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outdoor fertilizers?!?!?!
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Im shooting for a target of August 15th for flowering to start! Some plants are shaded more and are starting now. They 2 Grape apes and one Purple Kush they will be getting Open Sesame 5-45-19.
I have chose to Grow with a sugar product Floralicious plus or Sweet Berry or molasses.
The main nutes will be Big Bloom-Tiger Bloow-Open Sesame-Beastie Bloomz-Cha Ching
Open Sesame 5-45-19 is a high-phosphorus soluble early-flowering formula fertilizer that is designed to bring plants into bloom at your command. Feed with Open Sesame starting at about the fifth or sixth week of a plants life. It will go right to work at the root zone and delivered targeted nutrients when the plants need them the most. Open Sesame will only take a couple of weeks to produce stocky, sturdy, compact, high-producing plants and buds that are ready to burst.
Whether youre growing in hydroponic systems or gardening in ordinary soil, Open Sesame will provide the optimal level of nutrition with minimal salts and other residue buildups. Designed to work with Fox
Beastie Bloomz 0-50-30 is designed for gardeners that are ready to take their plants to the next level. This is a high-phosphorus soluble fertilizer that is geared towards building awesome buds and enormous blossoms.
Beastie Bloomzs micronutrient pack goes to work creating fat, dense, tightly-packed buds, and plenty of them. Beastie will produce some over-the-top, enormous blooms that are long lasting, as well as exceptionally brilliant color. Designed to work with Fox Farms other plant foods & fertilizers.
Cha Ching 9 - 50 - 10 is engineered to maximize the final phase of a plants production. Made to use after the fruit has set, Cha Ching is packed with just the right combination of nutrients to make fruit and flowers drip with flavor and ooze with fragrance.
Cha Ching is a high-phosphorous fertilizer that wont leave a salty residue or buildup in your hydroponic systems or containerized soil plantings. It contains all the essential elements like calcium, magnesium, boron, manganese, sulfur, molybdenum, iron, copper and zinc to support solid fruit on compact, stocky plants. Designed to work with Fox Farms other plant foods & fertilizers.
The main nutes will be Big Bloom-Tiger Bloow-Open Sesame-Beastie Bloomz-Cha Ching
Open Sesame 5-45-19 is a high-phosphorus soluble early-flowering formula fertilizer that is designed to bring plants into bloom at your command. Feed with Open Sesame starting at about the fifth or sixth week of a plants life. It will go right to work at the root zone and delivered targeted nutrients when the plants need them the most. Open Sesame will only take a couple of weeks to produce stocky, sturdy, compact, high-producing plants and buds that are ready to burst.
Whether youre growing in hydroponic systems or gardening in ordinary soil, Open Sesame will provide the optimal level of nutrition with minimal salts and other residue buildups. Designed to work with Fox
Beastie Bloomz 0-50-30 is designed for gardeners that are ready to take their plants to the next level. This is a high-phosphorus soluble fertilizer that is geared towards building awesome buds and enormous blossoms.
Beastie Bloomzs micronutrient pack goes to work creating fat, dense, tightly-packed buds, and plenty of them. Beastie will produce some over-the-top, enormous blooms that are long lasting, as well as exceptionally brilliant color. Designed to work with Fox Farms other plant foods & fertilizers.
Cha Ching 9 - 50 - 10 is engineered to maximize the final phase of a plants production. Made to use after the fruit has set, Cha Ching is packed with just the right combination of nutrients to make fruit and flowers drip with flavor and ooze with fragrance.
Cha Ching is a high-phosphorous fertilizer that wont leave a salty residue or buildup in your hydroponic systems or containerized soil plantings. It contains all the essential elements like calcium, magnesium, boron, manganese, sulfur, molybdenum, iron, copper and zinc to support solid fruit on compact, stocky plants. Designed to work with Fox Farms other plant foods & fertilizers.
