afford to support yourself for under $45k unless you live in the ghetto or in the fucking desert...

for a run of the mill "value meal" around here, your looking at $8 maybe $9 and change for a drink, fries, and burger!

 

[zenoonez]

Jobs are hard to find in Cali too... I was hoping to move out there... job prospects aren't good.

 

[Sportster]

....That's what I've heard. Why it's not higher on my list. I'd live at Mt. Hood if I could. I have family out there ready to give me a decent job at a place they own right in a nice place in Oregon. I like rain........so I would be trying to live on the west side of the mountains.

Thanks for checking in sportster! good to have someone who knows the area throw some advice my way.

Not a problem....if ya have any more Q's about my end of the state, feel free to pm me if ya need...Good Luck!!

 

[ThisBuds4You]

This is a great thread. Thank you so much FirstTracks for starting it. I have been pondering the same idea (thinking moreso Oregon) for months and now I am trying to make it happen. Good info as always on ICMAG

TB4U

 

[Sportster]

I posted a bit more info in my area of Oregon

on this thread---> http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2821628#post2821628

 

[Hammerhead]

Oregon has a much higer ammount of usable cannabis then Ca.

Senate Bill 1085, which took effect on January 1, 2006, raises the quantity of cannabis that authorized patients may possess from seven plants (with no more than three mature) and three ounces of cannabis to six mature cannabis plants, 18 immature seedlings, and 24 ounces of usable cannabis. However, those state-qualified patients who possess cannabis in amounts exceeding the new state guidelines will no longer retain the ability to argue an "affirmative defense" of medical necessity at trial. Patients who fail to register with the state, but who possess medical cannabis in amounts compliant with state law, still retain the ability to raise an "affirmative defense" at trial.

Other amendments to Oregon's medical marijuana law redefine "mature plants" to include only those cannabis plants that are more than 12 inches in height and diameter, and establish a state-registry for those authorized to produce medical cannabis to qualified patients.

 

[gramma watt]

There are 13 states that have MMJ


Could your state be #14?


We need political activists to help get MMJ on the ballots across the country.


Every dingbat in the country thinks they can move to calli land and grow a "couple plants" and live the good life.

Tell me how in Ky...
what are the steps I need to take...

 

[RockyMountainHi]

Hi Gramma - I'll be what help I can - understand I am in Colorado

But first stop might be, NORML Kentucky here's a link
http://kynorml.org/

or

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4539&wtm_view=crop10

Ask what help they need -
Contact your state legislators -- Demand protection for MMJ paitents.

You can start there, Craigs List may be helpful, but be careful - some are not what they say.

you can also do a searck with Google or your favorite search for MMJ (Medical Marijuana) NORML (National Origanization for the Reform Of Marijuana Laws) and Kentucky - and your city/area.

Let me know if you need more help.

 

[gramma watt]

Hi Gramma - I'll be what help I can - understand I am in Colorado

But first stop might be, NORML Kentucky here's a link
http://kynorml.org/

or

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4539&wtm_view=crop10

Ask what help they need -
Contact your state legislators -- Demand protection for MMJ paitents.

You can start there, Craigs List may be helpful, but be careful - some are not what they say.

you can also do a searck with Google or your favorite search for MMJ (Medical Marijuana) NORML (National Origanization for the Reform Of Marijuana Laws) and Kentucky - and your city/area.

Let me know if you need more help.

Thanks..
It is so incredibly frustrating living this way. I want so badly to move to a legal state, but I would be so terribly homesick. Hillbilly that I am, I don't know that I could live anywhere else.
Our legislature meets in January 09 so I have a little time to bombard them..lol.
This is the procedure in ky..

Introduction and Committee Referral:

* A bill may be introduced in the House or Senate.
* Each bill is assigned a number, read by title and
sponsor, and referred to a standing committee by the Committee on Committees.

Committee Consideration:

* Committee meetings are open to the public.
* When there is sufficient interest in a subject, a public hearing is held.
* A bill may be reported out of committee with one of the following reports: favorable, favorable with amendments, favorable with committee substitute, unfavorable, or without opinion.
* A committee can kill a bill by failing to act on it.

First Reading:

* When a committee reports a bill favorably, the bill has what's called its "first reading" and is placed in the Calendar for the following day.
* If a committee reports a bill unfavorably or without opinion, the bill is not likely to progress.

Second Reading and then To Rules:

* The bill is read by title a second time and sent to the Rules Committee.
* The Rules Committee may recommit the bill or place it in Orders of the Day for a specific day.

Third Reading and Passage:

* "I move that House Bill 100 be taken from the Orders of the Day, read for the third time by title only, and placed upon its passage." This motion, usually by the majority floor leader, is adopted by voice vote, and the floor is open for debate.
* Following debate and amendments, a final vote on the bill is taken.
* To pass, a bill must be approved by at least two-fifths of the members of the chamber (40 representatives or 16 senators) and a majority of the members present and voting.
* If the bill contains an appropriation of funds or an emergency clause, it must be approved by a majority of the members elected to each house, (51 representatives and 20 senators).

What Happens Next?

* If a bill is defeated, that is the end of it, unless two members who voted against it request its reconsideration, and a majority approves.
* If a bill passes in one house, it is sent to the other chamber, where it follows much the same procedure.
* Both houses must agree on the final form of each bill.
* If either house fails to concur in amendments, the differences may be reconciled by a "conference committee" of senators and representatives.
* Compromises agreed to by this conference committee are subject to approval by both houses.

Enrollment:

* After passage by both houses, a bill is read carefully to make sure the final wording is correct.
* The bill is signed by the presiding officer of each house and sent to the Governor.

Governor's Action:

* The Governor may sign a bill, permit it to become law without signature, or veto it.
* The Governor has 10 days (excluding Sundays) to act on a bill after it is received.
* The bill may be passed over the Governor's veto by a majority of the members of both houses.

This is a problem..
http://www.mpp.org/states/kentucky/news/column.html

We have a promising candidate for guv in 2011, if he can raise the $$. The man in my avatar and sig line. He will def sign it in to law if we can get it to his desks.
Kentucky, like everywhere else, is suffering a big deficit and budget shortfall,and could greatly benefit, but I don't have much hope TBH.
hell, we have counties here that are still dry and alcohol is illegal.

Which is the best bill on the following link?
http://www.mpp.org/legislation/model-state-bill.html

Compassion Centers?
i do think regulation would make it easier to get through, and create jobs..as described in the regulated model, but where does their pay come from though? Are they essentially the "middle man"?? Jackin the caregiver's price up to cover payroll?

 

[HerbGlaze]

Can I get some input?

My advice since I live in nor-cal...
first of all its a beautiful place!
We are a liberal state for the most part.
We have some great clubs around here.
AND
you don't need a recomendation from a doctor.. well here
in Nevada County you don't.

All you need is a medical record showing you have an ailment, that can be helped by medical marijuana.

Hope this helps any other questions just PM me!