Lets have a discussion, keep it sober!!!!

[Marywanna]

"Only Americans were Hippies"

-Like they are the only ones looking at shitty tv and eating burgers and drinking Coke?? ;-)
(And having democracy )?

No,I meant the Flower Power Movement aka Hippies started in America......quit thinking so much yer hurting my brain

 

[whiterabbit9]

for some people it's only money

 

[Stoner4Life]

the OP has got to open his eyes and realize that the hippies believed in free everything, free food, free medical care, free housing (or lack thereof), etc... they lived amongst each other in a commune, the word commune mean anything to you? It's communism plain and clear. It would be the finest existence if practiced equally by one and all but that will never be, our society will always be based upon classes. paying top $ for a buzz bothers us all to some degree.......

sober up

 

[ItsAllOver]

Inflation + Prohibition = Inflated Prices Over Time.
It's not greed, man. Somebody is doing a lot of work to keep people fucking high/medicated (let's not have an argument over what cannabis is good for. It's good for everything!).
I hate hearing these "give it away" arguments for anything. It's juvenile.

All this talk about growers/sellers "exploiting" the smokers is crazy talk. What, is someone supposed to go through months/years of educating themselves and learning from mistakes, taking serious risks with their FREEDOM, and working hours on end to provide a good product and then give it away? I have not found anyone that is terribly disgruntled about a 50 dollar eighth, and that's not considering the fact that while it's illegal, there will ALWAYS be a price premium. I'd expect $30 eighths to be the norm if it were legalized, but I have done no studies to base this on. It's just what seems reasonable to me as a producer, paying attention to the price changes over time in the dispensory industry.

Now if you complain about paying $30 (or even the current reality of 50ish) for a week's worth of your "spiritual" tool, you're expecting too much. But you have to realize that we live in a reality in which our governments criminalize those who produce this plant, and there is NO reason to expect the producers to do this without compensation. The price is where it is because it makes sense. There are millions of factors (probably) that go into the pricing of cannabis. It's one of the only "free markets" that there are. That's why I love the black market. The only thing that gov't does that affects prices and production in the black market is create risk. It's actually the opposite of the "honest" businesses like fractional-reserve banking that the gov't takes the risk away from, which I find funny all the time. I love how the black market just... works! We don't need no stinkin' subsidies!

LOL @ thinking the production/transfer of goods (cannabis is one) runs on anything other than self-interested, voluntary actions with groups of people. I will not spend my life producing a good/service for someone who is not appreciative enough to realize that it's worth paying for.

I'm sorry the prices have increased since the 60s, man. I also wish we didn't have a Federal Reserve which has devalued our dollars 90%(ish) since 1913, and I also wish cannabis were legal, but those things are not true, so I just recognize the facts that makes our plant so expensive and work to change them. It's not through greed of the producers/sellers, though. I'll tell you that.

Peace out!

 

[Cookie monster]

"All this talk about growers/sellers "exploiting" the smokers is crazy talk"

Not really man....there are times over here when weed is very hard to find and during these times 1 guy i know who has a commercial set-up jacks up his prices.

It's not costing him any extra to produce during the dry spells nor is he taking any extra risk so why does he jack up the prices?...because he is exploiting the situation thats why.

 

[ItsAllOver]

I hear ya, homie, but...

I hear ya, homie, but...

First of all, that situation is an exception, not the rule, which you were implicitly making it out to be.

But really, you are working with an admittedly less scrupulous person, and since there is such a shortage, which is arguably only due to the illegality of the plant, there is no reason to apply this particular experience when discussing the industry as a whole. (since that's, I think, what we're talking about here...)

I bet that your shortage problem would largely disappear upon legalization by the gov't (don't ya love the way they do things?), and this is the cause to which you should really attribute your particular high prices.

My , Mr. Cookie!

 

[SoloGro57]

It is all about Supply and Demand

It is all about Supply and Demand

You need to take an economics class. Price is based on supply and demand.

Supplies rise, producers are left with excess goods and prices are dropped so that they arent stuck with stale goods, and to maintain cash flow

Demand rises, producers raise prices so that they can maintain stock on hand for customers, and at the same time increase profit.

If you want herb to be cheaper grow as much as you can and give it away, or change the laws that make it illegal.

In the end the consumer sets the price with his willingness to pay. You do have a choice, right?

 

[Twoshot]

Hey Stoner4Life

It could just as well be some form of Anarchism, with responsibility...
Not all hippies believed in politics and many didn't believe in proletarian revolution...
But yes, in many ways its related...

 

[Jydsk]

This thread kinda reminds me of the word "Yuppie", a mordern word derived from "Hippie".
The old carefree way of the 60-70's are gone and the hippie's wised up and became business men (yuppie), sure they kept some of their values from back then, but moved forward and became very successful in the capitalistic world with a reefer in their hand...so to speak.

 

[Twoshot]

The market price is also related to competition and lack hereof...
Also if the coustermer accepts the pricetack, theres no need to lower it!

 

[Stoner4Life]

Hey Stoner4Life

It could just as well be some form of Anarchism, with responsibility...
Not all hippies believed in politics and many didn't believe in proletarian revolution...
But yes, in many ways its related...

2shot, I didn't say their political beliefs were communism (although some were) I was alluding to the fact that the concept of free anything is as other members have mentioned to you correctly as being communistic, if something has a value (such as good bud) it will be sold traded not given away. hey, I wish it were so simple & free myself but others run the risk of hiring lawyers at least or doing time & losing everything at worst, there's a price for that & right now if you're nickel & dimin' your way through life that price is about $50-65 per 1/8th.......