Heres my chart and some other pic's
ill have better updates but not way to post then untill I return home. I might be able to arrange to get online in the back country but it will be hard. I will be off to start them by the 18th of next month!
beer batter
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most of that fox farm line is only organic based, not full organic -tiger bloom is not organic -most of the say for best results feed with every other watering.. with age old outside and even bio bizz indoors i feed with every watering and its more consitant -the responce from age old is outragious the grow is 12-6-6 and bloom 5-10-5 it says its only a suplimant of regular fetilizer program but i see it as a primary nutrient and only add liquid karma once and some ancient amber a few times -dumped a quart of each into the tank w/age old grow, its all proportioned 70-80:1 and fed for 15min 5am every day. here is my partners crop last year befor gophers took half of his crop out
-nothing compact about thoes plants -they vagg as big as possable befor pushing fruit, my plants are biger then last year this time and i cant imagin looking to use another fert. well i do ammend my soil ealry in the year and add kelp meal and alfalfa tea, also starter fertilizer tea (its got probiotic and mychorrizea) also vermi crop amendment acratched in under the chunky wood chips i mulch with. i used the dry fox farm befor, its good fertilizer but how good can it be if it needs a flush inbetween every watering.. it'll go further, spread thinner i mean get more for your dollar but ive also found age old to be on the cheeper end of the liquid organic ferts. -i used the rest of my beasty blooms on anahime peppers with great results, and the chaching/opensesimy mixed togher for my tomatoes. ive used agfe old the last few seasons and cant shake it -i was talking to thebuddy of mine about dif organic ferts and anything beyond whats been used i think of trial and error -he agreed that we cant afford any error so we stick with age old bloom, i was thinking maby biobizz bloom cause of the molasses and kelp ingredients but its more expensive and i like results i get. also mix some guano in around this time -mocha guano 4-6-2, i found it last year while i was up in mendocino and then just found it searching online 10lb for like 20bucks (the folks at the greenhouse supply dais it was the best transition guano they had, they had soo many kinds i had to ask about them -used thoes guano packs in the past w/good responce)
keep in mind tiger bloom may not be forgiving as organic ferts may be, my age old was set at 50:1 in the young mixer/proportioner i just went through nutes too fast -way too fast and then had weeks where i found out i was empty and too another week to have it shiped here, the plants where never burnt just hunrgy when i kept irrigating w/o ferts -i mixed up some biogrow (2.2-.5-6.6) and earthjuice bloom (0-3-1) when i found they where hungry and i had only my indoor bio-juice ferts untill my order arrived. no hickups from the crop and they are loveing life, my first year i used FF ferts like yours (i used the 3 pack and big bloom, cant remember if i ran tiger bloom, i beleave i did -that was back in '06) and i had great taisting weed -even what hadent dried properly was very smooth, probly had to do with the strain too i just see what age old does on my partners ranch and now i walk in his footsteps.
AGE OLD GROW (12-6-6)
An odorless natural fertilizer with a 2-1 nitrogen ratio to enhance plant growth and vigor. It contains fish solubles, feather meal & colloidal phosphates. Micronutrients are derived from seaweed extract, borax and complex sugars.
AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
An odorless, natural, fast-acting phosphorus combination that encourages early growth, greater flowering and better fruit set. Soak seeds for higher germination rates. Soak roots for greater root mass and less trans-plant shock. Contains fish solubles, feather meal & colloidal phosphates. Micronutrients are derived from seaweed extracts, borax and complex sugars.
this is their kelp, its probly as cheep as maxicrop and has got mush lower NPK numbers -a gal is $30- that same as aquart of roots organics kelp or biobizz kelp @30 bucks a quart. i mix a quart per galloon with my first gallon of vegg and of bloom -i ran low on grow again and fed plants with a quart of this, put the green right back into the growth sites i just wish i get more liquid age old in storage. it sucks not being consistant or perdictable but atleast i know their a good amount of nitrogen allready in the soil, im gunna get a gallon of bloom later this month. AGE OLD KELP (.3-.25.15)
Liquid Kelp concentrate is the original soil and plant bio-stimulant. Apply as a soil drench to build soil tilth and restore biological life to damaged soils. Use as a foliar spray to improve nutrient uptake, provide needed micronutrients and combat a wide range of environmental stresses.
i ran a seed crop this spring on 1 gal of age old bloom and 1 quart of kelp, cost my less then 50 bucks with re-used ammended soil. i got hundreds of seeds and they are well developed, i just used close to the same nutes as last season. i got one seed from like 4 pounds of bud and it was tiger stiped and healthy soo i used age old again instead of biobloom -i have that for indoor perpetiual also amended with dr earth and kelp meal. i was most interested in a good fert for seed production, to get proper germ rates.
