RAID at NNCC IN SAN FERNANDO VALLEY CALIFORONIA

[Babbabud]

wheres my 20k

wheres my 20k

Actually an Excel spreadsheet could be set up very easily to allow for flucuations on KWH prices, etc.

The problem IMO a lot of people have is they just calculate their cost incorrectly.

For instance, you can't include the entire rent of your house if only a bedroom or a garage is being used to grow, etc.

I've seen people on here thinking they should be compensated for all the time they have spent reading the forums learning how to grow. LOL Where does it end?

Lets not forget to add in the 20k it cost me to keep growing two years ago. The whole case was dropped..... but the 20k is part of my expenses. So put the 20k down right next to that fluctuating power cost. That should get us off to a realistic start.

 

[Zeinth]

Another Raid!!

Another Raid!!

MORE??

ALSO HIT.....

Raid @ pacoima cargivers collective by lapd
P C C got raided by lapd , patient came by and told that THE lapd raided the collactive at 3pm yesterday...

PACOIMA CAREGIVERS COLLECTIVE
10569 KEWEN AVE
PACOIMA CA 91331


there goes 3....shit..shit

 

[zenoonez]

Lets hope they all had that rainy day legal fund stocked up so they can fight the cases and cost the city millions.

 

[Moldy Dreads]

For instance, you can't include the entire rent of your house if only a bedroom or a garage is being used to grow, etc.

I've seen people on here thinking they should be compensated for all the time they have spent reading the forums learning how to grow. LOL Where does it end?

What someone thinks they should be compensated for means dick. In the end it all comes down to supply and demand. The supply side factors in issues like safety, construction cost of grow rooms, lawyer retainers, equipment, rent, insurance etc. The demand side lowers price by the growing amount of patients trading dangerous drugs for Cannabis. If it weren't for dispensaries I WOULOD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE CERTAIN STRAINS THAT WORK FOR ME> YOU ARE MISSING THE GREATER BENEFIT OF CLUBS : ACESS TO ACTUAL MEDS THAT WORK FOR MY CONDITION.
These people who never grew and don't grow, and are probably not even patients(probably Blue Dot), have an easy time sitting behind their keyboard spewing out what they "think" the Utopian price should be...get a grip dude, an economist would laugh at your stupid comments regarding pricing..

How the fuck does someone say doubling the cost of production is greedy, flat out? BD, you're making yourself look like an ass, what formula did you come up with for that stupid conclusion? Less than $100 a z? Did you guys pull that number out of?

Double is perfectly reasonable if it keeps the people producing your meds out of jail. If you don't like the prices don't go to the clubs and grow your own. Overgrow ftw.

thanks, some people have no clue about economics, risk, liabilities etc.
I hate it how Blue Dick tries to argue everything like we live in some perfect Utopia where the govt officials are mom and dad, and Cannabis users are the brat kids...your arguments with no facts or numbers are so pathetic dude, you sound like a politician..

 

[nephilthim]

i guess it's easy to be critical of everyone elses prices when your too afraid,lazy,treekiller,to grow your own so you can type and pontificate what you really want:free herb off the efforts of others.

 

[johnnyla]

No, he's saying he, and most everyone can grow for less then $100 oz so anyone making $200 an oz is doubling their money.

Not exactly reasonable compensation.

Double is not "reasonable".

cost of what? the dirt and container and water? what about everything else?

yer a fucking retard

 

[cktRAVEl]

The problem IMO a lot of people have is they just calculate their cost incorrectly.

For instance, you can't include the entire rent of your house if only a bedroom or a garage is being used to grow, etc.

I've seen people on here thinking they should be compensated for all the time they have spent reading the forums learning how to grow. LOL Where does it end?

Lawyers charge you for every billable hour possible. This includes research for your case, drinking coffee while thinking about your case, basically anytime your name crosses their mind a justifiable billable hour is born.

I say build it ALL into your price. If its too high...the market will reject you.

Any thoughts??

 

[soulfly22583]

Lawyers charge you for every billable hour possible. This includes research for your case, drinking coffee while thinking about your case, basically anytime your name crosses their mind a justifiable billable hour is born.

I say build it ALL into your price. If its too high...the market will reject you.

Any thoughts??

I think you have a point with this. Lawyers (not all, but a lot) do just that. If canna growers did that I think we would see prices actually sky rocket. Babba does have a good point about the 20k he had to invest in his op - some years your expenses are going to be higher or lower than others, that's a key fundamental of economics, fluctuation.


I would love to hear an economics person share their thoughts on the sunk costs of marijuana production.

 

[resinryder]

I'm starting to wonder if the whiners understand how much time and money goes into tending the big gardens that provide the product they get to pick and choose over down at the corner co-op?

 

[Blue Dot]

What someone thinks they should be compensated for means dick.

The supply side factors in issues like safety, construction cost of grow rooms, lawyer retainers, equipment, rent, insurance etc.
..get a grip dude, an economist would laugh at your stupid comments regarding pricing..

How the fuck does someone say doubling the cost of production is greedy, flat out? BD, you're making yourself look like an ass, what formula did you come up with for that stupid conclusion?

...some people have no clue about economics, risk, liabilities etc.

11362.765.
c) A primary caregiver who receives compensation for actual expenses, including reasonable compensation incurred for services provided to an eligible qualified patient or person with an identification card to enable that person to use marijuana under this article, or for payment for out-of-pocket expenses incurred in providing those services, or both, shall not, on the sole basis of that fact, be subject to prosecution or punishment under Section 11359 or 11360.

