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Federal judges order California to release 43,000 inmates


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Inmates squeeze into rows of bunk beds at San Quentin. Federal judges have said California prisons are so crowded that they constitute cruel and unusual punishment.



August 5, 2009

CNN - California must shrink the population of its teeming prisons by nearly 43,000 inmates over the next two years to meet constitutional standards, a panel of three federal judges ruled Tuesday, ordering the state to come up with a reduction plan by mid-September.

The order cited Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's own words when he proclaimed a state of emergency in the corrections system in 2006 and warned of substantial risk to prison staff, inmates and the general public, saying "immediate action is necessary to prevent death and harm."







Tuesday's ruling heightens the stakes for a legislative debate over prisons that will take place later this month. As part of the agreement to close the state's $26-billion budget gap, the governor and lawmakers agreed to cut $1.2 billion from the prisons budget, but postponed decisions on how to hit that goal.

The governor and most legislative leaders back a plan that would reduce prison populations by as many as 37,000 over the next two years using a combination of early releases, changes in parole policies and shifting of some prisoners to county jails.

Debate on that plan will be contentious, with many Republicans opposed. But the judges' ruling means that defeating the plan would not only unravel a major piece of the budget agreement but also potentially cede decision-making over prison policies to the federal courts.


Lengthy process

The 185-page opinion follows a trial last year and nearly 14 years of deliberations over lawsuits brought by inmates alleging cruel and unusual punishment, which moved the state case into federal jurisdiction. The opinion accuses the state of fostering "criminogenic" conditions that lead prisoners and parolees to commit more crimes, feeding a cycle of recidivism.

"The constitutional deficiencies in the California prison system's medical and mental health system cannot be resolved in the absence of a prisoner release order," the judges concluded.

They stopped short of issuing a release edict, though, giving state officials 45 days to come up with their own plan for reducing overcrowding while observing that alternatives to release, such as building new prisons, were "too distant" and unlikely to be funded.

Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown said the state would comply with the order to produce a plan, but repeated criticism that the judges had ignored significant improvements made in recent years.

He said he doubts the U.S. Supreme Court, to which state officials could appeal any release order, would find that current prison conditions violate the Constitution.

"The courts are ordering the state to come up with a plan to release all these prisoners, but the question is: Which prisoners? Release to what -- halfway houses, GPS monitoring? And what happens when they commit another crime -- do they come back? There's a lot that is not clear," Brown said.

Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation Secretary Matthew Cate said he hoped the judges would back down if state officials and lawmakers make progress in reducing the state's prison population this month, as planned.

The administration's proposal to cut the inmate population by 37,000 over two years could be approved by the Legislature with a majority vote -- meaning no support would be needed by conservative Republicans who threatened to scuttle last month's budget deal if prisoner releases were included.

The governor's plan would allow the state to place on home detention prisoners with less than a year left on their sentences and those who are elderly or infirm. It would also change sentencing and parole rules to reward those who show evidence of rehabilitation.

But Schwarzenegger may be reluctant to use the courts as a hammer to push his plan through. Administration officials have repeatedly said that the court has overstepped its boundaries. The overcrowding problem, Cate said, is a state problem that needs to be fixed by the governor and lawmakers.

"It is not the job of the federal court to do this," he said.

Noting the legislative session that begins in two weeks, Prison Law Office Director Donald Specter, who brought the prisoners' suits, said lawmakers now face the choice of being "part of the solution or continuing to be part of the problem."






If anything I hope they stop throwing MJ activists and patients in jail!!!!!
 
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If anything I hope they stop throwing MJ activists and patients in jail!!!!!

they wont dare release such violent offenders that are clear and obvious threats to public safety
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they have 2 years to reduce the prison pop so i assume they wont be doing one massive release of inmates although they probobly should
sounds like this what they going to do

"The governor's plan would allow the state to place on home detention prisoners with less than a year left on their sentences and those who are elderly or infirm. It would also change sentencing and parole rules to reward those who show evidence of rehabilitation."
 