-nothing compact about thoes plants -they vagg as big as possable befor pushing fruit, my plants are biger then last year this time and i cant imagin looking to use another fert. well i do ammend my soil ealry in the year and add kelp meal and alfalfa tea, also starter fertilizer tea (its got probiotic and mychorrizea) also vermi crop amendment acratched in under the chunky wood chips i mulch with. i used the dry fox farm befor, its good fertilizer but how good can it be if it needs a flush inbetween every watering.. it'll go further, spread thinner i mean get more for your dollar but ive also found age old to be on the cheeper end of the liquid organic ferts. -i used the rest of my beasty blooms on anahime peppers with great results, and the chaching/opensesimy mixed togher for my tomatoes. ive used agfe old the last few seasons and cant shake it -i was talking to thebuddy of mine about dif organic ferts and anything beyond whats been used i think of trial and error -he agreed that we cant afford any error so we stick with age old bloom, i was thinking maby biobizz bloom cause of the molasses and kelp ingredients but its more expensive and i like results i get. also mix some guano in around this time -mocha guano 4-6-2, i found it last year while i was up in mendocino and then just found it searching online 10lb for like 20bucks (the folks at the greenhouse supply dais it was the best transition guano they had, they had soo many kinds i had to ask about them -used thoes guano packs in the past w/good responce)
keep in mind tiger bloom may not be forgiving as organic ferts may be, my age old was set at 50:1 in the young mixer/proportioner i just went through nutes too fast -way too fast and then had weeks where i found out i was empty and too another week to have it shiped here, the plants where never burnt just hunrgy when i kept irrigating w/o ferts -i mixed up some biogrow (2.2-.5-6.6) and earthjuice bloom (0-3-1) when i found they where hungry and i had only my indoor bio-juice ferts untill my order arrived. no hickups from the crop and they are loveing life, my first year i used FF ferts like yours (i used the 3 pack and big bloom, cant remember if i ran tiger bloom, i beleave i did -that was back in '06) and i had great taisting weed -even what hadent dried properly was very smooth, probly had to do with the strain too i just see what age old does on my partners ranch and now i walk in his footsteps.
AGE OLD GROW (12-6-6)
An odorless natural fertilizer with a 2-1 nitrogen ratio to enhance plant growth and vigor. It contains fish solubles, feather meal & colloidal phosphates. Micronutrients are derived from seaweed extract, borax and complex sugars.
AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
An odorless, natural, fast-acting phosphorus combination that encourages early growth, greater flowering and better fruit set. Soak seeds for higher germination rates. Soak roots for greater root mass and less trans-plant shock. Contains fish solubles, feather meal & colloidal phosphates. Micronutrients are derived from seaweed extracts, borax and complex sugars.
this is their kelp, its probly as cheep as maxicrop and has got mush lower NPK numbers -a gal is $30- that same as aquart of roots organics kelp or biobizz kelp @30 bucks a quart. i mix a quart per galloon with my first gallon of vegg and of bloom -i ran low on grow again and fed plants with a quart of this, put the green right back into the growth sites i just wish i get more liquid age old in storage. it sucks not being consistant or perdictable but atleast i know their a good amount of nitrogen allready in the soil, im gunna get a gallon of bloom later this month. AGE OLD KELP (.3-.25.15)
Liquid Kelp concentrate is the original soil and plant bio-stimulant. Apply as a soil drench to build soil tilth and restore biological life to damaged soils. Use as a foliar spray to improve nutrient uptake, provide needed micronutrients and combat a wide range of environmental stresses.
i ran a seed crop this spring on 1 gal of age old bloom and 1 quart of kelp, cost my less then 50 bucks with re-used ammended soil. i got hundreds of seeds and they are well developed, i just used close to the same nutes as last season. i got one seed from like 4 pounds of bud and it was tiger stiped and healthy soo i used age old again instead of biobloom -i have that for indoor perpetiual also amended with dr earth and kelp meal. i was most interested in a good fert for seed production, to get proper germ rates.
