j2criticalMASS
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IF MY WIDOW AND CRITICAL MASS AREN'T FLUSHED FOR AT LEAST 2 WEEKS THE TASTE IS SEVERELY LACKING THE TASTE YOU WANT ABD LEARN TO LOVE NOT CHEMICAL TASTE, 2 WEEK FLUSH IS A MUST NO MATTER WHAT.
REMINDER for those who dont FLUSH
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j2criticalMASS
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MY BLUEBERRY AND CHRONIC ARE DIFF. I HAD TO CHOP UNACCEPTED CUZ MY EX WAS F****N WITH ME SO THEY CAME DOWN, THERE DONE BUT I LIKE TO FLUSH FIRST BUT THESE TASTE, AND SMELL, SO FRUITY AND THEY HAVE NO HARSH CHEMICAL TASTE .IF YOU LET THE BB GO TO FULL MATURITY THEY TURN SO PUPLE THEY LOOK BLACK WITH WITH COVERED TRICHS UNREAL PICS TOO FOLLOW LATER TODAY
How long do you dry and then cure your bud for after flushing?
Btw - your caps lock key is over on the left side of the keyboard, in the middle.
TheCheeseMan
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it is kinda hard to read, especially when your stonedi didnt really flush my plants last harvest beacuse i had to unexpectedly chop em early. I can deffinatly tell it lacks taste, but i think the worst part is that its harsh on the throat even after a full month cure.
i guess you live and learn, I'll do a 2 week flush next time for sure, hopefully no security problems arise this time
J
JackTheGrower
I am on the no need to "flush" or flood the soil team but, What we all agree on is to not "feed" in the end. That I agree 100% makes for better smoke.
For those with lush plants full of healthy leaves, they can ride easy the last month IMO..
"Healthy honeys" full of what it takes to interact with the Rizosphere is what I aim for. I take care to supply what I want the biologicals to eat for the results I get and I am learning all the time.
I do not depend on formula products. Hell I don't use formula products.. I even avoid buying my kelp and fish mixed together..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizosphere_(ecology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_food_web
To each there own style but in the argument of organic soil needs to be flushed to get smooth smoke? The answer is no. Plain and simple..
Jack
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deathtosoapbar
Yep jack i can agree to a point...in that if you dont overfeed then there isnt the same need to flush...but the reason im sayin to flush is incase newbies come on here and think "oh i dont need to flush" while they are pummelling the plant with nutrients thinkin more nutrients = more yield which obviously isnt true, basically theres no harm in feeding a plant plain water for last 2 or 3 weeks
bbing
Active member
This conversation has wandered in a couple of directions; running formulated nutrient in water medium has a very disparate result than soil/coco/ mediums.
ITO water mediums:
There has been a general consensus over the years that "flushing" your plants grown in water mediums is the way to go for most. I run the most basic 2 part GH (Lucas ratio) beginning to end w/o a resevoir change. As the plant matures, you can observe diminishing levels of nutrient uptake and increasing levels of "drinking" water uptake for respiration. Each strain, perhaps does this at different times to different levels but it happens to some effect with most. I just try to match what the plant natural feed cycle is and during the dying days of fruit production, I use RO adds to achieve the dilution that seems to match. The better i get at "the match" the more momentum the plants seems to get in finishing.
Sometimes i cant discern between an unflushed plant and an unfinished one.
ITO soil & Coco; the need is greatly diminished as the plant has better ion exchange at the root level and can better regulate nutrient uptake and respiration. I guess my experience has been Coco is somewhere inbetween.
ITO water mediums:
There has been a general consensus over the years that "flushing" your plants grown in water mediums is the way to go for most. I run the most basic 2 part GH (Lucas ratio) beginning to end w/o a resevoir change. As the plant matures, you can observe diminishing levels of nutrient uptake and increasing levels of "drinking" water uptake for respiration. Each strain, perhaps does this at different times to different levels but it happens to some effect with most. I just try to match what the plant natural feed cycle is and during the dying days of fruit production, I use RO adds to achieve the dilution that seems to match. The better i get at "the match" the more momentum the plants seems to get in finishing.