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The easiest way for them to fix this problem is to fix the fucked up parole laws out here. In normal parts of the world parole is part of the sentence that a convict doesn't have to due behind bars for good behavior credits. Here in California it's an extra 3 years on top of your sentence. So you could get sentenced to 16 months. Do 9 months on the term and end up after everything is said and done if parole fucks with you doing over 3 years of time.
 

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You would think that the state government would prioritize the release of people who are in prison for victimless crimes - like, uh, drug possession. But no, their one and only massive release plan is to release and deport most of the criminal illegal aliens in the prisons. Notwithstanding the fact that almost all of them will be back in California within a few weeks of being deported.

The problem with California is that the public employee unions have become so powerful that they demand, and get, such a huge portion of our budget that the State has nothing left over for infrastructure.

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kmk420kali

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The easiest way for them to fix this problem is to fix the fucked up parole laws out here. In normal parts of the world parole is part of the sentence that a convict doesn't have to due behind bars for good behavior credits. Here in California it's an extra 3 years on top of your sentence. So you could get sentenced to 16 months. Do 9 months on the term and end up after everything is said and done if parole fucks with you doing over 3 years of time.

It took me over 10 years to get off parole...from a 2 year sentence--
Once they get you, they don't wanna let go!!:mad:
That was a while back tho...I had an "E" number:yoinks:
 

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The problem is that the whole system has been privatized. the whole prison/parole system is now a money making business in a market where the value of the company is based on its future growth. All successful businesses in our market have a minimum growth requirement to keep the business from dropping in value.

The only way for the prison system to continually grow is to lock up more people, and trap them in the system for longer periods of time. To add to this problem this privatized system is also government subsidized, meaning very little investment(in comparison to other corporations) is required to start it, and there is very little risk.
 

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This is one of the main reasons i'll be living in the woods somewhere in northern cali in the next two years gotta go off grid. A couple people just got killed by paroles here in L.A. going to be crazy in L.A. by 2015 straight up warzone i think. I'll be off the grid watching from the woods.
 
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The problem is that the whole system has been privatized. the whole prison/parole system is now a money making business in a market where the value of the company is based on its future growth. All successful businesses in our market have a minimum growth requirement to keep the business from dropping in value.

The only way for the prison system to continually grow is to lock up more people, and trap them in the system for longer periods of time. To add to this problem this privatized system is also government subsidized, meaning very little investment(in comparison to other corporations) is required to start it, and there is very little risk.

good post

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Are we really to believe that THAT many more people decided to become criminals since 1990 or the more reasonable conclusion that the prisons decided to start making criminals out of people who weren't criminals?
 

kmk420kali

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This is one of the main reasons i'll be living in the woods somewhere in northern cali in the next two years gotta go off grid. A couple people just got killed by paroles here in L.A. going to be crazy in L.A. by 2015 straight up warzone i think. I'll be off the grid watching from the woods.

So you are worried about the Parolees that might be released early?? The non-violent offenders that might be getting a break on their motherfucking illegal fucking incarceration of a person using drugs??
Like Homie above said...you should be worried about the Cartels...not poor fuckers that couldn't afford a Lawyer at their trial--:wallbash:
 

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This is one of the main reasons i'll be living in the woods somewhere in northern cali in the next two years gotta go off grid. A couple people just got killed by paroles here in L.A. going to be crazy in L.A. by 2015 straight up warzone i think. I'll be off the grid watching from the woods.

Good luck with that... Last time I checked this was a statewide problem. Last time I checked my county of commitment when I got in trouble was in *gasp* northern california.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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good post

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Are we really to believe that THAT many more people decided to become criminals since 1990 or the more reasonable conclusion that the prisons decided to start making criminals out of people who weren't criminals?

The government also helps the prison system grow by making more and more laws designed to lock people up on technicalities.

The reason money can be made off a prisoner is because the prison company figures out how to takes care of the prisoner the cheapest way, while following minimum standards(kinda). Since the business is government subsidized they get a certain amount of money per prisoner; kinda like cattle. The prison company is able to care for each prisoner for less money than they get from the government for each prisoner, so they keep the change for them selves. basically its a form of slavery in my opinion.
 
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basically its a form of slavery in my opinion.

