Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[minds_I]

I made my tea way to strong by accident, Could i just add 1 part tea to 4-5 parts RO water before i apply to the plants?

Hello all,

It occurs to me that would be fine...have done it many times and not once screwed up my plants.

This is just my experience.

minds_I

 

[AndreNicky]

Sure, if you want to screw up your plants. Why not make some more tea the correct way and use that?
Burn1

Just dont wanna waste the stuff i got, thanks for the advice minds

 

[retawgnob]

Thanks BurnOne, let me get this straight.. add the N-P-K and then divide each number by the number of diffent sources used to combine the mixture.

For mathatical purposes... 2-2-2 + 6-6-6 + 4-4-4 = 12-12-12/3 = 4-4-4

Yes or No.

Thanks again man,
Peace.

 

[ShoeboxSherman]

Thanks BurnOne, let me get this straight.. add the N-P-K and then divide each number by the number of diffent sources used to combine the mixture.

For mathatical purposes... 2-2-2 + 6-6-6 + 4-4-4 = 12-12-12/3 = 4-4-4

Yes or No.

Thanks again man,
Peace.

That's right if each part is equal in the mix. If not you'd have to weight by proportion and then average, I think.

 

[dazednconfused]

for recipe #2 dry guano mix:

have to cut back on the nutes a bit considering the recommended dose on the insect eating and indonesian bat guano is 10ml/litre. I was just going to use the high N guano mix for veg and top dress later, with the combination of both N and P, will this mix take me all the way to harvest?

revised Bongaloid's Guano Mix:
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1.5 TBS hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
2.0 TBS hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Greensand
1TBS Kelp Meal

 

[BurnOne]

Thanks BurnOne, let me get this straight.. add the N-P-K and then divide each number by the number of diffent sources used to combine the mixture.

For mathatical purposes... 2-2-2 + 6-6-6 + 4-4-4 = 12-12-12/3 = 4-4-4

Yes or No.

Thanks again man,
Peace.

Let's say your directions call for t tablespoon of each nute in one gallon of water.
1 tbs. 2-2-2 in 1 gal. water
+1 tbs. 6-6-6 in 1 gal. water
+1 tbs. 4-4-4 in 1 gal. water
= 4-4-4 in three gallons of water.

Burn1

 

[dazednconfused]

Bongaloid's Guano Mix:

why is there twice as much P than N, is it a veg and flowering mix or just veg??

thanks for the questions being answered burnone, your a great help!!......not?

 

[BurnOne]

Bongaloid's Guano Mix is a complete mix that will last the entire grow from veg to harvest when used as directed. It may need to be supplemented but most likely not.
Burn1

 

[retawgnob]

So each nute must all be in the same unit of measurement when the N-P-K levels are averaged, thus having to adjust the N-P-K levels to the proper proportion.

0.5 tbsp 2-2-2 in 1gallon = 1-1-1
1 tbsp 6-6-6 in 1gallon
1 tbsp 5-5-5 in 1gallon

12-12-12/3

4-4-4 in 3gallons of water

or wait... would the "0.5" need to be a "2" in order to make this statement true?

or are the original numbers (13-13-13) averaged by 2.5?

I'm honestly not trying to bust anyones balls here, I am just curious.
I also would like to be able to add up the nute recipes Burn1 has provided and see why they work so well and if there is a magic number to zone in on when fine tuneing nutes to a particular strain. But it's also usefull later if unable to find exact ingredients. No doubt the Reciepes on page #1 are the way to go, but i find it interesting finding out how they are so.

Thanks again,
Peace.

 

[Meadowlands]

So I was a dummy and used "recipe #1" in plain old Fox Farm OCean Forest Soil.
What type of precautions should I take before planting young plants in this, longer compost?

 

[somebody041]

Sure, if you want to screw up your plants. Why not make some more tea the correct way and use that?
Burn1

I was unaware that that was the incorrect way to prepare tea. my method is normally to use 2 gallons of water in my brewer, but add enough stuff for 7 gallons, then mix the 2 gallons with 5 gallons of fresh RO water once the brewing is complete.

Should I be doing it differently? I don't have a brewer that is big enough to brew the size batches I need (approx 10 gallons)

 

[BurnOne]

So each nute must all be in the same unit of measurement when the N-P-K levels are averaged, thus having to adjust the N-P-K levels to the proper proportion.

0.5 tbsp 2-2-2 in 1gallon = 1-1-1
1 tbsp 6-6-6 in 1gallon
1 tbsp 5-5-5 in 1gallon

12-12-12/3

4-4-4 in 3gallons of water

or wait... would the "0.5" need to be a "2" in order to make this statement true?

or are the original numbers (13-13-13) averaged by 2.5?

I'm honestly not trying to bust anyones balls here, I am just curious.
I also would like to be able to add up the nute recipes Burn1 has provided and see why they work so well and if there is a magic number to zone in on when fine tuneing nutes to a particular strain. But it's also usefull later if unable to find exact ingredients. No doubt the Reciepes on page #1 are the way to go, but i find it interesting finding out how they are so.

