creating a cloneable AF

[Elephunk]

Alright... So here's my plans for the upcoming future when I have things set up and ready to proceed...

I want to create an AF strain based off some Nigerian Nightmare beans I have. The NN has phenos that flower under anything less than 19 hours of light. Which to me means I could pretty much veg these under 24 and throw them outside anytime and they'll begin the flower process. That also means though that it can be cloned and vegged to bigger sizes before being placed outside.

I was thinking of what types of strains to cross out to and stabilize to pump up the yields and potency. A couple that came to mind right off were AK-47 and Chronic by serious seeds. Relatively short flower times already that can be shortened further with the NN genes with good yields and potency.

The chronic I've seen multiple times by friends growing it and pics of other growers from online all seem pretty damn awesome. Usually some pretty massive yields. That's why I thought of that as a possible yield booster to cross to and stabilize first. But that's also why I'm here posting this... Anyone have any ideas for other possible yield boosting strains?

I haven't grown the NN out yet so I'm unsure of how it will yield on it's own. But I mean... The point of this is to create the largest yielding and still quite potent AF strain I can. I'm sure it can be improved.

For potency/yield I figured AK-47 might not be a bad candidate. It typically has some pretty awesome yields itself and always looks killer. A buddy of mine ran some and it was definitely some really strong stuff. And I love the structure of the buds.

But uh... yeah... That's really as far as I've thought it through for others to cross out to. I was posting this more to see what others may have in mind for such a strain. I'm also looking at afghan varieties too that could pump the yields up.

Either way, potency and taste will come last with this project. I'm really looking to first stabilize a higher yielding hybrid and then play around with potency and flavor after that until that too is stabilized...

Ambitious? You bet. Will it work? I hope. Have I ever done anything like this? Hells no. But that's why IC is here and all the awesome community + online knowledge to help guide me. Man things are always so sweet in theory But hell... Resbsi's Auto Affi is really REALLY intriguing and is the main reason I want to do this so badly.

 

[shroomyshroom]

this seriosuly seems like a waste of time to me... any plant that i my self or anyone elset side i know veg's inside under 24/0 and puts em out side and they flower no matter what time of the year it is..

 

[Bob_J]

you might want to consider mold issues. indoor strains especially denser types are mold magnets outdoors.
bonkers next generation seeds?

 

[Elephunk]

Yeah, waste of time. Blah blah fuckin blah.

I've wasted plenty of my time here on this earth not doing shit, not trying to create or apply any of these volumes of cannabis knowledge I've poured through. So whats the bigger waste of time? I'm pretty sure I have plenty of years ahead of me. I don't think I'll look back on the experience as a waste. If anything I'll be learning with hands on experience about breeding and gaining that knowledge you just can't get from reading and reading and never actually doing.

This is what I'm trying to create- well something along these lines. I guess the proper term isn't AF but more so just a very photo period sensitive strain.

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=27683&highlight=reibsi&page=4
http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=65161&highlight=reibsi

And what this guy was after sums it up pretty well
http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=66106&highlight=reibsi

If this dude did give out some cuts to select people, they're sure as hell not doing shit but sitting on them. So what good does that do? If I want something similar I'm going to have to try and make it myself.

I basically want a plant I can put out during a time of the season that has the longest days and is finished before choppers, search teams, and frost start. And I live pretty north so the season isn't long.

 

[Perka]

Elephunk-
Go for it, im really interested in the same
Good luck.

Peace

 

[IceColdCrickets]

well for one it will not be a TRUE AF.

TRUE AF plants flower no matter what light schedule they are under, even 24/0 hour light.

What you are creating is a very early flowering strain, such as some versions of Mighty Mite. These strains have thier niche in the world so good luck.

 

[Elephunk]

Oh I definitely am going for this. And when it's finished (I have no idea when, I'll let the project run its course) I'm definitely sending freebies out so this can be spread around instead of being horded by a few individuals. Even if the cross doesn't turn out to be that great because I know I'll be making mistakes along the way, it will give people a genetic tool to work with due to its PS traits. Then someone else can use it to shorten their flower cycles and breed with it and create new strains. This is why I refuse to believe it's a waste of time. I know there are others like me out there who are interested in such a strain and can use it in their own crosses.