Sometimes i cant discern between an unflushed plant and an unfinished one.
ITO soil & Coco; the need is greatly diminished as the plant has better ion exchange at the root level and can better regulate nutrient uptake and respiration. I guess my experience has been Coco is somewhere inbetween.
What would be considered pummeling exactly? I definitely consider myself a newbie especially in term of nutrient supplementation. I am have been using the complete line up of FF products going by their nute schedule. I am currently using 1/2 of their recommended dose which is 1tsp of Tiger Bloom, 1/2tbls of Big Bloom and 1/4tsp of Cha Ching per gallon of water. This is soil btw
After reading your post, I'm kinda concerned that I should actually flush and/or quit using the nutes for the last bit of their lives. Is 1/2 the dose still considered high for the FF line?
This thread has such hard line opinions it's hard to tell from a newbie standpoint, where to go.
On one side, people say that you're starving the plant and robbing itself of the final burst of resin and bud production and it doesn't affect taste
You then have people who say the smoke is harsh and unpleasant if a flush and/or subsequent water only diet is not employed but maybe I missed the part where they disagreed with that final growth and resin production.
I'll have to search to see if anyone has made a poll about this and look at the responses. If one hasn't, maybe we should do this to get a more clear cut answer?
I did NOT flush my first harvest, though I *DID* back my nutes off toward the end. (Not completely gone... just dropped it down gradually the last four or five waterings). I'm drying now. I'll post results when they're cured.
I was in a similar boat to you. In reading a lot of threads like this, I came to the conclusion that a large majority of people seem to be in the "you MUST FLUSH" camp, but also that a large majority of the people in that camp do not have any kind of science behind their reason. They tell you it must be done because someone told them it must be done.
In the "Don't bother flushing" camp, people seem to have a REASON for not doing it. And that reason has been consistently more convincing to ME than the "you better flush" reasoning has. The only way to really know for yourself would be to:
- Grow four clones of one plant
- Flush two
- Chop all at same time
- Take one of the flushed and one of the not flushed and cure them. Don't cure one flushed and one not flushed
See whether:
- The flushed ones smoke smoother right after drying
- The flushed ones cure better
- The un-flushed yield better/more potent
- The un-flushed cure is noticeably harsher than flushed cure
J
Joe Budden
So who here thinks that Hydro is better than organic, I personally prefer organic but some hydro bud I've tasted is top notch, none of the commercial stuff is but I know a few decent growers that take care and their bud is equal if not better than organic.
J
Joe Budden
I meant to say, hydro nutes give the plants specific nutes and don't have any 'extra material' that your plants don't need, organics on the other hand have got unwanted material, I know Soma lives by bat guano and he swears that it has a positive effect on the aroma of the bud, what do you think?
Hey Now,
"If you don't over feed" If you growing in a container, just look at all the different types of ferts folks use? O.K. don't flush all that shit out- maybe you can't taste it but it's there.
If you start with good soil and feed it at critical times you should be set.
Taking the plants to the sink and flushing the container out in the last month is a good idea.
I get renewed growth spurt, once it dries out. Yellowing leaves-golden leaves, I think they taste good myself.
If you learn what to taste for you will never smoke unflushed weed again. I can tell & it makes me cough . Paper turns black around the corona too. I find feeding it straight water the last month after a good rinse works great. I also don't water during the last 2-3 weeks. I've tried the darkness, it did bring out the trics. I think that's a key indicator of quality and readiness the Trics.
Lesh is more- you really don't need the wide array of ferts that I see on here.
I don't know what you think your growing- good soil and good watering practices work wonders.
One Love
"If you don't over feed" If you growing in a container, just look at all the different types of ferts folks use? O.K. don't flush all that shit out- maybe you can't taste it but it's there.
If you start with good soil and feed it at critical times you should be set.
