Can Med Patients Ship To Each Other In The Same State?

[B. Self Reliant]

It is a myth that FedEx and UPS open packages without obtaining warrants. Do they need to technically? No, but SOP is still to get a warrant for suspicious packages, and to not open packages without one. Do some research, quit posting misinformation.

I'm just trying to convey the fact that there are the rules as written down on paper, and then there's the way things really are. I'm not trying to say that UPS or Fed Ex has the time or desire to to screen all their packages, but regardless of whether they open it, rip it off or report it to LEO, the sender is still fucked.

Quite honestly I think that there's two camps on this one, those who see mailing it as an acceptable risk and those who think it's an unnecessary risk. For me it's not worth worrying about the details, because it's undeniably a fairly large risk. If I have to worry about whether a company is going to get a warrant, steal from me or dispose of it, then that tells me that it's probably not a great idea.

 

[bbing]

What was the deficit # in our State budget again??? oh yeah;

compel parcel services or the failing us postal service to reconsider and look at the new market as a means to stimulate their bottom lines.

San Diego is a taking @200 M reaming in which general funds are gone w/o a plan. I could almost promise to fill the funding gap exclusively with canna-biz if they would get proactive and take a real leadership role.

ITO orig question; laws for xporting seeds is different and always has been. Therre was grey in there until the whole Emery scandal helped some interpret a more conservative prosecutoral nature of the law, as i used to understand it... being in possesion of seeds does not fall into controled subs, however, transporting them to U.S. carries the penalty
I may be wrong but i never hear seed counts at any busts, just the lbs please.

 

[medmaker420]

I find it funny how everyone jumps on the "make weed legal and the economy will be saved!"

Our economy is how it is for many reasons that cannot be fixed by legalizing or allowing herb sales. Until the system is actually fixed it really doesn't matter what money can or could be made tax wise.

TAX US!

lol

people have it so basackwards, and almost as backwards as obama himself.

 

[HighonPottery]

found these guys today off craigslist and it seems like they are mailing their meds to patients: http://www.rxpotshop.com/

i dunno how legal it is, but they are.

 

[quadracer]

found these guys today off craigslist and it seems like they are mailing their meds to patients: http://www.rxpotshop.com/

i dunno how legal it is, but they are.

There is a lot of wrong information on that site.

From the FAQ:

17. Is there a minimum age requirement to get a doctors recommendation?
YES - 18 years old.

Actually there is no age limit, but if you are under 18 you need parental approval.

18. Do you require a state ID card?
NO! California does not have one yet. We do accept "out of state" state issued medical marijuana ID cards.

What? California doesn't have a state I.D. card? WRONG. And California doesn't recognize out of state recommendations.

This place is going to be shut down real soon. Just watch.

As for the relevant information:

8. How is it delivered?
By private delivery courier in sealed brown box with shipping label, legal prescription bottle with complete label (small orders), bag and label for larger orders. Signature is required.

 

[4 Dragons]

Any mailing of marijuana or marijuana seeds through the US Postal Service is a federal offense, and that is how a lot of people get busted (sending pounds through the mail).

However, if you use a private carrier like UPS or Fedex, and you ship intrastate, it is legal. The only problem with that is they do not need a warrant to open your package, and the stoners who work there will take your marijuana and you will get an empty box.

It's really a lose/lose situation.

Correct information.

 

[mexilandrace]

It is a myth that FedEx and UPS open packages without obtaining warrants. Do they need to technically? No, but SOP is still to get a warrant for suspicious packages, and to not open packages without one. Do some research, quit posting misinformation.

I worked at UPS, I saw some crazy shit go on, boxes ripped open on the box line by machinery, the line stopped cops called in.

suspicious packages can be opened by the managers and by the the line's clerk.

no warrant needed or even thought about twice. On my life what I am saying is completely true.

 

[Blue Dot]

I find it funny how everyone jumps on the "make weed legal and the economy will be saved!"

Our economy is how it is for many reasons that cannot be fixed by legalizing or allowing herb sales. Until the system is actually fixed it really doesn't matter what money can or could be made tax wise.

TAX US!

lol

people have it so basackwards, and almost as backwards as obama himself.

You're only partly right but mostly wrong.

In the latest state budget agreement CA decided to slash 6 BILLON for schools and only 1 BILLON for prisons.

Guess who runs this state, the prison guard union!

And since ~46% of those in prsion are there for some relation to a MJ offense it's SAFE to say that legalizing MJ will benefit the state in a small part by the tax revenue but in a MUCH larger part by the BILLONS we could slash from the prison unions.

Imagine how much the state could save by incarcerating half as many as they do now.

