Nomaad's Outdoor Adventure 2009 v1.2

[nomaad]

I guess the pics you have posted here are proof that you can't grow quality bud outdoors. Def not something I'd allow in my tray. LOL!

They definitely LOOK as good as a lot of indoor I have seen. They are also NOT officially outdoor... they spent their nights covered with a non-breathable trap over them... moisture became a problem when temps were low at night.... got some botrytis aka budrot. thrips. So they are somewhere between greenhouse and outdoor. A pic only tells us that they look just as good. I'd really love to do some real tests to make this determination. First we'd need to come up with a set of parameters for the test. Obviously THC, CBD/N percentages... what else? Taste, smell...

I think it largely depends on the grower. Apparently, growing good ganja is something I'm good at from the start... Not to toot my own horn cuz I will sit here for days telling you what I think I have done wrong so far... but I'm pretty good at it. Now... I am sure there are people just doing a mediocre job inside who are producing weed far inferior to mine... buts its not the paradigm's fault... the grower just sucks. I am also using really good nutes and yummies.

the last part of your post "Def not something I'd allow in my tray" just to be sure i understand... its a sarcastic comment and you are referring to your skin-up tray? otherwise i am not sure what you mean...

berry white looks hella frosty.........u got an afgooey going in your garden? i am curious to which produces more trycombs.

None, sorry. My good friend is monocropping AfGooey (I believe its the same thing as AfGoo- correct me if I am wrong.) He was here the other day and will be back with his son, who is the one doing the gardening, so I'll be able to ask him more specific questions including the ones you asked regarding finishing time, etc in anothe rthread. PM me with a list of questions if you like.

 

[humboldtlocal]

Does your Razz seem like it will finish earlier than most of the others. A friend was trying to get me to grow it this spring saying that it was a very early finisher. It was a clone from Arcata but I ended up passing.

 

[nomaad]

oh yeah. the razz will be done in about 6 weeks. she has wanted to flower since I put her out...

 

[nomaad]

the first 3 of 8 cameras. you can barely make out some plants in the top left. if that's all I am going to get, I am not going to risk the possible light stress... Until somebody weighs in on my question with authority. No offense to those who have weighed in... but nobody has yet convinced me.

I posted it in another thread... dunno if I mentioned it here. The cameras I am using have IR LEDs that are in the 850-940 nM range. I want to be sure that this will not affect my plants. Any LED growers out there?

 

[lexxx]

Excuse my sarcasm

Excuse my sarcasm

They definitely LOOK as good as a lot of indoor I have seen. They are also NOT officially outdoor... they spent their nights covered with a non-breathable trap over them... moisture became a problem when temps were low at night.... got some botrytis aka budrot. thrips. So they are somewhere between greenhouse and outdoor. A pic only tells us that they look just as good. I'd really love to do some real tests to make this determination. First we'd need to come up with a set of parameters for the test. Obviously THC, CBD/N percentages... what else? Taste, smell...

I think it largely depends on the grower. Apparently, growing good ganja is something I'm good at from the start... Not to toot my own horn cuz I will sit here for days telling you what I think I have done wrong so far... but I'm pretty good at it. Now... I am sure there are people just doing a mediocre job inside who are producing weed far inferior to mine... buts its not the paradigm's fault... the grower just sucks. I am also using really good nutes and yummies.

the last part of your post "Def not something I'd allow in my tray" just to be sure i understand... its a sarcastic comment and you are referring to your skin-up tray? otherwise i am not sure what you mean...

Yup! I was referring to my rolling tray but, that's actually a misnomer because I've always used a box. Just an old hippie slang thing like lid or matchbox.

And, actually I was being sarcastic in my post in it's entirety. Sorry... I've been told I have a biting sarcasm but apparently a dry and undetectable one too.
BTW, I'm a big fan of DJ Short and he says that if you can, grow outdoors. I like seeing people share their joy and love for these plants. There is something
spiritual about living with these plants in a natural environment that must be seen to fully understand. I do like your outdoor/indoor hybrid. Actually the best of both worlds.

 

[nomaad]

sarcasm is just fine with me... just making sure i'm picking up what you're laying down.

 

[nomaad]

OK. I got some solid info on the IR Camera thing. Weed Santa has used one about 10x the power of mine for a whole season with ZERO noticeable results. Unless that's the reason he is killing the fuck out of it like he is.

We discussed the the winter greenhouse in more detail... He believes that you can pull 50lbs with 3600-6000kw (we said 6 lights and I am pretty sure he's a 600-only user... but we never specified in out conversation)of supplemental lighting on 18 plants... I think the way to do it would be in 2 greenhouses. One for veg and one for bloom. To get the most out of it with 3-4 scripts, you're going to want to veg for as long as possible. Wintertime tree grow.

