Beans vs. Elites

[Moldy Dreads]

I laugh at this shit every time I see it. Elites are like fucking cheerleaders, mostly over rated, although probably worth doing. Real farmers use seed, find your own keepers.

ELITES are just a clone off of some plant that somebody else grew out and people who have some of these clones call them ELITES so that they can feel better about themselves and this enables them to ironically look down on people who actually grow all of their own plants from seed. Some of the so-called ELITES are just something that some random joe grew out in a little cabinet grow. It seems as if many of the so-called ELITES just came about out of random luck, and had little to do with any growing skillz. A monkey could buy an 1/8 of bud and find a fucking ELITE seed right now if the monkey is very lucky.

Sorry guys, but until you can live in Cali and get any gene you want with proven stability, strength, flavor etc. You have no clue what you just typed. Sure it's fun to dream about finding an elite (and with good seed stock like IBLs etc. from established breeders like Rez, Dj, Soma etc) but in all reality you're going to spend a grip anyway to buy seeds, test them, and then it's still the work of someone else..

Elites in Cali are the real deal, and the only way to quickly and inexpensively produce the best herb around. Sure, finding your own "Elite" is great, but very unlikely, because true "Elites" are not just named "ELITE" for fun and many will claim they have an elite, but bottom line, check out the San Diego's finest thread and bitch at those elites that can be had for $10 each. WIthin days you can have a harem of the best herb in the world.

This sums it best thank Rosy:

Elite clones can save you time, effort and money.

On the other hand, you miss out on the whole aspect of growing from seed, which makes you more accomplished as a grower.

You learn a lot about genetics, geno/phenotype etc, from working with greater variety.

It's great fun to receive a legendary elite clone, but maybe popping a batch of seeds tops it.
Simply because you don't know what you're going to get... exciting!

Especially if you crossed two good genetics and are dying to know what the cross will be like.

And, if that winner plant is in there, then it's all yours. Your ten minutes of fame could be found in a seed. You never know.

It's strange how surprisingly many of my home made crosses beats some of the so called elite plants. It's a personal opinion of course, but I would venture to say that there are many closet crosses out there that are outstanding, and that never get the hype some of the best known elite clones get.

With other words, quality's not in the name, it's what rocks the boat that matters.

 

[nycdfan042]

I have to chime in as recently i got some elites in my garden which is strange because @ the same exact time i finally get my hands on a few elites i find my own elite via seed(Green Lions BioDiesel). I have to agree on what Rosy and others have said, elites are great and good and are amazing smoke but half the fun is finding one yourself. There are gems hidden in many seeds we still havent grown all the hybrids and poly hybrids we have and were still looking so if we keep popping through various seed we will find new elites, after all where did elites come from...which came first the cutting or the seed.. Muahha haha

 

[Weedman Herb]

What does living in Cali have to do with Elites vs Seeds? So until someone lives in Cali they don't know good weed? I think you're delusional ...

 

[Moldy Dreads]

What does living in Cali have to do with Elites vs Seeds? So until someone lives in Cali they don't know good weed? I think you're delusional ...

I am using Cali as a comparison only, anyone can have a clone and call it Elite, what I was trying to illustrate was that with an "TRUE"elite clone you are guaranteed a great plant. That's all, sorry if I rambled...You can get an elite clone from any seed sure, but to say the top notch elite clones are overrated, you are being dellusional. Ever heard of Chemdog, Bubba , OG Kush, Blue Dream.....Cheese, why do you think Res and everyone else in the world are jumping on them. Why do you think Franco, Res and crew all want them? I din't make that up.. Just saying they are very available here for $10 a pop.

Since I got negative rep from a BottleCokeHead user, why doesn't he man up and chime in instead of generating himself some negative rep too? PUSSY

I have to chime in as recently i got some elites in my garden which is strange because @ the same exact time i finally get my hands on a few elites i find my own elite via seed(Green Lions BioDiesel). I have to agree on what Rosy and others have said, elites are great and good and are amazing smoke but half the fun is finding one yourself. There are gems hidden in many seeds we still havent grown all the hybrids and poly hybrids we have and were still looking so if we keep popping through various seed we will find new elites, after all where did elites come from...which came first the cutting or the seed.. Muahha haha

Thanks, better worded than what I said..

I'm curious for opinions on whether elites really beat the pants off seed offerings?

yes I would rather pay $10 for an elite Sour Diesel (someone did the selection work and spent a grip of cash and time to find a keeper mom thats all) than pay res $160 and not get what I want...Capiche?MY OPINION, thats it..hate on..

If I didn't live in Cali I would definitely do the seed thing, but I've done the seed thing here and to be honest the only good female I got was from a pack of Sor Diesel IBL from Reservoir. Sensi Seeds $160 Hashplant sucked, FEderation Mikado was OK, Strawberry Diesel did not get me an elite keeper, MOD was ok, but nothing special etc etc etc POG alright but nothing special etc etc etc, EVERY SINGLE ELITE CLONE I BOUGHT WAS DANK, simple as that. Would I rathe pay $10 and get a Pitbull or spend $400 and get a chihuahau, no thanks....

 

[whodair]

fish tacos. you have to go to cali for fish tacos.