Taking the plants to the sink and flushing the container out in the last month is a good idea.
I get renewed growth spurt, once it dries out. Yellowing leaves-golden leaves, I think they taste good myself.
If you learn what to taste for you will never smoke unflushed weed again. I can tell & it makes me cough . Paper turns black around the corona too. I find feeding it straight water the last month after a good rinse works great. I also don't water during the last 2-3 weeks. I've tried the darkness, it did bring out the trics. I think that's a key indicator of quality and readiness the Trics.
Lesh is more- you really don't need the wide array of ferts that I see on here.
I don't know what you think your growing- good soil and good watering practices work wonders.
One Love
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deathtosoapbar
No i dont say flush because "somebody" has told me to, its based on a real reason...the main one being in the last few weeks if you deprive the plant of nutrients it is then forced to use the nutrients within the plant as is seen when the fan leaves turn a yellow autumn color...when someone says a plant is finished but the fan leaves are dark green...it just isnt going to be as smooth as flushed weed...when i mean flushed i dont mean running gallons of water suddenly through the pot...i mean gradually over 2 -3 weeks just giving plain water in a normal amount...flushing helps rid the nitrogen from the plant that gives it a harsher taste...however if you use mandala mikes light feeding program a flush is less important
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deathtosoapbar
By pummelling with nutrients i mean for example...if you followed the instructions to the letter on bio bizz grow and bloom nutrients (which i did once
) you ll find it a nasty harsh smoke because its saying feed on EVERY watering a high amount...i dont use commercial ferts now just compost, kelp , and other organic ammendments to the soil...and its easier because the plant is being fed by whats already in the soil...basically if your using ferts and your soil is good id feed them only once a week and only if needed ,if you feed quarter of the strength of waht it says on the bottle it will still work just as wellRustylions
Member
Hi all,
I may be new to the game but as I am well toasted this just popped into my head.
The people that sell fertilisers (canna, gh, etc) are telling you to flush.
That is they are telling you to use less of their product.
Not many companies tell you to use less of their products unless they believe that in telling you to use more it will be detrimental to their products reputation due to reports of poor taste or yield.
So in my very humble opinion flushing with chemical nutes as mentioned above seems to be a good idea.
RL
I may be new to the game but as I am well toasted this just popped into my head.
The people that sell fertilisers (canna, gh, etc) are telling you to flush.
That is they are telling you to use less of their product.
Not many companies tell you to use less of their products unless they believe that in telling you to use more it will be detrimental to their products reputation due to reports of poor taste or yield.
So in my very humble opinion flushing with chemical nutes as mentioned above seems to be a good idea.
RL
In the portion of my post that you quoted and were responding to, I said "Most people who flush" not "ALL PEOPLE who flush".
I am not an expert. I don't have hundreds of (or even 2) successful grows under my belt. I am not trying to say that I know definitively that flushing is bad or good. What I did say was that in my reading in this thread and others, the people who are presenting scientifically acquired data are almost entirely on the DON'T FLUSH side. The DO FLUSH side seems to be largely using anecdotal or personal experience.
That being said, I backed my nutes off in the last few weeks but I did not remove them entirely. Many of my fan leaves yellowed and fell off. In my trimming of the harvest, there were very few fan leaves to trim. The few that WERE there were yellowing or yellowed (or purple). But there was still presumably some fert in the soil (it was MG soil and the whole process from new soil to harvest was about 3 months) and I had been feeding with "Bloom" and Superthrive since going 12/12 on that ass, with a few additional feedings of nitrogen here and there during the process. Even at the LAST WATERING before cut, I gave them 1/4 ferts. Still drying. Can't speak for the taste or smokability yet.
I'm curious how someone that was running Moonshine mix (where you pre-mix your ferts in the soil prior to planting and then just water with plain water throughout the grow) would even TRY to flush their plants? Anybody out there that can field this one?