That's really funny you posted that.

just the other day I was thinking that people (citizens, but mostly the gov)were forced to abolish slavery of black people so they basically thought to themselves, what can we enslave next?

pot heads (?), you guessed it!

I mean who's kidding who when prison workers in prison factories get paid like 5 cents an hour.

How the fuck did this ever get accepted by regular labor unions?

I mean America will hold protests for Chinese sweat shops but the same damn thing is happening today in our prisons.

It's like no one was even paying attention while the prison unions were building more and more and now people are like WTF, are we REALLY incarcerating this many people and enslaving them into a system, not based on prejudice of skin color but on drug of choice!
 

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The reason the prison system doesn't actually rehabilitate most of the time is because people are just struggling to stay alive in it. How do you expect someone to learn to live with people and society if you condition them to live in a cage full of angry, aggressive, violent people, that have to compete for resources, are treated like cattle, and don't get any woman.
 

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Yes, the prison system in the United States is a form of modern day slavery. It still beats 3rd world country slavery and sweatshops, but it is slavery none-the-less. But then again, so is working for corporate America. They're just better off than your usual slave types.

Someone once compared the way things work as looking at crabs in a barrel. The crabs are in the barrel and most want to get out. So they climb and climb upon eachother in hopes of reaching the opening above. Unfortunately some unseen crab barrel master has bought/designed this barrel in such a way that no crabs get out unless the master says so.

How much must you earn to become a master? It doesn't matter, you'll always just be another crab.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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Ya if you are in prison its like being a field slave. if you are in corporate america it is like being a pampered house slave. The only freedom we really have on earth anywhere is the illusion of freedom through multiple choice. You can do what you want as long as it is one of the choices we give you to chose from.

Even if all you do is grow a harmless plant they will imprison you because that is not one of the jobs available on the list of choices we are given by our b.s. society.
 

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So you are worried about the Parolees that might be released early?? The non-violent offenders that might be getting a break on their motherfucking illegal fucking incarceration of a person using drugs??
Like Homie above said...you should be worried about the Cartels...not poor fuckers that couldn't afford a Lawyer at their trial--:wallbash:
fuck those cartels i've lived in LA most of my life its the low life cholos yeah those same cholos that jumped me and stabbed me in Downey for being the wrong race in the wrong spot at the wrong time with a latina girlfriend. the street level cholos are the ones putting in work for the cartels.mexican mafia aka cartels you better wake up and get a grasp I never said anything about non violent offenders Im talking about the ones who get out and kill people like the 2 murders in the last 2 weeks by parolees. Just my :2cents: I hate gangsters I was no sweetheart in my youth but never a gangster either (did my CYA time in my teens for street fighting too much I know the system well by the way havent been in a fight out of a cage or ring since.) I know street level crips, bloods, cholos, wa ching asian boys growing up in the SGV all of them are dangers to society. Now im almost 30 with a family LA CO turning into a shithole sorry i'll take my family and move else where. non violent okay but like I said not talking about non violent offenders here im talking about people getting killed :wallbash: by scumbags that shouldnt be out of prison.... some examples if you have a street or gang name on your face,neck , or back of head you should never be allowed out never whos going to hire this person. child molesters as well throw the book at them.
 

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Good luck with that... Last time I checked this was a statewide problem. Last time I checked my county of commitment when I got in trouble was in *gasp* northern california.
You must have not read the part about being in the woods im not talking eureka or humboldt im talking next to a portion of the national forest... LoL if i get shanked off the grid in the woods by somebody in the system than i guess it was meant to be but if i see them coming and chances are i will on the amount of land im working on with my dogs,I think I'll be ok. 40 acres off the grid doubt i'll get in trouble sorry about what happened to you. If i wasn't vending to clubs i'd be outta Cali all together. The point for me is to get off grid hence the 40 acres next to federal land so nobody can buy it and live next to me... the whole point is to be alone with my family, privacy, solar power, wind turbines, Log home,no neighbors.Basically trying to invent paradise thanks for the good luck but none needed just time,$$$,and patience. :joint: with that said if AZ becomes a med state in nov 2010 I'll be using my savings for paradise on a co-op in the heat. and plans will be delayed.
 

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