"Medical pot dispensaries have done a terrible job"

[Blue Dot]

caregivers are allowed to receive compensation/remuneration for their efforts.

we're talking about dispensaries and dispensaries are legally not allowed to be classified as caregivers.

 

[kmk420kali]

But Jerry also says that these benefits must be distributed equitably amongst all the members as well as the owners/operators employees.

How does being paid minimum wage to be a budtender mean they are being treated equitably.

Or for that matter how about all the damn members who see NONE of the "surplus", ie profit.

How are the members being treated equitably? They aren't, so most if not all dispensaries are not operating by Jerry's guidelines which mean the cites have a basis to raid them.

You may think Jerry's guidelines are merely guidelines but the cities use them as if they are law and until a judge comes along and says this is incorrect then that's just how LA and SD cites will continue to go about business as usual.

The AG Guidelines are just that...Guidelines--
They are not Laws...they are not voted for-- They are merely Jerry's "Musings"...until they are voted on, they are just that--
Please don't act like appeals will not be heard...he pulled the "Not for Profit" shit out of his ass!! Oh, I know you think it should all be free...and that ppl should "Volunteer" in order to be Morally correct...but the truth is...there are no Organizations in the World...that run off of purely "Voluntary" work--
Please name me one--

 

[Hammerhead]

http://www.habitat.org/us_volunteer_program/default.aspx

would this qualify for a all volunteer org?

 

[kmk420kali]

http://www.habitat.org/how/historytext.aspx#

would this qualify for a all volunteer org?

That looks like a very good Org!!
But no...think about it, they have many ppl on board...and unless all of them are independently wealthy...then they surely can't afford to all be "Volunteering" every day...can they?? My guess is that the bulk of the operation is on Payroll...
Not demeaning this at all...good call that they are a very worthwhile Organization...but no...I don't think everyone there works for free--

 

[Blue Dot]

Not demeaning this at all...

but you know when i said volunteer that of course there needs to be some money for some things like supplies for one.

But you know I really meant that like I said before the late 1980's organizations were operated much differently and there has been this ridiculous paradigm shift by greedy yuppies that 180'ed the whole not for profit philosophy.

I find it funny as hell that we can have pages upon pages of arguing over what not for profit really means when it seems like such a common sense thing that of course it would mean no one gets rich in the damn process.

I mean who really would look at the words not for profit and immediately think "we can get rich". That's just crazy.

 

[Hammerhead]

Im not sure I would agree I read most of there site and if they cant get people to do the work voluntarily the home owner has to do the work them self. I could not find any info on there where people are paid for anything. Im sure they all have normal jobs and do this on there spare time. but I could be wrong.

 

[kmk420kali]

but you know when i said volunteer that of course there needs to be some money for some things like supplies for one.

But you know I really meant that like I said before the late 1980's organizations were operated much differently and there has been this ridiculous paradigm shift by greedy yuppies that 180'ed the whole not for profit philosophy.

I find it funny as hell that we can have pages upon pages of arguing over what not for profit really means when it seems like such a common sense thing that of course it would mean no one gets rich in the damn process.

I mean who really would look at the words not for profit and immediately think "we can get rich". That's just crazy.

Bro...what is your definition of "Rich?" Does it take into account that the average house cost a quarter of a million freaking dollars?? Does it take into account the cost of living...the cost of Healthcare, the cost of putting my kids in College, because if they don't go...they will end up as "Volunteer Budtenders??"
I live a very modest life..but it still takes me $3,000 a month...to be broke--

 

[Blue Dot]

Bro...what is your definition of "Rich?" Does it take into account that the average house cost a quarter of a million freaking dollars?? Does it take into account the cost of living...the cost of Healthcare, the cost of putting my kids in College, because if they don't go...they will end up as "Volunteer Budtenders??"
I live a very modest life..but it still takes me $3,000 a month...to be broke--

That's actually a really good point.

Honestly, I just think DA's like Cooley and Dumanis have a problem with anyone making any money at all off MJ sales.

To them, that's no different then dealing and they certainly don't believe dealers should even be allowed to make a living.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

the national park volunteer system, runs on 100% volunteers. they get no pay, only free access to the park. most of them are retired folks.

 

[Blue Dot]

the national park volunteer system, runs on 100% volunteers. they get no pay, only free access to the park. most of them are retired folks.

Wow. and I just got done watching Ken Burns' National Parks on KPBS last week which was AWESOME BTW.

And to think kmk420kali, this org is run by the feds. Oh the irony.

 

[kmk420kali]

Wow. and I just got done watching Ken Burns' National Parks on KPBS last week which was AWESOME BTW.

And to think kmk420kali, this org is run by the feds. Oh the irony.