I use it BigTex. I buy it at walmart. You can go through a lot of fertilizer in august and sept. SuperBloom hits the spot.
I'm also a fan of Age Old Grow. I also use Earth Juice products, Grow & Bloom & Microblast. High nitrogen guano tea + molasses every other watering the first month works well. Also use an all purpose 16-16-16. For blooming I like Gravity, too. But I'm working at improving the soil instead of having to use too many ferts.
Has anyone here tried the Maxsea products??
Has anyone here tried the Maxsea products??
I love organic blood meal for nitrogen no burn and its 12-o-o is perfect. I use the big bloom to supplement. Only the tiger bloom is partically chemical. We used 31-0-0 nitrogen with rather poor results. The bloodmeal is by far the best and at 5$ a for 2.5lbs thats enough for a month of veg. check out these updated pic's
Going organic this year and I am really liking guanos. Bought the full Sunleaves kit and my plants are going strong. Also using Algamin (sea kelp) for potassium. I Iiked the simplicity of pre-ammending holes in the early spring and just leaving them there. But my plants are larger and healthier this year, and I think its because of the bi-weekly topdressing they've gotten.
First time using Age Old's Bloom, and really liking it. Alternating between that and the DTE P seabird guano. Plants respond quickly and love a good foilar feed of compost tea with addition of above the first few weeks. It won't hurt to spray a little on the forming buds. Be careful with that chaching, and others, very much salt-based...I've seen people ruin plants with it. Even the names turn me off. Good luck.
Maxsea etc.
Maxsea etc.
So I boughta small container of Maxsea 16-16-16 Grow & their 3-20-20 Bloom. I haven't used the Grow in about 2 weeks now but I'll tell you that the results were very good. Same with the Bloom formula.
I had second thoughts about using Chaching again, the numbers just don't seem right for use at the end of flowering.
So here's where I'm at now. I'm using the Maxsea Bloom + Cal-mag +Superthrive (for heat stress) and alternating with Beastie Bloom + EJ Micro +
EJ Catalyst. I also add in a little extra molasses into the mix. I'm very happy with the results! I'm thinking about using the Maxsea grow a couple more times only on the sativas as they're going to be out there longer. But I'm looking at cutting tops in a couple of weeks on some of the indicas. Things are really moving fast this season. We've already had the temp dpwn to 40 degrees at night, with 90+ days. For extra warmth I put straw down in a thin layer plus in all the walk-ways.
Speaking of the "blank spaces" you know I also water in fertilizers in the walkways. I started doing this a few years ago with good results.
Maxsea etc.
So I boughta small container of Maxsea 16-16-16 Grow & their 3-20-20 Bloom. I haven't used the Grow in about 2 weeks now but I'll tell you that the results were very good. Same with the Bloom formula.
I had second thoughts about using Chaching again, the numbers just don't seem right for use at the end of flowering.
So here's where I'm at now. I'm using the Maxsea Bloom + Cal-mag +Superthrive (for heat stress) and alternating with Beastie Bloom + EJ Micro +
EJ Catalyst. I also add in a little extra molasses into the mix. I'm very happy with the results! I'm thinking about using the Maxsea grow a couple more times only on the sativas as they're going to be out there longer. But I'm looking at cutting tops in a couple of weeks on some of the indicas. Things are really moving fast this season. We've already had the temp dpwn to 40 degrees at night, with 90+ days. For extra warmth I put straw down in a thin layer plus in all the walk-ways.
Speaking of the "blank spaces" you know I also water in fertilizers in the walkways. I started doing this a few years ago with good results.
3-20-20... i like those numbers. got to look into this.
I have also been using a bit of Earth Juice Microblast since I ran out of what I was using before. It does the trick.
beer batter
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Finally I've been on ageold bloom for a week or more, after a few weeks of nothing to feed threw irrigation and only the 10lb of mocha bat guano 4-6-2 for food. That def sucked not getting them enough consistency but id rather they got age old bloom the beginning of august and ill probly add a cup of biobizz-grow (100% molasses'2-. 1-6.6') to each gallon of age old grow/bloom used, earth juice micro blast is the next kelp based product I’m gunna use I liked age old liquid kelp but think microblast would do better indoors. Id probly use it more in transition and while the
Roots organics ancient amber is doing good things for me indoors and out, I use a liter/quart every other month or so outdoors in the Young-M/P mixer. Foliar feed more often and I continue to foliar from veg threw fruit set and while buds develop -indoors I’ve experimented last crop foliar feeding and adding it to the veg/bud recipes this crop I’ve got the largest GDP buds I’ve had indoors, its a great additive/foliar. One time I mixed 10ml AA and a 1/4tsp of age old kelp after a long hot day, they loved it but I don’t believe it supposed to be mixed as a foliar. I see earth juice microblast is also a foliar feed nutrient, could be better then ageold liquid kelp.