TheGreatBC
Member
"Plants such as cannabis break down organic pollutants and stabilize metal contaminants by acting as filters or traps. "Hemp is proving to be one of the best phyto-remediative plants we have been able to find," said Slavik Dushenkov, a research scientist with Phytotech."
``Research by the Polish Institute of Natural Fibres released in 1995 showed that high levels of heavy metals in soil do not impair cannabis growth, and that yield and fibre quality do not differ from those obtained on regular soils.``
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1445.html
Seems to me that metals and other contaminants from fertilizers could easily be stored in the cannabis fiber and end up in the final product. From personal observation I have noticed properly flushed bud taste better, and produces white ash. While bud that has not been flushed crackles and pops, smokes harsh, and produces dark sticky ash.
``Research by the Polish Institute of Natural Fibres released in 1995 showed that high levels of heavy metals in soil do not impair cannabis growth, and that yield and fibre quality do not differ from those obtained on regular soils.``
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1445.html
Seems to me that metals and other contaminants from fertilizers could easily be stored in the cannabis fiber and end up in the final product. From personal observation I have noticed properly flushed bud taste better, and produces white ash. While bud that has not been flushed crackles and pops, smokes harsh, and produces dark sticky ash.
My bud burns to a white ash when flushed. Most dispensary bud burns to a grey or black ash, unless it's really primo. If you're going to vend, vend meds that burn to white ash please.
SweetnSourMad
Member
I think most people have a hard time hearing that all the time they've spent flushing there buds only made their herb less potent along with a smaller yield. I believe that if you use chem ferts or synthesized ferts throughout the plants life, then some partial flushing may be utilized, but only at signs of nute burn. I stop using N high ferts during flowering, and only use ferts when my plants tell me they need them.
Less is always more IMO, but to each their own. Take the advice or not, but without scientific research and proof, your just taking some old hippies advice and furthering the myths about growing herb. The proof is in the pudding, and if you have weak genetics, poor dry and cure, than it will be harsh smoke, period! You've already spent 2+ months on your babies, just wait a bit more and do a good job drying and curing your bud SLOWLY.
I haven't done a real flush since I started, and the only buds that become harsh were from following FoxFarm's feeding schedule to the dot...this is not a good way to grow IMO, because they want you to use more, so you buy more. Learn what your plants want out of life, and use common sense. I read one persons grow report, and he said he didn't use hardly any, if any at all, ferts w/ nitrogen during flowering, because they should turn yellow and orange and red(fall colors/harvest time) due to the natural life cycle of plants, they mature and die. Hope this helps anyone wondering about flushing being super important.
Less is always more IMO, but to each their own. Take the advice or not, but without scientific research and proof, your just taking some old hippies advice and furthering the myths about growing herb. The proof is in the pudding, and if you have weak genetics, poor dry and cure, than it will be harsh smoke, period! You've already spent 2+ months on your babies, just wait a bit more and do a good job drying and curing your bud SLOWLY.
I haven't done a real flush since I started, and the only buds that become harsh were from following FoxFarm's feeding schedule to the dot...this is not a good way to grow IMO, because they want you to use more, so you buy more. Learn what your plants want out of life, and use common sense. I read one persons grow report, and he said he didn't use hardly any, if any at all, ferts w/ nitrogen during flowering, because they should turn yellow and orange and red(fall colors/harvest time) due to the natural life cycle of plants, they mature and die. Hope this helps anyone wondering about flushing being super important.
Kushed
Member
I think its a tossup, and totatly depends on strain, grow style, nutes, and lots of other factors. Like my bubba it tastes sooooo good with a nice two week flush but ive taken it also with no flush and it develops a diff taste but not bad.
At the same time ive grown a strain that if not flushed its just bunk, even with a month cure still harsh and nappy. I urge everyone to just try it themselfs and see the results, if your growing enough a flush isnt going to inflict your yield that bad.
At the same time ive grown a strain that if not flushed its just bunk, even with a month cure still harsh and nappy. I urge everyone to just try it themselfs and see the results, if your growing enough a flush isnt going to inflict your yield that bad.
