journeyquest
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It doesnt look like anyone offers a feminized chronic. Why is this? This seems to be a good overall strain.
Chronic fem
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bass ackwards
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Simon,at serious seeds has been working on other projects. Feminized seeds sre not a priority for him. Look for a new strain coming from him this fall.
Mr.Jones
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because feminized seeds are only interessting for small scale growers who cant afford to have males in their crop or outdoor growers witht the same problem - since the chronic is neither for small scales nor for outdoors there is no need of producing feminized seeds 
in my opinion feminized seeds are low quality seeds or are cheap rip-offs - you want the real deal: buy regular (just what i think)
in my opinion feminized seeds are low quality seeds or are cheap rip-offs - you want the real deal: buy regular (just what i think)
Why isnt chronic for small scale growers, i grew it on 0,5m²?
IMO fem is crap, i only buy regular. I think its sad that some companies dont even offer certain strains as regular seeds anymore.
IMO fem is crap, i only buy regular. I think its sad that some companies dont even offer certain strains as regular seeds anymore.
I hope he never delves into fems.
Yes i actually have a lot of respect for this company that they didnt jump on the fem bandwagon.
Unfortunately i read somewhere on icmag that they supposedly plan to release fem seeds too. The market demands it...
Mr.Jones
Active member
yeah its too bad that all the real good growers just buy maybe buy 2-5 packs of regular seeds, select them and keep a good mother while the beginners just buy seeds for growing one round and then buy the next one ... its good for them to choose the feminized seeds and i do understand it but well - never bought feminized seeds and hopefully never will (since some strains are just available fem. i cant sy never i guess)
J
Jydsk
Mainstream companies will make exactly what the consumer wants or else they're not smart businessmen and they will slowly fade unless they can offer something other companies don't have (niche production).
So if the consumer wants yellow polka dot pot...someone will make it i bet.....well you'se get my point i hope
So if the consumer wants yellow polka dot pot...someone will make it i bet.....well you'se get my point i hope
B
bombdotcom
i dont honestly believe that statement that feminized seeds are lower quality than regular seeds. what evidence do you have to back that up?
i like my male plants .when i was growing i rarely seen a male .i had such a good environment i was kicking out females left and right. pluse i like making me back up seeds so as to not order the same plant over and over.like i have a pack of serious seed bubblegum and ak47 that i need to cross .i love all serious seeds .i also haqve 10 seeds left of chronic
to grow .ther is a grape pheno that kicks ass.i get a major whitey when smoking this one pheno of chronic it smells and tast like grape jelly.
to grow .ther is a grape pheno that kicks ass.i get a major whitey when smoking this one pheno of chronic it smells and tast like grape jelly.
Mr.Jones
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producing feminized seeds it usually takes a female plant to hermie to get so called "female pollen" - seeds from such a hermie plant tend to hermie a lot more than from a ususall breeding project - you can hardly repruduce seeds from femalse seeds and if done one is facing the same problem in the f1 (or f2 if f1 is the one from the breeder) because of the need to let his plants hermie too! feminized is good for the breeders because it kind of saves their genetics from beeing rebreed in new quality variations but i find that very sad!
I am of the firm opinion that those who throw rocks at femminized seeds are going by emotional conclusions alone, and don't really have anything scientific to back up their arguments.
There is as much chance of providing hermie prone seeds using the regular method as there is by forcing a fem to produce male flowers and pollen and breeding that way.
A female that is true breeding and does not carry the hermie trait will not produce male flowers with simple stress techniques like light manipulation...it must be chemically stressed for it to produce the pollen.
I am also of the belief that if a breeder is using two separate females that are both true breeding for the hermie trait, he is producing seeds that are far more likely to be non-hermie than if he used a male. Unless a breeder has gone through years of painstaking selection for a true breeding male, his chances of introducing a latent hermie gene are far greater than when he used the two true breeding fems.
IMO, stones are more warranted thrown at those who do not choose males as painstakingly as they choose females. And also those who chuck at a nice pheno without the consideration if it should be used for breeding or not.
No, there is no more chance of selfed seeds being hermie than regular seeds have.
Femminized seeds being a bad deal is only in the minds of those who really don't know what proper breeding is all about.
Now, here comes the rain from those who consider themselves experts, but continuously throw stones at femminized seeds. (shrug) oh well....
There is as much chance of providing hermie prone seeds using the regular method as there is by forcing a fem to produce male flowers and pollen and breeding that way.
A female that is true breeding and does not carry the hermie trait will not produce male flowers with simple stress techniques like light manipulation...it must be chemically stressed for it to produce the pollen.
I am also of the belief that if a breeder is using two separate females that are both true breeding for the hermie trait, he is producing seeds that are far more likely to be non-hermie than if he used a male. Unless a breeder has gone through years of painstaking selection for a true breeding male, his chances of introducing a latent hermie gene are far greater than when he used the two true breeding fems.
IMO, stones are more warranted thrown at those who do not choose males as painstakingly as they choose females. And also those who chuck at a nice pheno without the consideration if it should be used for breeding or not.
No, there is no more chance of selfed seeds being hermie than regular seeds have.
Femminized seeds being a bad deal is only in the minds of those who really don't know what proper breeding is all about.
Now, here comes the rain from those who consider themselves experts, but continuously throw stones at femminized seeds. (shrug) oh well....
Mr.Jones
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okay well - i have to admit since i never used fem. seeds i cant jave a founded opinion on experience but thats what many people are saying and having problems with (just from read stuff) - never said fem. seeds are useless but its pretty easy for the seedcompanys to offer a product that is not reproduceable ...
i have also read threads (i think from sam but dont kill me if not) that very valuable genetic parts are lost if not using a male to breed with!
doing some further reading many people are coming across more herms than they did using regular seeds ...
there must be a genetical diffrence between breeding with a male and just female!