This originates all the way from the cop who's paid to catch these guys, the DA's who's paid to prosecute, the judge who's paid to rule, the prisons who are paid to house, to the parole employees paid to check up on them.

Imagine if all those people I just cited had their jobs reduced by HALF!!!

 

[NOYB]

However, if you use a private carrier like UPS or Fedex, and you ship intrastate, it is legal.

No it's not legal.

 

[burns1n209]

I have shipped bud about 40 times across country with no problems at all. The trick that i have found is you have to ship ups red or fedex over night/next day whatever gets it there the fastest. The reason i believe this works the best is it changes hands alot less then 1 that is shipped ground. Less hands to touch, better off your chances are. when you ship overnight, it goes from ups store, to plane, to house in less then 24. I also package it up right before i go into the store for freshness. longer weed sits in bags, the more smell that gets out. I have found this to be very effective, 1 thing i would recommend when going to ship is, to be sure you have a fake name and return address ready to give the clerk. that way incase somethign does go wrong, they wont have a way back to you. Shipping overnight is very exspensive also, cost me 60 to 80 each time for just an oz. just my 2 cents hope it helps out.. good luck!

 

[deltronZER0]

there is an exhaustive thread on this, called profiling postal packages, should you choose to go ahead with shipping, the thread will tell you all the red flags you should avoid when preparing your package

 

[Blue Dot]

there is an exhaustive thread on this, called profiling postal packages, should you choose to go ahead with shipping, the thread will tell you all the red flags you should avoid when preparing your package

The question never was whether a package would be profiled, or for that matter intercepted but rather was it legal to use shipping.

Afterall, if it was legal it wouldn't matter if it were profiled or intercepted as the shipper would have to let it pass through by law.

 

[Pythagllio]

I worked at UPS, I saw some crazy shit go on, boxes ripped open on the box line by machinery, the line stopped cops called in.

suspicious packages can be opened by the managers and by the the line's clerk.

no warrant needed or even thought about twice. On my life what I am saying is completely true.

Care to share why they ever bother getting a search warrant?

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/32/32.F3d.395.93-3273.93-3236.html

On February 3, 1992, Phyllis Salts delivered a duffel bag to United Parcel Service (UPS) in Ottumwa, Iowa, for delivery to Timothy Parker in California, and insured it for $4,000.00. UPS opened the package to ensure it was packed correctly pursuant to its standard policy of inspecting packages insured for more than $1,000.00. UPS discovered $4,000.00 cash in the package and notified the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). The DEA did not inspect the package but asked UPS to ship the package and notify them of any return package to the Ottumwa area from the vicinity of the California address.
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On February 7, 1992, UPS notified the DEA of a return package. The unopened package was delivered by UPS to the DEA office where a drug dog tried to open the package, indicating the package contained narcotics. The police obtained a search warrant, opened the package and discovered over 100 grams of methamphetamine and a note to "Billy" from "Tim" which stated "Hi! You'll like it. The white is better as far as I'm concerned, but this is pretty good. 16 X 4 equals 6,400." Timothy Parker's fingerprints were found on the note.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavtx/1458931.txt

The record discloses that on
November 6, 1991, Detective A. B. Byrum (Byrum) of the Virginia
Beach Police Department received information from a special agent
of the United States Customs Service that a suspected package of
marijuana was being shipped via United Parcel Service (UPS) to
Walter Lee Cherry at 3021 Gentry Road, Virginia Beach, Virginia.
That address is appellant's home.
When the package arrived at the Virginia Beach UPS office,
the police were advised. A trained narcotics search dog was
taken to that office and alerted on the package. Pursuant to the
dog's alert, a warrant to search the package was procured.

http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/98/04/971636U.pdf
According to the trial testimony, after law enforcement officials executed a search warrant on a package sent through United Parcel Service (UPS) and found six one-pound plastic-wrapped bundles of methamphetamine, officials allowed the package to be picked up by the addressee--a Mark Davis. On May 8, 1996, Held and codefendant Teresa Ann Carman came to the UPS office to pick up the package, and were told it had mistakenly been placed on the delivery truck; they were told they could
retrieve the package later that day. That afternoon, Held returned for the package, signed “Mark Davis,” and left. Police officers then arrested Held and Carman, who was waiting in a car outside.

Here's someone else who says they work for UPS, who says the opposite of what you claim:

http://forum.grasscity.com/general-...588-ups-not-safe-way-ship-mj.html#post2154655

UPS is still the safest shipping company to ship with. We do not search any packages. Period. I work for UPS. The only time a package gets intercepted is when there is a search warrant for a particular package, in which case it in handed over.

The only other way to get busted with UPS is to have your package rip open somewhere due to poor packaging. Even so, we are supposed to keep our mouths' shut, retape it, and send it on its way.