Thanks again,
Peace.

If the directions call for 0.5 tbs./gal. of water to get 2-2-2, then use that.
The bottom line is that the plant takes what it needs. We simply need to make sure the food is available at the roots for the plant to take up as it needs them without putting too much nitrogen down there that may cause burning.

So I was a dummy and used "recipe #1" in plain old Fox Farm OCean Forest Soil.
What type of precautions should I take before planting young plants in this, longer compost?

Make sure the seedlings are old enough to need feeding. That's usually two to four weeks old.

I was unaware that that was the incorrect way to prepare tea. my method is normally to use 2 gallons of water in my brewer, but add enough stuff for 7 gallons, then mix the 2 gallons with 5 gallons of fresh RO water once the brewing is complete.

Should I be doing it differently? I don't have a brewer that is big enough to brew the size batches I need (approx 10 gallons)

Do you have two five gallon buckets? That's what I do. I have an aquarium pump with two outputs on it. Bubble for 24 hours before watering.

Burn1

 

[DIRT DIGGLER]

I'm a newb tryin to soak in as much as I can....here's my question if chlorine kills the microherd in the soil...let water stand 24 hours problem fixed. what I want to know is,how does flouride affect the microherd,as letting your water stand does not eliminate flouride
and I cant afford an RO system at the moment.I hope someone can answer this for me as I am curious to know.

 

[BurnOne]

Fluoride is not a problem.
Burn1

 

[floydfanx6]

to suby or burnone,,im doing to be going with lc's mix with the dry ferts,,i have a few brief questions
1)ive read many places including yr thread no need to yr tea,,but others on this site have told me u SHOULD ph your water
2) can you explain how to make the ewc tea,i know you bubble it for 2 days with the proper proportions and molasses, but then u wanna strain it with panty hose correct? and then feed,,how long is this solution good for??? and obviously like yr quote says u water with ewc molasses,every single time
3) i have liquid karma since i am a pbp user right now,,should i incorpirate the lk into any feedings,,not just in the composting stage at the begining
i guess thats it,im exited,,i hate mixing nutes,phing,flushing ect...this seems to good to be true fuck nutes pain in my ass

 

[floydfanx6]

sorry in 1) i meant no need to ph yr tea,,im high

 

[somebody041]

Do you have two five gallon buckets? That's what I do. I have an aquarium pump with two outputs on it. Bubble for 24 hours before watering.

Burn1

Hey Burn1, could you elaborate on this? I cannot figure out why making a concentrated tea and then diluting it is the wrong way to make the tea. How could it screw up my plants? I though that using less liquid would make more oxygen dissolve in the water and increase the beasties population.

I guess I am so confused because the main compost tea recipe in the compost tea guide states the brew a concentrated tea and then use the concentrate at 1 cup per 5 gallons of water. How is this any different?



Here is a basic tea recipe I am referring to:

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nutrient tea mix-
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses
1-cup earthworm castings/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering

Vegetative mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 TBS. Maxi-crop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 TBS. Liquid Karma (optional)
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses
@ 1-cup mix/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering.

Flowering nutrient tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 TBS. Maxi-crop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses

Dilute as needed. Generally, 2 to 3 cups per 5 gallons of water @ every watering.



Thank you for your response!

 

[BurnOne]

No problem with that. I thought you had made your tea too strong and was guessing how much to dilute it. My bad.
Continue on with your method. It's fine.
Burn1

 

[BurnOne]

to suby or burnone,,im doing to be going with lc's mix with the dry ferts,,i have a few brief questions
1)ive read many places including yr thread no need to yr tea,,but others on this site have told me u SHOULD ph your water
2) can you explain how to make the ewc tea,i know you bubble it for 2 days with the proper proportions and molasses, but then u wanna strain it with panty hose correct? and then feed,,how long is this solution good for??? and obviously like yr quote says u water with ewc molasses,every single time
3) i have liquid karma since i am a pbp user right now,,should i incorpirate the lk into any feedings,,not just in the composting stage at the begining
i guess thats it,im exited,,i hate mixing nutes,phing,flushing ect...this seems to good to be true fuck nutes pain in my ass

1) No need to check pH if you use a good soil mix like LC's Mix.
2) 1 cup worm castings poured into a nylon stocking. Steep in 5 gallons of water with 5 tablespoons of molasses for 24 hours.
3) I use Liquid Karma as directed on the label. The nutes are blood, bone and kelp.
Burn1

 

[Congobongo]

Quick question on watering regiments regarding LC's Mix #1. Since I'm using coir in the soil-less mix, will I need to water until I get 10-15% run-off? I've been lurking the Coco forum here and read their handwatering thread. I wasn't sure if I needed to do this since only 50% of the mix is Coir while the Coco Coir forum's discussion focuses on growing in 100% coir.