2ezy
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Who really cares? If someone wants fem seeds, give em fem seeds. There is a big market for fem seeds and if breeders want to sell fem seeds I don't see what the problem is. Not everyone wants to be a breeder..
As for Chronic, it is a good overall strain indeed,though you may read some negative statements about it. You won't read too many bad things about it when IT IS GROWN WELL.
PS Looks like I finally have to change avatars after a few years fuk it
As for Chronic, it is a good overall strain indeed,though you may read some negative statements about it. You won't read too many bad things about it when IT IS GROWN WELL.
PS Looks like I finally have to change avatars after a few years fuk it
Of course there is a "genetical" difference, XX vs XY.
The hermie trait is brought about by selection (or non-selection if you will). This doesn't matter if we are using females and males, or just females.
I am also with SamS that there may well be some genetic material that is carried by males only that we may be missing out on when we stress a female for our pollen. But, that is nothing more than speculation from the learned. It is not a case in fact. And SamS will say the same thing, I'm certain.
Evidence that is right in front of us says that not using the true male is not a problem, but it takes research to know for certain all the ins and outs of the procedure.
Consider this...what if the hermie trait is mainly carried by the male of the species? If this is truly the case (and it's very likely to hold some truth) then chosing true breeding females exclusively for breeding could help to eliminate hermie from the gene pool.
Now that man has control of cannabis, ridding the hermie trait is a good thing...for man...
If it weren't for the hermie trait, I suspect we would have FAR fewer variety of cannabis on the planet.
As it is, cannabis is one of the most self-sustaining plants there are..and it's the hermie trait that must take credit.
The hermie trait is brought about by selection (or non-selection if you will). This doesn't matter if we are using females and males, or just females.
I am also with SamS that there may well be some genetic material that is carried by males only that we may be missing out on when we stress a female for our pollen. But, that is nothing more than speculation from the learned. It is not a case in fact. And SamS will say the same thing, I'm certain.
Evidence that is right in front of us says that not using the true male is not a problem, but it takes research to know for certain all the ins and outs of the procedure.
Consider this...what if the hermie trait is mainly carried by the male of the species? If this is truly the case (and it's very likely to hold some truth) then chosing true breeding females exclusively for breeding could help to eliminate hermie from the gene pool.
Now that man has control of cannabis, ridding the hermie trait is a good thing...for man...
If it weren't for the hermie trait, I suspect we would have FAR fewer variety of cannabis on the planet.
As it is, cannabis is one of the most self-sustaining plants there are..and it's the hermie trait that must take credit.
Mr.Jones
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well i just repeated what i read and didnt creat any kind of theories on my own - and i have read many times from diffrent people that the numbers of herms looking at fem. seeds is a lot higher than it was when they grew regular seeds -this leads me to the conclusion that fem. seeds have a higher hermie count as regular seeds ... im not throwing the stones - im just telling the storie of stones already thrown
you are building up theories which have no evidence at all - never heard of a lower herm count looking of a fem. seed generation! i mean it sounds interessting and maybe even true but dont tell me:
and do throw stones back at regular seeds based on theories which are highly questionable! if you could proove this based on a project comparing two strains with the same name - one fem. and one regular - with maybe 100 plants each kind of seeds i would be satisfied. but please dont tell people they are self considered experts but start beeing one yourself: sure you might know a lot more than i do since im a pretty new in the whole cannabis thing.
i never would consider to call myself an expert especialy not on this ground where i just did some reading and can repeat what ive read ...
and herms are not bad at all (have to i think feminized hindu kush in my garden too (accidently pollinated))
If you want to pursue this at that angle, then let me reply by saying that I highly doubt you can show me even one thread that describes a person having a higher rate of hermies when growing a fem strain vs a regular strain. Now, this would have to be a controlled or semi controlled situation, and be the breeder's/seed creator's info, not the info from a grower of someone else's seeds.
It's folks providing what they think they remember as stories, that gets things all screwed up and rumors started. Read a person talking about hermies in their fem seed grow, and boom...fem seeds are hermie prone, and some feel that they need to increase their post count by warning others of this phenomenon. My first thought about that situation is how that grower screwed up and stressed his plants to hermie?...because that is 99 out of 100 times what happened.
Oh really? I suggest you do some reading up on selective breeding. Work on your math as well, because it will all boil down to math and statistics in the end.
Heard? That is definitely a term used by rumor mill aficionados, and internet Dr's. Again...if you research selective breeding, instead of using what you read (hear) on some website, you will agree that what I am saying is true...once you understand the subject matter.
The only think I am trying to prove, is that folks who warn about the problems that using stressed females for male pollen bring about a high rate of hermies, are passing along bad info that is constructed more from emotions and hearsay, than by scientific facts.
The reason folks saw a high rate of hermies when femmed seeds first were the rage, has everything to do with selective breeding, and nothing more.
journeyquest
Member
Why cant we have the option of both. Why does it have to be one or the other. Why narrow your thinking? Ive only bought seeds once and they were dutch passion fem color packs (3 strains). Im growing the skunk 11 now. Also have white widow and power plant. In the past i used seeds i had collected over the years but someone got off w/ them so im back to square one. Im small time, 2-4 plants at a time. So i dont want to hope and pray for a female plant. Yet i also want the option of growing for seeds. If i had more space i would do things different.
Iv never grown female seeds so I don't really know what I'm talking about but from what iv read female seeds are created from female plants that were Hermied using some type of chemical so I'm thinking people are like OMG the mother of these seeds was a Hermie these must Hermie too..... plus the price is more so fem haters just have another reason to hate. If someone had statistics and they had the scientific method in mind while gathering this data it would really change my mind.