Most foliar applications are done at dusk but I have been using ancient amber 5ml per quart in the mornings with no problems, honestly I don’t know what effects it has with the green cure I'm using (humic/fulvic acids VS baking soda) ill give a few days before applying each of these. The last time I applied safer's cat killer was in the morning -some hairs where wilted by the 90f temps and full sun that came later after things dried up, this would of been reduced if I had misted the plants after application so the hairs where cleaned off. I could have avoided it entirely by spraying at night. I was thinking the morning dew would wet the hairs so the evening foliar wouldn’t burn the tips of the hairs the next day, I had also sprayed them down with 2tb per gallon of green cure to get as close to 3/4tbs I could.
I’ve been feeding this crop with 75:1 and with great results, last season was @ 100:1 and I'm liking 75:1. Looking at the dial I had it on the first notch up from 50:1 for a while, now I set it to the second notch up from 50:1 to be more frugal or thrifty just to slow my roll so we can order some more in good time and not run out. Next season will be set at the first notch up from 50:1 and left their -ill have a bunch of ageold grow/bloom on deck.
Also gotta give I big up to Dr earth starter fertilizer 2-4-2 (described as a compost activator on its box/bags) mixed with down to earth kelp meal 1-.1-2 for added micronutrients. Besides the usual compost that’s what I mixed in before planting, ill add extra kelp meal to everything but flowers to give a boost during early growth. Even mix these 2 with happy frog and ocean forest indoors, to start plants from early Feb. so they are huge transplants in may. I wanted to test how much I could use safely with these cuts I took in July, 1 cup per half gallon of soil so 3 cups for 1 bag of ocean forest. This stuff is totally safe for young starters and I even hit them with 15ml of food the first week or so in that mix, then back off to 10ml of 1:1 ageold grow: biobizz grow (12-6-6+2-.1-6.6) for budding indoors the past week or more I used 10ml ageold bloom + 10ml biobizz grow but the last 6-7 weeks was fed with earthjuice grow 15mlpergallon + 10ml per gallon of earth juice bloom and bio-bloom in the first few weeks until I ran dry. So theirs a few options I’m looking at, ageold bloom has got more nitrogen to keep things green and photosynthesis up, I know that Maui still purples with age-old bloom and 2 weeks or more of flush. I was thinking about adding bio-grow to boost K add some other good things at the risk of a bit more nitrogen, I will start my indoor threads and update them all with results on this ageold/bio-grow recipe.
Roots organics ancient amber is doing good things for me indoors and out, I use a liter/quart every other month or so outdoors in the Young-M/P mixer. Foliar feed more often and I continue to foliar from veg threw fruit set and while buds develop -indoors I’ve experimented last crop foliar feeding and adding it to the veg/bud recipes this crop I’ve got the largest GDP buds I’ve had indoors, its a great additive/foliar. One time I mixed 10ml AA and a 1/4tsp of age old kelp after a long hot day, they loved it but I don’t believe it supposed to be mixed as a foliar. I see earth juice microblast is also a foliar feed nutrient, could be better then ageold liquid kelp.
Most foliar applications are done at dusk but I have been using ancient amber 5ml per quart in the mornings with no problems, honestly I don’t know what effects it has with the green cure I'm using (humic/fulvic acids VS baking soda) ill give a few days before applying each of these. The last time I applied safer's cat killer was in the morning -some hairs where wilted by the 90f temps and full sun that came later after things dried up, this would of been reduced if I had misted the plants after application so the hairs where cleaned off. I could have avoided it entirely by spraying at night. I was thinking the morning dew would wet the hairs so the evening foliar wouldn’t burn the tips of the hairs the next day, I had also sprayed them down with 2tb per gallon of green cure to get as close to 3/4tbs I could.
