Reversed Backcrossing:)

[englishrick]

Why not get onto Sams level and make hybrids,,,

saving the old pure lines are the only way to preserve the species incase of some problem hits the hybrids

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Why not get onto Sams level and make hybrids,,,

saving the old pure lines are the only way to preserve the species incase of some problem hits the hybrids

Why not get on Sam's level? Because it's tough work. How big is your garden? Do you realize the amount of work/time/money/space goes into preserving the genepool? Besides, as I've said in my mind the landraces are lost. It's not the 60s and 70s anymore. And if your just buying seeds from another company THEY'RE the ones "preserving" the old landraces. But again, I don't think what they're selling as landraces really qualify. After 20-30 years of "preserving" the lines I doubt they're exactly like they were in the land of origin.

As i've said: what's the point of working backwards and recreating other people's work at this point? Why not just move forward to make improvements ontop of others work. Do you think when monsanto (porb a bad choice of company but when any company) wants to improve corn that they go back and try to find landraces to make new hybrids? It doesn't work that way.

 

[endlesssummer]

landraces are not frozen in time, they survive and evolve , they'll change without any external additions to the genepool. I don't know exactly how many generations it takes for a plant to be considered a landrace but it should thrive in it's ecosystem.

rsc seeds are collected in the wild or at farms, they're wild landraces or cultivated heirlooms/landraces. the idea behind getting landraces is to find genetic diversity instead of relying on dutch skunk hybrids to achieve diversity.

and companies that produce corn hybrids usually look into heirloom, there are thousands of heirlooms, cultivated all around the world.

 

[englishrick]

when you say "WHY GO BACKWARDS",,,,,thats crazy man,,,,we need to keep the old RealLANDRACE and "we" have done TheRealSeedCompany sel`s REAL landrace.....some guy has actualy tryed to save the species setting up that company,,,,,an hes done a good job too

we can use the real seed companys seeds to make hybrids like sam,,,,,this is true bro is it not?......maybe it`s a hard job but atleast someone could do it if they wanted to

emagin if evoloution slaps Cannabis in the face,,,,,an some mad stuff starts happening to hybrids......we need to be able to step back to the old days....TomHill knew this thats why he made DEEPCHUNCK seeds available......full respect,,,ya know what im sayin

 

[GreenintheThumb]

I know landraces are not frozen in time. That's why I say they no longer exist. I believe many if not most of them have been contaminated in the last 20-30 years. It's hard to find a corner of the earth that no one's been to. They have the internet everywhere, and cannabis seeds have been sold worldwide since before I was born...

I sure as hell don't know why you'd want to collect wild uncultivated cannabis plants. That's not where I'd start my breeding programs that's for sure...you realize you have to select for potency. Wild weed is more like hemp than haze...

And companies that produce corn hybrids aren't starting back at American Indians maize...

 

[GreenintheThumb]

It isn't crazy. Until that new unseen pathogen/disease/pest mutates and starts really wrecking havoc on modern cannabis hybrids i'm not going to be trying to work on landraces. In my mind there's no point. At this moment in time cannabis has enough diversity to meet all the goals of improvement I'm looking toward. 50 years from now...who knows. But untill the super mold comes and ruins everything that has a drop of skunk in it I think the prudent thing to do would be to improve upon the work that's been done.

And if your just buying some other companies seeds what are you really preserving? Wouldn't that be what the company is doing?

when you say "WHY GO BACKWARDS",,,,,thats crazy man,,,,we need to keep the old RealLANDRACE and "we" have done TheRealSeedCompany sel`s REAL landrace.....some guy has actualy tryed to save the species setting up that company,,,,,an hes done a good job too

we can use the real seed companys seeds to make hybrids like sam,,,,,this is true bro is it not?......maybe it`s a hard job but atleast someone could do it if they wanted to

emagin if evoloution slaps Cannabis in the face,,,,,an some mad stuff starts happening to hybrids......we need to be able to step back to the old days....TomHill knew this thats why he made DEEPCHUNCK seeds available......full respect,,,ya know what im sayin

 

[englishrick]

thats WHY the realseedcompany was set up........to keep the real landrace frozen in time

the guy who set it up bought batches of weed from real farmes in corners of the globe that have not been effected by "70`s+ hybrids" like sams stuff

 

[englishrick]

The Real Seed Company: Golden Triangle Akka

Genetics: Traditional Southeast Asian Ganja Cultivar
Type: Pure Landrace
Variety: Native Indochinese "Kansha" Indica
Height: up to 2 metres
Harvest Date: November-December
Flowering: 14 - 18 weeks
Characteristics: Very large seeds with thick shells.