I'm wondering what a Nigerian Nightmare x LR cross would result in then? I have some Afgooey x LR that I may try to stabilize and make 100% AF just to cross to the NN to pass along the AF trait and whatever dankness and growth structure that comes from the Afgooey. If I was able to back cross a few times to a really nice Afgooey-ryder male I wonder if it would be possible to lock the Auto Flower trait in to the Nigerian Nightmare. Because you're right, this wouldn't be a true AF, but just a very photo period sensitive strain left as it is. But then if you could pass over that AF trait from the LR family you may be able to make it a 100% auto. I don't see why not right?

Or I could just use... original LR, LR2 or the AF White Russian x LR2 cross I made that are readily available and already 100% AF. That would cut some breeding work out and save time. The Afgooey x LR I have is only an F1 and would require further back crossing and stabilizing to lock in the AF trait for that strain first before I could even cross to the NN

But man if I can just slow the onset of the AF trait that would be awesome. The LR family switches to flower so quickly the plant doesn't really veg that much. If I could just get the switch to occur after a full month of veg so the plant can get a little larger I think it would increase the yield per plant a decent amount.

Damn it... I want 6-8 oz Auto Flowers like Reibsi! If he's already created the strain then it's possible. And the last time I checked a 6-8 oz AF that finishes before everyone else is pretty damn valuable to have in the collection.

 

[Micro420]

Good luck. Doubt you will be able to do it and it be 100% true AF. About the only way to create a clonable early AF cross would be to cross with LR gene for 1 or 2 generations. You will have an earlier Flowering plant but will not AF.

I see you point in doing this... but about the only way to get taller plants would be to breed sativa genes with AF. I think it would be better to try to breed the shortness out of them instead of trying to create a clonable AF.

 

[g0dzilla]

well.. I know that autos delay flowering when they have very low resivour temps.. i dont know how this will affect the veg meaning if they will still grow nicely and be able to be cloned..

 

[kornholio]

Auto Chronic - i would love to see and test this!!!

 

[shroomyshroom]

Oh I definitely am going for this. And when it's finished (I have no idea when, I'll let the project run its course) I'm definitely sending freebies out so this can be spread around instead of being horded by a few individuals. Even if the cross doesn't turn out to be that great because I know I'll be making mistakes along the way, it will give people a genetic tool to work with due to its PS traits. Then someone else can use it to shorten their flower cycles and breed with it and create new strains. This is why I refuse to believe it's a waste of time. I know there are others like me out there who are interested in such a strain and can use it in their own crosses.

I'm wondering what a Nigerian Nightmare x LR cross would result in then? I have some Afgooey x LR that I may try to stabilize and make 100% AF just to cross to the NN to pass along the AF trait and whatever dankness and growth structure that comes from the Afgooey. If I was able to back cross a few times to a really nice Afgooey-ryder male I wonder if it would be possible to lock the Auto Flower trait in to the Nigerian Nightmare. Because you're right, this wouldn't be a true AF, but just a very photo period sensitive strain left as it is. But then if you could pass over that AF trait from the LR family you may be able to make it a 100% auto. I don't see why not right?

Or I could just use... original LR, LR2 or the AF White Russian x LR2 cross I made that are readily available and already 100% AF. That would cut some breeding work out and save time. The Afgooey x LR I have is only an F1 and would require further back crossing and stabilizing to lock in the AF trait for that strain first before I could even cross to the NN

But man if I can just slow the onset of the AF trait that would be awesome. The LR family switches to flower so quickly the plant doesn't really veg that much. If I could just get the switch to occur after a full month of veg so the plant can get a little larger I think it would increase the yield per plant a decent amount.