 

[Twoshot]

...
(Nice one!)

 

[Stoner4Life]

...
(Nice one!)

not trying to beat you up bro, just pointing out the 'idealism' behind free 'stuff'.......
people risk a lot of $$$ to grow it, that comes with a price, go ahead and grow, keep it 100% quiet, live the paranoia if you're not a legit med grower you'll soon realize/appreciate its true worth.

 

[Twoshot]

Hey Stoner4Life

I dont say free everything, but that would be the ulitmative dream. (Utopia!)
I agree that running an illegal business, demands something in return!

The comment: Nice one! Was to Jydsk, sorry.

 

[Twoshot]

The bad thing about the illegal business. Is a lot of the money, goes to some shitty things like war and stuff... And there is little social aboudt not paying some form of tax...

(Small scale dealers selling to friends and associates is a different matter)

 

[Cookie monster]

First of all, that situation is an exception, not the rule, which you were implicitly making it out to be.

But really, you are working with an admittedly less scrupulous person, and since there is such a shortage, which is arguably only due to the illegality of the plant, there is no reason to apply this particular experience when discussing the industry as a whole. (since that's, I think, what we're talking about here...)

I bet that your shortage problem would largely disappear upon legalization by the gov't (don't ya love the way they do things?), and this is the cause to which you should really attribute your particular high prices.

My , Mr. Cookie!

If only it were an exception it's common place over here for the price of hash and imported weed to increase in times of drought.
Just to clarify 1 thing, i do not have any cannabis related dealings with this guy i think he is a scumbag for what he does.

As for the industry in general it's quite possible my views are somewhat slanted by where i live so you will have to forgive me for thinking grow shops are not much different and the same things dont go on in other countries.

I should probably explain, lets say tomorrow i need some mylar,coco,bulbs and a pack of seeds.
I can get them all in the growshops but i will pay through the nose for them compared to the prices i see when i'm lucky enough to stumble across them in hardware or craft stores.

Why is it the same things always cost more when they are sold in growshops and marketed as cannabis related products?
The only exception is seeds and thats because the shops dont get to set the prices.

True enough the root of this evil is it's illegal status but when i see mylar in a growshop chain for 10 euro per meter an the same stuff in a hobby shop for 3 euro per meter i cant pin all the blame on the government.

Well thats whats it's like over here...i hope it gets better but until it's decriminalised and more people start to grow i dont see things changing.

 

[SoloGro57]

The market price is also related to competition and lack hereof...
Also if the coustermer accepts the pricetack, theres no need to lower it!

Exactly.... a good example of competition bringing prices down would be you growing a shitload of weed and giving it away.

 

[9Lives]

If only it were an exception it's common place over here for the price of hash and imported weed to increase in times of drought.
Just to clarify 1 thing, i do not have any cannabis related dealings with this guy i think he is a scumbag for what he does.

As for the industry in general it's quite possible my views are somewhat slanted by where i live so you will have to forgive me for thinking grow shops are not much different and the same things dont go on in other countries.

I should probably explain, lets say tomorrow i need some mylar,coco,bulbs and a pack of seeds.
I can get them all in the growshops but i will pay through the nose for them compared to the prices i see when i'm lucky enough to stumble across them in hardware or craft stores.

Why is it the same things always cost more when they are sold in growshops and marketed as cannabis related products?
The only exception is seeds and thats because the shops dont get to set the prices.

True enough the root of this evil is it's illegal status but when i see mylar in a growshop chain for 10 euro per meter an the same stuff in a hobby shop for 3 euro per meter i cant pin all the blame on the government.

Well thats whats it's like over here...i hope it gets better but until it's decriminalised and more people start to grow i dont see things changing.

Well i guess you don't eat then. Trust me..I've been in retail and business for some time. And everyone in business and i do mean EVERYONE will take the maximum they think they can and i'm talking 0.01 value here. Not doing it (undercutting the market) is considered extremely stupid in all business circles. It would be a really weird and stupid considering the risk if someone in the cannabis industry would not exploit the opportunity if every legit business does.

You always have the option not to buy..and wait for the prices to come down again..

(not even mentioning the bigger macro economic fact that all the modern economies are based on keynesian nonsense pyramid schemes so you better fucking hurry and get yours lol )

 

[Cookie monster]

Well i guess you don't eat then. Trust me..I've been in retail and business for some time. And everyone in business and i do mean EVERYONE will take the maximum they think they can and i'm talking 0.01 value here. Not doing it (undercutting the market) is considered extremely stupid in all business circles. It would be a really weird and stupid considering the risk if someone in the cannabis industry would not exploit the opportunity if every legit business does.

You always have the option not to buy..and wait for the prices to come down again..

(not even mentioning the bigger macro economic fact that all the modern economies are based on keynesian nonsense pyramid schemes so you better fucking hurry and get yours lol )

Oh i eat and i know thats the way business works it still pisses me off tho.
All i can do is vote with my feet and hope more people do the same.

 

[Twoshot]

For the people taking the time to come up with more then BS, thanks!
And to the ones i misunderstood, sorry!
For the rest, may the Holy Spirit enlighten you all ;-)
Roll one more dude.

- Rebel for the hell of it, amen!