This is an unusual and aromatic "kansha" (ganja) variety from the Golden Triangle region of Lao. It is cultivated by the Akka people who originate in the Yunnan region of South China. This strain is part of the "Yunnanese Indica" genepool. Cannabis researchers have recently suggested that all cannabis drug cultivars (both sativa and indica) could have originated from this landrace region in Yunnan.

These are vigorous plants with surprisingly dense buds, abundant trichomes and intense aromas of spearmint, catnip and citrus. This is a drug cultivar which smokes very smoothly and produces a very mild, moderate stone. Flowering tips are also used in medicine and traditional cuisine. It is a strain for every serious collector to preserve and investigate further. It has very large seeds with thick shells.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

here's some Sam quotes for you:

"Original Haze is the name given to a Hybrid variety developed from Columbian And Mexican with Thai and South Indian added later. It was not real consistant, but the best were in my opinion the best Cannabis I have ever seen. Pure Sativa, with a taste, smell, and high above all others.
Nowadays you see many non-Sativa hybrids that are called Haze, but they are not the same. They can be good but not as good as the Original Haze.
And no you can not just get Sativas hybridize them and call the progeny Haze. Anymore then I can build a car from scratch and call it a FORD.
-SamS


I have been to many places where the locals claim that the wild hemp gets them high. In Yunnan they do and I have analyzed the plants and the THC levels are 1-2% and when I smoke them I do not get high at all. I suspect wild Czech Cannabis is the same, it only makes people think that maybe they are high. To prove my point would you like to buy a ton of dried Czech wild Cannabis, why not?


I would call the Yunnan a very tall very late Sativa hemp variety. You would not want it I think, it has very little THC.

-SamS "

 

[endlesssummer]

you can find potent plants in the wild in nepal, uncultivated strains with wispy buds. western growers select plants suited for indoor gardening most of the time, not the best for outdoor grows ( my favorite way to grow ).

there's also room for high cbd plants, another wonderful cannabinoid with medical potential, absent from the cannabis gene pool at the moment, unless of course your name is gw pharma



and most of these landraces being offered are charas making plants, there's some selection going on, not to western standards ( which are not the best, it's all subjective ) but a lot of these plants server multiple purposes, as seed/fiber/drug crops.

some people like growing plants others are just looking to get their buzz on

 

[englishrick]

wow,,,,,grate post man,,,K+

"Cannabis researchers have recently suggested that all cannabis drug cultivars (both sativa and indica) could have originated from this landrace region in Yunnan"
this says it all if you ask me......

the RealSeedCompanys :"Yunnanese Indica" is a Pure Landrace,,,,this is still a good example of PURE LANDRACE frozen in time...its a Traditional Southeast Asian Ganja Cultivar not effected by [1970+] hybrids .......this is still the type of thing "we" might need in the future, if problems arrize with current hybrids.....especialy now this fem thing has exploded



i know sam said we cant make Haze again,,,,but we can get a Mexican and cross it with a Thai and then with an Indian Karela,,,,,,,that sounds like a wickid project to me!!...an it might be a project "we" need to do in the future

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Or you could just buy some Haze....

 

[BENJI]

S1 or F1 ? I don't see where this definition comes from , I don't think capitalizing the f really makes a difference.

Its always F1 from what ive seen capitalizing comes into play when talking bout gene pairs...The gene pairs are usualy denoted by a pair of letters , such as BB, Bb, Pp, pp etc.. Capital letters refer to dominant genes while lowercase letters refer to recessive genes. By way of example, B can represent Big Bud while b can represent small bud. Any letter can be assigned to any trait or gene pair when you are working out your own breeding program...

 

[englishrick]

f = SELF
F = OUTCROSS

S = Self just with canna kids,,,,,f is the propper term for SELF seeds in normal biology

 

[englishrick]

it took me 1 look to get this,,,,comon lads

 

[GreenintheThumb]

f = SELF
F = OUTCROSS

S = Self just with canna kids,,,,,f is the propper term for SELF seeds in normal biology

show me the links. Why don't you read some breeding texts instead of biology books?

 

[BENJI]

F1 = Outcross First generation

We are talking bout cannabis terms so it would be S1 = Selfed first generation..

 

[englishrick]

yeh benj.....thats right but if you search for Charles`s stuff and you will get the whole picture

we have both canna kids and biology students lookin at the thread,,,,,so we need to mix and match terms

 

[BENJI]

yeh benj.....thats right but if you search for Charles`s stuff and you will get the whole picture

we have both canna kids and biology students lookin at the thread,,,,,so we need to mix and match terms

But rick thats were you start confusing people if you stick to one set of terms its alot easier to understand especialy for the canna kids biology students should know either way and i would have to say the majority of people reading this thread are canna kids my friend...

 

[GMT]

unfortunately, the original posts Charles made on the subject caused a bit of a row, and the thread was binned. Lets not let this one end in the same fate.