And here are the trees. Blue Dream, Clueberry and two kinds of OG Kush. More than half the clones from one of the Tahoe OG mom's showed no vigor whatsoever... when all the other clones were just popping, only a handful from this mom were showing any roots at all thru the Oasis cubes... I dissected one yesterday and found that a little white nub of root had sprouted and was sufficient to keep the plant looking just as nice as the ones that were sprouting roots like crazy (15ml Botanicare Power Clone and 30ml of Hygrozyme per Gallon of water every three days or when the cubes seemed to be getting dry) but the roots just ain't there. I am going to see what happens with them... but i am going to switch up the expensive power clone solution for some straight up hormex and see what happens. They are the ones still in the dome in the back. My feeling is that these were cut from higher up on the plant when the plant was already in flower. Double whammy.

I am keeping 30 since that is the amount of plants that I can have in veg with 4 scripts whilst having 18 in flower. 18 of those will run in my greenhouse and 12 are being kept as moms for the homies until they get transplanted ino 3 gallon pots. The others will be given as gifts in the next week or so.

 

[nomaad]

any thought on how long these will take before they need to be transplanted under 8xT5's?

 

[3rd I]

Looking good bro...sounds like a plan...i'd get them under the t5's right now

FYI...i clone straight into 5"x5"x5" pots of coco, take cutting dip in rooting hormone for 30sec to a minute...usually use olivia's but i ordered some of this for the next session Hortus Rooting Compounds...then give them RO with GH 3ml micro, 4.5ml bloom, ph'ed to 6.0....usually busting roots within a week...ready to rock...just how i do it, with the GH and the new rooting hormone recently being added in with info from rezdog...used clonex before and usually took 10 to 14 days this way or with a cloner

Got four of six of these to root...cut them in the bush, dipped em in hormone then stuck them inside foodsaver bags made into tubes n' filled with coco...4 survived the ride home and transplant to the 5x5x5s and are rooted

 

[nomaad]

75% of the clones we cut all had amazing roots at 7 days. At 14 it was scary.

This is a Tahoe OG cut that has been touchy in the cloning department since two generations back... I think we're just dropping the strain since out other Og cut is incredibly vigorous from cut to fully vegged. Now we'll get to see how she flowers.

 

[nomaad]

Got four of six of these to root...cut them in the bush, dipped em in hormone then stuck them inside foodsaver bags made into tubes n' filled with coco...4 survived the ride home and transplant to the 5x5x5s and are rooted

how long was the ride home?

 

[fisher15]

So six 600's over 18 plants? Will that be enough light?

And a fifty pack...over 2.5 per, impressive. How much would you plan to use the hps in veg? In flower? Seems a bit to get those yields under the winter sun (or clouds, as it will be here). Veg in one, flower in another? So you're going to move a full vegged plant into a different ghouse to flower? What size planter?

You're really on it bro. Was gonna sit on a beach, blowing smoke all winter, but you're putting ideas in my head now dammit, lol

 

[nomaad]

So six 600's over 18 plants? Will that be enough light?

And a fifty pack...over 2.5 per, impressive. How much would you plan to use the hps in veg? In flower? Seems a bit to get those yields under the winter sun (or clouds, as it will be here). Veg in one, flower in another? So you're going to move a full vegged plant into a different ghouse to flower? What size planter?

You're really on it bro. Was gonna sit on a beach, blowing smoke all winter, but you're putting ideas in my head now dammit, lol

The first thing I saw when I got here was 2.5-4.5 per plant in Weed Santa's Greenhouse in 200 gallon smartpots... in May. The Blue Dream was 4.5. He said I will need 6 lights. Still working things out, but I have been watching this guy kill it year after year and my level of experience has him pretty confident that I can pull it off.

So, fisher... I'll be seeing you in the "Growing in Greenhouses" forum sometime around Jan15?

 

[nomaad]

By the way... I won't think any less of you if you decide to sit on the beach till May. I've been sitting on one for the last five years, so-to-speak.

 

[try comb]

clones are lookin great.....

to get that weight.....you are gonna have to have some pretty big plants.......I'd think using 1000 watters for supplemental light would be better due to the penetration........cut way down on the popcorn.....i am not sure how important the lighting you have will be though.....im very curious to see how that plays out....

 

[3rd I]

Yep i think 1000s...way better and more bang for your buck...i use 1000w lumateks and love them

I'll hopefully be sitting on a beach the whole month of december but hen it's back to the grindstone

 

[nomaad]

The lights will probably be bare bulbs hung vertically. Or if i go with hoods, light movers. I might do both to see which works better.

 

[try comb]

The lights will probably be bare bulbs hung vertically. Or if i go with hoods, light movers. I might do both to see which works better.

i think movers would be a GREAT idea for that situation.

 

[nomaad]

well... considering that the plants have just started vegging and they will go outside into supplemental light from 10 gallon pots and will then veg for 2 months in their 200's... they will be pretty big by the time they get flipped to 12/12 on april 1st or so.

I'm with you, comb. Very interested to see how this plays out.

 

[nomaad]

wtf. did you edit your post, comb? cuz my response is to the original.