I’ve been feeding this crop with 75:1 and with great results, last season was @ 100:1 and I'm liking 75:1. Looking at the dial I had it on the first notch up from 50:1 for a while, now I set it to the second notch up from 50:1 to be more frugal or thrifty just to slow my roll so we can order some more in good time and not run out. Next season will be set at the first notch up from 50:1 and left their -ill have a bunch of ageold grow/bloom on deck.
Also gotta give I big up to Dr earth starter fertilizer 2-4-2 (described as a compost activator on its box/bags) mixed with down to earth kelp meal 1-.1-2 for added micronutrients. Besides the usual compost that’s what I mixed in before planting, ill add extra kelp meal to everything but flowers to give a boost during early growth. Even mix these 2 with happy frog and ocean forest indoors, to start plants from early Feb. so they are huge transplants in may. I wanted to test how much I could use safely with these cuts I took in July, 1 cup per half gallon of soil so 3 cups for 1 bag of ocean forest. This stuff is totally safe for young starters and I even hit them with 15ml of food the first week or so in that mix, then back off to 10ml of 1:1 ageold grow: biobizz grow (12-6-6+2-.1-6.6) for budding indoors the past week or more I used 10ml ageold bloom + 10ml biobizz grow but the last 6-7 weeks was fed with earthjuice grow 15mlpergallon + 10ml per gallon of earth juice bloom and bio-bloom in the first few weeks until I ran dry. So theirs a few options I’m looking at, ageold bloom has got more nitrogen to keep things green and photosynthesis up, I know that Maui still purples with age-old bloom and 2 weeks or more of flush. I was thinking about adding bio-grow to boost K add some other good things at the risk of a bit more nitrogen, I will start my indoor threads and update them all with results on this ageold/bio-grow recipe.
I too used the Dr Earth in the starter mix. I was having problems in the past with plants being too root bound before planting in the ground, so I just beefed up the soil & didn't fert them until they were planted. Much better results as they weren't stuggling so hard in those 1 gal pots. And way bigger holes this year helped alot plus using the same additives in the soil to fill the holes. I think they adapted much faster, like comfort foods!
A couple years ago I tried Organics Alive for root mass. It worked well, but the 120 mile round trip just to get it plus keeping it cold was getting to be a hassle. I do believe that it helped save our crop from a nasty freeze the first week of sept as only the ones in boxes were the ones with the most damage.
But at $10/half gallon, there's better ways.
One thing I've noticed is that liquids just don't make it thru to next year without getting weird in the containers. So I only buy enough to get thru the season. With the dry ferts, they seem to make it okay. Now that I've found a local supply, I'll use more Age Old next season as I know I can use it all up.
So the girls are enjoying the labor day weekend flushing so far. I've been feeding them every other watering or so with milder doses this whole time. Only one plant got a little burn which is darn good. So we're getting to the home stretch now & the temptation to get things just a little bit bigger starts setting in! You've just got to know when to call it a day. Around here, it's when the acorns start falling & the trees stop drinking water is always a good sign to lay off the ferts.
I've really enjoyed this thread & all of the imput from y'all has been very helpful!
A couple years ago I tried Organics Alive for root mass. It worked well, but the 120 mile round trip just to get it plus keeping it cold was getting to be a hassle. I do believe that it helped save our crop from a nasty freeze the first week of sept as only the ones in boxes were the ones with the most damage.
But at $10/half gallon, there's better ways.
One thing I've noticed is that liquids just don't make it thru to next year without getting weird in the containers. So I only buy enough to get thru the season. With the dry ferts, they seem to make it okay. Now that I've found a local supply, I'll use more Age Old next season as I know I can use it all up.
So the girls are enjoying the labor day weekend flushing so far. I've been feeding them every other watering or so with milder doses this whole time. Only one plant got a little burn which is darn good. So we're getting to the home stretch now & the temptation to get things just a little bit bigger starts setting in! You've just got to know when to call it a day. Around here, it's when the acorns start falling & the trees stop drinking water is always a good sign to lay off the ferts.
I've really enjoyed this thread & all of the imput from y'all has been very helpful!
