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Blue Dot
http://www.chrisconrad.com/expert.witness/sb420-03.htm said:
I still believe that sb420 is a law??
I will accept defeat on this one...but a Senate Bill is not quite a Law-- Otherwise it would not be in litigation--
G'night man...now I know how Boxers can fight in the ring...and go to the bar afterwords--
We are all learning, and I appreciate your Debate--
Peace--
SKUNK420
Member
+1
and
I know it's a little off topic but:
Don't get me start on George Soros and his propaganda machines he finances. He is one of the problems ( and there are others on both sides left and right) in government and politics and the economy today.
SeniorBuzz
Member
Overview and analysis of SB 420
SB 420 was a compromise that considered much input from patients and reformers. It clears up certain implementation issues surrounding Prop 215 (HS11362.5) and formulates a voluntary system to protect patients from arrest. It sets biased and unrealistic standards as the default baseline for protection, but also empowers localities to adopt scientific local medical marijuana guidelines.
SB 420 positive effects:
• SB 420 recognizes all patient's rights as embodied in Prop 215 as summarized in SB420 Section 1(a)(1)
• Participation in the voluntary ID program is not a requirement for full protection under Prop 215 11362.71(f)
• It asserts medical marijuana as a matter of states rights 420 (1)(e)
• It extends the power of recommendation/approval to osteopaths 11362.7(a)
• It allows agencies to provide medical marijuana to qualified patients 11362.7(d)(2)
• It allows caregivers to have more than one patient in the same county 11362.7(d)(3)
• It allows caregivers to have one out-of-county patient 11362.7(d)(3)
• It creates a protective and completely voluntary 1-year photo ID program for participating patients and/or caregivers. 11362.71(a)(1)
• It provides "around the clock" validation of participation in the program when police confront a patient or caregiver 11362.71(a)(2)
• It allows non-governmental agencies to process the cards 11362.71(c)
• It promises confidentiality of records 11362.71(d)(1)
• It stops arrests -- not just prosecution -- of card-holding individuals for possession, transportation, delivery or cultivation up to a very minimal level of 6 mature plants per patient and 8 oz of bud or conversion (that could arguably be hash or hash oil, or equivalent amounts of foods and tinctures, which have a lot of liquid weight) 11362.71(e)
• It includes the right for an individual to appeal if rejected for a patient ID card 11362.74 (b)
• It gives Medi-Cal patients a 50% fee discount 11362.755(a)
• It allows transportation and processing (HS 11360) 11362.765 (b)
• It reduces the risk of a patient being charged with intent to sell (11359) maintaining a place where cannabis is produced, provided or used (HS11366, 11366.5, 11570 ) 11362.765(b)
• It allows reimbursement for a caregiver's material and labor 11362.765(c)
• It empowers physicians to grant exemptions for quantities 11362.77 (b)
• It allows communities to adopt more realistic amounts but does not allow them to go below the "floor" amounts 11362.77(c)
• It codifies the medical use of dried cannabis flowers rather than leaf 11362.77(d)
• It opens the door for us to work with the AG to amend these levels upward 11362.77(e)
• It recognizes collectives and coop gardens, without regard to county boundaries 11362.775
• It requires police to comply with these provisions 11362.78
• It recognizes that inmates can use medical marijuana 11362.785(c)
• It exempts patients in their homes from the penalties associated with using cannabis within 1000 feet of a school 11362.79(b)
• It enables parolees, defendants and probates to retain full access to MMJ 11362.795
• It criminalizes breach of confidentiality (eg., gives patient info to the feds) 11362.81(b)(4)
SB 420 was a compromise that considered much input from patients and reformers. It clears up certain implementation issues surrounding Prop 215 (HS11362.5) and formulates a voluntary system to protect patients from arrest. It sets biased and unrealistic standards as the default baseline for protection, but also empowers localities to adopt scientific local medical marijuana guidelines.