Damn it... I want 6-8 oz Auto Flowers like Reibsi! If he's already created the strain then it's possible. And the last time I checked a 6-8 oz AF that finishes before everyone else is pretty damn valuable to have in the collection.

Just so you know Reibsi never created the strain so many ppl think he created it was gifted to him and he then crossed it with a bs and created the awsome strain he is so well known for

 

[krazycure]

Well i'm not gonna be a naysayer, I think it's a good idea, niche-y, but still something I'd be excited to see if it works. Grow on!

 

[raz1012]

well the problem with true autoflowers is even if you take a cutting from it you can't revert the cutting back to have a veg period so your kind of screwed right there.

 

[lowrdr]

think the point was to keep a mother in veg under 24/0 then veg the cuttings for a bit then put them outside to flower. whereas with a standard strain you'd still have to wait for the light cycle to change

 

[dontae1000]

i read post like this and start to think weed causes brain damage-

 

[FirstTracks]

THis is a great idea!
glad you're doin it.
I've crossed a nigerian nightmare with the tX mersh strain 'skud' and then with 'Mossy's B. Indy F3'. I'll hopefully be running a bunch of both of those and pollinate some for some more seeds this season.

 

[Elephunk]

Right on, thanks for clearing that up for me shroomyshroom.

lowrdr's got it. I guess I didn't really clarify that here and just kept it in my own head. The point is to just be able to keep a mother under 24/0 and be able to take cuttings, root them, veg them up a bit, then transfer during the early part of the grow season. Like I said a few posts up I did use the wrong term for these. They wouldn't really be auto flowers, but photo period sensitive. So even with the longest days of the season this strain will be flowering and finished before the teams start looking.

If I took a regular strain that isn't PPS and put it out during the early season I'll still have a plant in veg until the light cycle changes to switch the plant into flower. That increases the risk of stuff being found, getting hit with mold from more rain, frost, etc.

The part with the auto flowering comes in besides my mistake in naming this thread is what if I crossed out the NN to an AF type and locked in the AF trait to the Nigerian. I wonder how early it would begin to flower. Surely then it would be pretty pointless to try to clone and keep a mother. It couldn't be done if no matter what they're just going to flip into flower.

Sounds awesome firsttracks. Post up pics of the ladies when they're finished! I want to see.

 

[chubbynugs]

The only way i could see cloning worth any use is that is you knew an af was a female and it took the normal six weeks or so to show sex before flowering and you could get full roots in a week and took cuts within the third week of age to guarantee at least two weeks of veg before it started flowering off of age. Basically i am saying it is no use and would be hard as hell to stabilize a strain to flower under those restrictions. Seeds overall will have more vigorous growth then a clone anyway and will also yield more because of the symmetrical branching. Two nodes flowering next to eachother will always yield more then asymmetrical branching. My two cents at least.

 

[Elephunk]

Right on Chubbynugs. Makes sense and I hear that about it being hard to stabilize like that. I'm really more interested in making just a very early finisher that is able to seriously pack on the weight and be potent. BreederBrad does tons of awesome work with these early finishers so I'm going to start trying to research his work and pick up whatever tips and info I can on how to do this.

What I plan to make will be cloneable and able to be kept as a mother under 24/0. That way I don't have to worry about males in the crop. I can simply veg the cuttings during the last weeks of winter or early spring and plant them outside where they will begin to flower.

 

[eazygeezy]

Man, I say go for it, don't let the nay-sayers get you down. I'm also looking for something just like this. This year being my first real dedicated grow (and hopefully successful), im trying out many different autoflowering strains. I have to grow in a city and am limited to my bike to get around. My success depends on places that people would never expect weed to be at.

But the beginning of something great has to start somewhere and I hope it begins here. I'll try to contribute as much as I can and hope to learn from this as well. Good luck and be safe bro

Also I heard reeferman isnt going to be releasing his seeds (widespread) as before. So your Nigerian Nightmare is pretty rare. Be good with those awesome genetics if what i've read is to be correct. Also, I hope you spread the joy around a bit if you do find yourself successful (as you said you would)