RISK is not an out-of-pocket expense.

It's true you do risk having a legal problem in the future but until you do and have to pay for it like Babba then you legally can't be compensated for what MAY happen.

 

[zenoonez]

You want the grower to get arrested and charged and THEN he can charge to cover his legal expenses? What about all his gear and plants that got taken when he got raided? What is he going to sell?

 

[Blue Dot]

You want the grower to get arrested and charged and THEN he can charge to cover his legal expenses?

SB420 says Babba can recoup his legal expenses after he was busted but not before.

it's not an out of pocket expense until it actually happens.

Not every caregiver gets busted, actually the VAST majority don't, so for them to pass on that improbable risk to their patients in the form of higher compensation is unfair and frankly greedy.

 

[Pythagllio]

Jesus christ BD, if you were any more ignorant of what's needed to run a business and generally accepted accounting principles you'd be declared brain dead . GAAP treats reserves for future expenses as out of pocket expenses. Yes, the grower can simply put a line item on the balance sheet for a reserve for legal services, deposit it in the bank, and it is an out of pocket expense. If in the future he ends up not needing it, it's returned to the general operating fund and is income.

 

[ICMag1]

RISK is not an out-of-pocket expense.

It's true you do risk having a legal problem in the future but until you do and have to pay for it like Babba then you legally can't be compensated for what MAY happen.

If that's how the law puts it, that's pure bullshit. If you are manufacturing some product, and there is some non-zero chance of you incurring Cost X of $Y in the future, then Cost X should be reflected in the market price, and how much of Cost X will be reflected in the price of the product will depend on the likelihood of Cost X being incurred, the value of Y, and other factors like the likelihood of the bullshit law terminology being enforced and severity of the penalty when that bullshit law is enforced. Nothing the law says can effectively prevent that process from happening.

Does the law think that's wrong? Apparently. Is it bulllshit though? Definitely.

edit: but now I see that "Actual Expenses" as the law puts it, does include future expenses. so nvm

 

[Blue Dot]

Jesus christ BD, if you were any more ignorant of what's needed to run a business and generally accepted accounting principles...

You really think the intent of 215 was to create a bunch of "businessmen" with accounting on their minds?

These are caregivers, not CEO's.

at least you refrained from using "addled" lol

 

[Blue Dot]

edit: but now I see that "Actual Expenses" as the law puts it, does include future expenses. so nvm

No, a future expense may be a new greenhouse or maybe an upgrade of that ford "company car" to a lamborghini, that doesn't mean it's an actual expense RIGHT NOW.

If that were the case you could claim that your future expenses would be in excess of a mil so that you have the right to charge your patient whatever you want right now in order to recoup for something that may or may not happen.

 

[Blue Dot]

Yes, the grower can simply put a line item on the balance sheet for a reserve for legal services, deposit it in the bank, and it is an out of pocket expense. If in the future he ends up not needing it, it's returned to the general operating fund and is income.

You mean, "If in the future he ends up not needing it, it's returned to the general operating fund and is profit."

 

[imnotcrazy]

Blue Dot, instead of constantly bitching about how the clubs are operating outside the boundaries of the law, I have a better idea:

Why don't you quit your day job, become a caregiver, collect several patients to serve as such and donate their meds to them.

You're extremely quick to jump in, bitching and moaning about how all of these people are operating "outside of the law" but I never see you doing anything to rectify this situation you have such an issue with.

Everyone wants to be armchair quarterback but no one wants to get tackled, same reason our government has done what the fuck they've wanted for the last 70+ years....

 

[zenoonez]

Blue Dot, instead of constantly bitching about how the clubs are operating outside the boundaries of the law, I have a better idea:

Why don't you quit your day job, become a caregiver, collect several patients to serve as such and donate their meds to them.

You're extremely quick to jump in, bitching and moaning about how all of these people are operating "outside of the law" but I never see you doing anything to rectify this situation you have such an issue with.

Everyone wants to be armchair quarterback but no one wants to get tackled, same reason our government has done what the fuck they've wanted for the last 70+ years....

Fuck the law BD. Growing, selling, consuming weed is still federally illegal and will be for years so I am all for breaking the law. In fact, I am for breaking all bad laws. So keep quoting your laws and I will continue to tell you that they are stupid laws which are continuing to impinge upon my fundamental right to grow cannabis and that they don't and can't support the volume of use in California whether that use be "legitimate" in your eyes or not.

 

[Zeinth]

??

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what if?? what if??

a vendor comes in to a shop..ya patient 420 legal...verified!

so this vendor goes to several coops that post pics of the current menu??

on coops websites with pics.....

well..this vendor with the og danks prices it 2000 an lb...

coop buys medical x\cannabis..sells at 55 an 1/8..

other undercover patients buy danks og, same medical cannabis..

they must be doing this...getting medical cannabis as bait..and pricing it so cheap that coop owners think there getting a great deal!


right now...with all the shit going down..i see 3 more coops have closed..


so what is the answer..legalize?? Iam sure there are some here that like the cash they get for there hard work!

legalizing cannabis would be the end of coops...big pharma is all over this plant!!

paper..rope..medicine..ya..clothes..and a lot more going on..

keeping the legal system chocked full of cash..cannabis would cut into the legal system..bigtime.