SB 420 positive effects:
• SB 420 recognizes all patient's rights as embodied in Prop 215 as summarized in SB420 Section 1(a)(1)
• Participation in the voluntary ID program is not a requirement for full protection under Prop 215 11362.71(f)
• It asserts medical marijuana as a matter of states rights 420 (1)(e)
• It extends the power of recommendation/approval to osteopaths 11362.7(a)
• It allows agencies to provide medical marijuana to qualified patients 11362.7(d)(2)
• It allows caregivers to have more than one patient in the same county 11362.7(d)(3)
• It allows caregivers to have one out-of-county patient 11362.7(d)(3)
• It creates a protective and completely voluntary 1-year photo ID program for participating patients and/or caregivers. 11362.71(a)(1)
• It provides "around the clock" validation of participation in the program when police confront a patient or caregiver 11362.71(a)(2)
• It allows non-governmental agencies to process the cards 11362.71(c)
• It promises confidentiality of records 11362.71(d)(1)
• It stops arrests -- not just prosecution -- of card-holding individuals for possession, transportation, delivery or cultivation up to a very minimal level of 6 mature plants per patient and 8 oz of bud or conversion (that could arguably be hash or hash oil, or equivalent amounts of foods and tinctures, which have a lot of liquid weight) 11362.71(e)
• It includes the right for an individual to appeal if rejected for a patient ID card 11362.74 (b)
• It gives Medi-Cal patients a 50% fee discount 11362.755(a)
• It allows transportation and processing (HS 11360) 11362.765 (b)
• It reduces the risk of a patient being charged with intent to sell (11359) maintaining a place where cannabis is produced, provided or used (HS11366, 11366.5, 11570 ) 11362.765(b)
• It allows reimbursement for a caregiver's material and labor 11362.765(c)
• It empowers physicians to grant exemptions for quantities 11362.77 (b)
• It allows communities to adopt more realistic amounts but does not allow them to go below the "floor" amounts 11362.77(c)
• It codifies the medical use of dried cannabis flowers rather than leaf 11362.77(d)
• It opens the door for us to work with the AG to amend these levels upward 11362.77(e)
• It recognizes collectives and coop gardens, without regard to county boundaries 11362.775
• It requires police to comply with these provisions 11362.78
• It recognizes that inmates can use medical marijuana 11362.785(c)
• It exempts patients in their homes from the penalties associated with using cannabis within 1000 feet of a school 11362.79(b)
• It enables parolees, defendants and probates to retain full access to MMJ 11362.795
• It criminalizes breach of confidentiality (eg., gives patient info to the feds) 11362.81(b)(4)
I will accept defeat on this one...but a Senate Bill is not quite a Law-- Otherwise it would not be in litigation--
G'night man...now I know how Boxers can fight in the ring...and go to the bar afterwords--
We are all learning, and I appreciate your Debate--
Peace--
I wish many others here could concede like this. It shows character. And, it's not about winning either. Cheers bud.
I find similarities of Blue Dot amongst myself. We are pretty rigid to what the law says and that does not mean we are LEOs. I just read it as it is.
On the flipside, a senate bill (420) cannot override Prop 215; by any means of stepping on its toes. It can, though, skirt around it. Current cases in review and one's to come (case law) will clear this all up soon. IMO, it is favorable for us, but by no means do I support breaking the law at this time so flagrantly and giving the LEOs more bullshit ammo for their propaganda. This would be aimed at all the TRUE rotten apples (mainly dispensaries) -- and IMO there are a lottttttt of them.
SeniorBuzz
Member
If anyone else wants to, I would like to see someone open a thread to do an exercise, developing the theoretical "as close to perfect" "not for profit" "indoor grow" medical marijuana dispensary.
I'm a newcomer, and most likely don't yet have the authority to start a thread.
I'm a newcomer, and most likely don't yet have the authority to start a thread.