Hmmm..so there are no Executives that run the Org...there is no advertising, no Web Space...no buildings....everybody works for free?? Damn...those must be the Homeless guys I give $$ to--

 

[Blue Dot]

Hmmm..so there are no Executives that run the Org...there is no advertising, no Web Space...no buildings....everybody works for free?? Damn...those must be the Homeless guys I give $$ to--

Actually it was guys like J.D Rockefellers son who donated (just straight gave) a TON of money to the parks to keep them solvent.

Oh, the irony again.

Thanks Hashzepp, with this example kmk420kali is never gonna win. lol

 

[kmk420kali]

Actually it was guys like J.D Rockefellers son who donated (just straight gave) a TON of money to the parks to keep them solvent.

Oh, the irony again.

Thanks Hashzepp, with this example kmk420kali is never gonna win. lol

Good one BD!!! I expect that JD never used this as a Tax Write off...right??
Purely from the kindness of his heart--

I already won Homie...there are no Orgs that run absolutely based on Volunteer work...from the Top down--
Next??

 

[Blue Dot]

Good one BD!!! I expect that JD never used this as a Tax Write off...right??
Purely from the kindness of his heart--t??

It wasn't JD it was his son. That's important because his son kinda became a little disulussioned with his dad because of the amount of money he made.

JD's son always figured there was more to life then money so he donated a lot, I mean a LOT but it wasn't for the tax write-off. He did many other things to help the parks, they really are why they are today a lot because of him and yeah, it was just because he thought nature was the ultimate.

He had a special interest in conservation, and purchased and donated land for many American National Parks, including Grand Teton (hiding his involvement and intentions behind the Snake River Land Company), Acadia, Great Smoky Mountains, Yosemite, and Shenandoah. In the case of Acadia National Park, he financed and engineered an extensive Carriage Road network throughout the park. Both the John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Memorial Parkway that connects Yellowstone National Park to the Grand Teton National Park and the Rockefeller Memorial in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park were named after him. He was also active in the movement to save redwood trees, making a significant contribution to Save-the-Redwoods League in the 1920s to enable the purchase of what would become the Rockefeller Forest in Humboldt Redwoods State Park.

 

[kmk420kali]

It wasn't JD it was his son. That's important because his son kinda became a little disulussioned with his dad because of the amount of money he made.

JD's son always figured there was more to life then money so he donated a lot, I mean a LOT but it wasn't for the tax write-off. He did many other things to help the parks, they really are why they are today a lot because of him and yeah, it was just because he thought nature was the ultimate.

Props-- But remember this...he was fucking filthy rich--
Now...let's get to you man...how many hours a day do YOU volunteer at something??
Oh shit...Kmk420Kali is being a DICK again!! lol!!

 

[Blue Dot]

Now...let's get to you man...how many hours a day do YOU volunteer at something??

Zero, but that's just because I can barely make my owns ends meet.

It's a good point, and I realize many people are in the same situation as me and it's unduely or burdensome to ask that they volunteer but it doesn't change the way 215 was written.

I mean hell the only reason 215 ever passed was because of a filthy rich mofo like JD's son (George Soros) so it is ironic but it just is the way it is.

 

[kmk420kali]

Zero, but that's just because I can barely make my owns ends meet.

It's a good point, and I realize many people are in the same situation as me and it's unduely or burdensome to ask that they volunteer but it doesn't change the way 215 was written.

I mean hell the only reason 215 ever passed was because of a filthy rich mofo like JD's son (George Soros) so it is ironic but it just is the way it is.

Can you please point me to the part of 215 that said it has to be Non Profit??

 

[Blue Dot]

Can you please point me to the part of 215 that said it has to be Non Profit??

For now ayway, until that cali SC case goes thru everyone is still using SB420 and where it says no profit and then they also use Jerry's guidelines so yeah it doesn't say it in 215 but 215 does say affordable with is kinda synonymous with not for profit.

I understand what your getting at but right now sb420 is law and Jerry is the top cop so if you were a judge who would you defer to?

 

[kmk420kali]

For now ayway, until that cali SC case goes thru everyone is still using SB420 and where it says no profit and then they also use Jerry's guidelines so yeah it doesn't say it in 215 but 215 does say affordable with is kinda synonymous with not for profit.

I understand what your getting at but right now sb420 is law and Jerry is the top cop so if you were a judge who would you defer to?

The Law-- And it says nothing about Non Profit--
Where in SB420 does it say "Non-Profit"??
Keep in mind...when Jerry was Gov...my Father used to talk shit about him being a "Long haired Hopped up sympathizer"...(Yeah...my dad was a li'l like Red Forman!! lol)
But somewhere Jerry lost contact with the masses...and reconciled to the Lobbyist--

 

[richyrich]

Prop 215 may be the statute (law), but case law (reviewing court opinions) is going to dictate the outcome of present and future cases -- case law is what matters!!!