Ive come across packages full of pills quite frequently.

I honestly dont know what FedEx policy is regarding packages. but you cant get more descrete and UPS. they are the most expensive shipping company however.

One last link, that states UPS company policy:

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/2000/2000-October/017969.html

Several months later, state and local police showed up unexpectedly at a UPS package-handling facility in Cincinnati to look for drugs, angering UPS officials. In response to incidents like that one, Atlanta-based UPS issued new guidelines in May 1998 that sharply restricted police access to its parcel-handling facilities, according to an internal company memo. The rules required police to get a search warrant or subpoena to search any suspicious item, to make appointments to search for drug packages and to stay out of the way of UPS employees.

Now, please show me a case of someone getting busted from sending a package via FedEx or UPS where a warrant wasn't issued. I could continue listing cases where they went and got them until you cried from scrolling through the text. Yes, yes, if the machinery rips open the package and the contents are plain to see, maybe it's a different story. But I'll bet dollars to dirt that after the cops were called in relation to what you posted, they got a search warrant before they fucked with the package.

 

[Blue Dot]

The point is the interstate commerce clause is bullshit.

Anything could conceivably cross state lines and would therefore be accountable under fed law but there ARE some things that CAN be kept INTRASTATE and should ONLY therefore be accountable under state law and nothing else.

I mean if CA Overnight ONLY ships INTRASTATE how can congress say that they MAY ship interstate, it makes no logical sense.

If the interstate commerce clause doesn't scream Big Brother, what does?

 

[mexilandrace]

blah blah blah

the employess don't need warrants the cops do, at the point a manager or clerk finds something suspicious and opens the package and there is something in it that is illegal then sure the cops can get a warrant.

point was the employees don't need any of that, and if they call the cops and say we found weed or coke or whatever that's probable cause.

I know what I saw happen, I don't need to google it.

frankly, I don't care if you believe me at this point, you don't want to, and you would rather be right than safe. cool.

If a manager want to open a package they will, if they want to call the cops they will, the warrant shit you quoted or whatever is a complete non issue. I wasn't talking about the cops, and at the point an employee at UPS calls the cops you're fucked.

 

[Ocean Grown]

No warrant is needed to open a USPS mail UNLESS it's First Class mail.
Only First Class mail is considered "privileged". Source - www.usps.com or gov
No common carriers -such as UPS, FEDEX- shipment is considered privileged, so any package can be opened. It's on any carriers terms and conditions.

Post Offices are considered by Federal law (DHS) to be "points of embarkation" meaning anything you mail is considered to be a possible shipment to another state or country.

There is no true legal way to mail any cannabis. But it's commonly used.

Do you want to know what UPS says? Go to UPS and get it from the horses mouth direct:
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/service.html?WT.svl=Footer

"UPS reserves the right in its sole discretion to open and inspect any package tendered to it for transportation, but is not required to do so." - page 10
You agree to the terms by shipping a package.

"Inspection of Shipments
We may, at our sole discretion, open and inspect any shipment without notice."
-FEDEX http://images.fedex.com/us/services/pdf/Service_Guide_2009.pdf page 122

Much has changed since the formation of the Dept. of homeland (in)security.

 

[NOYB]

No it's not legal.

Since you gave me negative rep for this post Quadracer prove to me and others that it is legal to use UPS or FedEx when shipping something med orientated like dried flowers or cuts/clones intrastate...eh? How does either UPS or FedEx know it's from one 'legal' med patient to another for starters? Do you honestly think UPS or FedEx will knowingly transport such goods?

 

[Ocean Grown]

found these guys today off craigslist and it seems like they are mailing their meds to patients: http://www.rxpotshop.com/

i dunno how legal it is, but they are.

It's hard to be legal when you are breaking the law.

These guys can't make up their minds on which laws to break and which ones to follow. As if an out of state card makes for a legal sale in Cali?

It's like a dispensary with a front door for legal patients and a back door for illicit sales. Sort of hard to defend that at trial.

 

[Pythagllio]

mexilandrace, no I wouldn't rather be 'right than safe'. But if you think the word of an anonymous Internet poster should sway me over the citations I've provided I don't know what to say. All you've said that you saw is packages opened by machine fuckups. It's silly to think that the USPS has no machine fuckups, or that there would be no investigation were that to happen in a USPS facility.

Anyway, my point was that USPS isn't any safer than UPS/FedEx because 'a warrant is required' as some people seem to think. If the workers at UPS can tell what's in a package the workers at USPS can as well. Both outfits will get a warrant. In one case it's required by law, in one case by company policy. The results are identical to the recipient.

If you think USPS is safer than UPS/FedEx you're the one who would rather be 'right'.