SeniorBuzz
Member
Here's to character
See Blue Dot, I'm not arguing that the dispensaries are right or wrong.. I'm just tryin to get the point across that the Non Profits of this country had no choice but to offer salaries that are competitive with the For Profit sector.
The problem actually lies with the way the the For Profit sector evolved in this country over the last 20-30 years. In order for the Non Profits to be able to compete for dollars in the open market they tend to offer salaries that are competitive w/ For Profit businesses in order to attract talented individuals who would otherwise go directly to the For Profit sector for a higher pay scale. In order to quell this whole scenario we'd have to get into how corporate America has detached bonuses etc from performance, but that's a whole different topic
The problem actually lies with the way the the For Profit sector evolved in this country over the last 20-30 years. In order for the Non Profits to be able to compete for dollars in the open market they tend to offer salaries that are competitive w/ For Profit businesses in order to attract talented individuals who would otherwise go directly to the For Profit sector for a higher pay scale. In order to quell this whole scenario we'd have to get into how corporate America has detached bonuses etc from performance, but that's a whole different topic
SKUNK420
Member
+1
The reason I think no one has posted that type of information or has start a discussion of that information is because every Tom, Dick, and Harry is trying to get to the big pay day first. They don't want to help the sick people get their medicine unless they can make a big profit for themselves.
So are the wise minded people here on this from that are from California willing to share their knowledge of what a truly "legal" co-op or collective is?
SeniorBuzz
Member
lol SK420, well then, I guess it's good that I know how to do it, despite not knowing jacksh*t about growing. there's an enormous amount of talent, and passion, amongst some of the more astute participants of this forum. each person has a gift that they bring along with them. it's a matter of finding the right set-up, in the perfect location; then it's a matter of finding the right people for each of the major areas of indoor growing, plus, dispensing, accounting, with some software and hardware mixed in, developing that needed core, and go from there.
Understand this is just a mind exercise in what if,,,,,,looking for a reality
and if it helps others, so be it
SKUNK420
Member
I already knew that would be the a common response. It's sad that you lol rip on me for asking. You think I'm small minded and want someone else to do all the work so others including me can "cash in". Sorry that I forgot to say I caregive for a friend who was shot in the back and is now paralyzed. So that why I've been trying to talk to a good lawyer because what is ironic to me is that people here are more then willing to share their knowledge on how to grow marijuana and that is why I love this site. When it comes to what is going on with medical marijuana in California and how to start a co-op or collective the information is a little hard to find or is all over the place. No I do not truly expect anybody to help me or the next guy.
To me if we were truly trying to further the cause we would help each other and not give a damn if you received one stinking dollar for your or my time.
I work on cars and I have people all the time asking me how to fix their own cars. I tell them how to do it to the best of my knowledge. No I do not know every car and then I will try to refer them to some who does and I do not expect one dollar. I do not hold out on any information. I'll even bring my tools to the person house so they can do it themselves or let people bring their cars to my house and use my garage. Now if somebody wants me to do the job 100% myself then yes I will charge them but I am more then willing to teach or help someone who is willing to learn or do the labor for free if they are truly broke.
To me if we were truly trying to further the cause we would help each other and not give a damn if you received one stinking dollar for your or my time.
I work on cars and I have people all the time asking me how to fix their own cars. I tell them how to do it to the best of my knowledge. No I do not know every car and then I will try to refer them to some who does and I do not expect one dollar. I do not hold out on any information. I'll even bring my tools to the person house so they can do it themselves or let people bring their cars to my house and use my garage. Now if somebody wants me to do the job 100% myself then yes I will charge them but I am more then willing to teach or help someone who is willing to learn or do the labor for free if they are truly broke.
SeniorBuzz
Member
maybe just us mmj's should just go ahead and do it on our own.
we could call the new thread you start "Share The Vision"
we are entirely about providing the lowest cost, highest quality, medications, for our patients.
we are going to be pillars of the community.