 

[Moldy Dreads]

The thing that sets ELites apart from "I have an elite I made" is that a true "Elite Clone" is one that is tested many many times by many growers. They produce well, no hermies, and truly represent the best in each strain. People can claim they have an "ELite" but that's just their opinion, just like this is mine. If you don't like my opinions, just ignore me. I din't cuss your mom, so why generate negative rep?

 

[Moldy Dreads]

fish tacos. you have to go to cali for fish tacos.

And access to all the cuts you dream of,,,dream on! Oh yes, excellent fish tacos too, that is true!!

 

[astartes]

If you're trying to define an elite by the absence of hermies, then a good chunk of the current "elites" fail the test right there. Now grown in perfect conditions, they won't hermie, but that's a topic for another day...

astartes

 

[whodair]

And access to all the cuts you dream of,,,dream on! Oh yes, excellent fish tacos too, that is true!!

my friends in cali get their packages mailed to them from NY. kind of backward but weve been doin it this way for a while.

 

[Weedman Herb]

For the record ... I have no beef with Cali People or Cali weed ...

For the record ... I have no beef with Cali People or Cali weed ...

However I do take issue with people who speak like MD has ... Moldy Dreads - You're too funny ... Have I ever heard of what? I've kicked most of those "Elites" you mention out of my garden and I regularly sprout beans that grow plants that equal or surpass their Power (I'll be honest ... I like Bubba and Blue Dream) ... Nice try but Cheese is a UK find ... Here's another Tid Bit of worthless, and true, info ... I BROUGHT Good Weed in seed form to Cali in the 80s (not because Cali needed good weed in the 80s ... there was and IS plenty there ... but I had some KillerGreenBud if you feel me) ... my point was ... You Don't Have To Be In or From California to know or get great or "elite" genetics ... what was yours again?

 

[Moldy Dreads]

Have I ever heard of what? I've kicked most of those "Elites" you mention out of my garden and I regularly sprout beans that equal or surpass their Power (I'll be honest ... I like Bubba and Blue Dream) ... Nice try but Cheese is a UK find ... Here's another Tid Bit of worthless, and true, info ... I BROUGHT Good Weed in seed form to Cali in the 80s (not because Cali needed good weed in the 80s ... there was and IS plenty there ... but I had some KillerGreenBud if you feel me) ... my point was ... You Don't Have To Be In or From California to know or get great/"elite" genetics ... what was yours again?

I guess I have really nothing to argue here, I'm just saying to me, my opinion, is that an Elite clone is a stable, hermi-less (if grown in decent conditions), very strong and tasty herb that has a defined consensus by most of the Canna Community as a distinct plant.

I'm not saying anything from California is the best nor that your herb is not an "Elite" in your own mind. I just wanted to say this :

In my opinion, an elite clone will guarantee you a great plant (By elite I mean a true cut that the whole community can verify) and a seed is a crapshoot where 90%(very conservative IMO) of seeds are not elite plants and you have to choose from hundreds to get any that come close to the punch, flavor and stability of a clone that has already been through the process.

I understand I may have said the words Cali, and OG Kush and that pisses alot of people off, so basically, I believe that an Elite Clone is by far more guaranteed to give you great results, than just popping a random seed.

Is that ok as my opinion?

... what was yours again?

Whatever I want really, there are tons of med providers here with top notch "Elite" clones that the whole community can verify are elites, not just some random poster on ICMAg who says theirs is..the latest one to hit the scene here IMO is the Blue Dream...I really don't care where they came from, sure the Cheese is great and it came from the UK, great, I never said anything bad about anywhere...LOL I just know that here it's much easier for a med patient to get a cut for $10 where as in the UK, you have to do alot of ass kissing or legwork or both...

 

[Gans]

Why do you think Franco, Res and crew all want them?

$$$

 

[astartes]

I've been running through a good deal of "elite" clones lately from both the clubs and those not available in clubs, can can honestly say only about 20% live up to the hype. The ones I'm keeping will be staples each run to guarantee top shelf smoke. That being said, I can't wait to get back to popping seeds and searching through them each run with the other half of my garden!

astartes

 

[Moldy Dreads]

I've been running through a good deal of "elite" clones lately from both the clubs and those not available in clubs, can can honestly say only about 20% live up to the hype.

Yeah, but it's highly subjective. I'm sure you have access to all the cut flowers in the clubs too, and that is top top shelf stuff. You're comparing with the best in the world.

One thing I have noticed though is that there are many many cuts floating around that are not true "Elite" cuts. Clubs and med providers are peddling them around like they are the real deal though..I have bought "Grandaddy Purps", "Purple Candy" and a few other flowers in clubs that were amazing, then I found the same cuts and they were NOT the same by any measure...EVen Elites are really hard to find the real ones..Seeds can be fun, but it's still a long process to find a true "Elite" clone..

 

[dopeshow]

It's not even a good question... a true cannasuer will tell you seeds! SEEDS SEEDS SEEDS

Most people forget, or maybe are unaware of, that the entire 'Chemdawg' 'OG Kush' 'Sour Diesel' family originated from 13 BAG SEEDS in the early 90s as products of accidental crosses and hermies. I never understood the hype, and never will. ... ever.

Finding the dandies in more than 13 BAG SEEDS is cake. Find a breeder that uses large quantities of plants to select from (in the hundreds), find a breeder that you can verify parents used, find a breeder that tests progeny... and grow 30 seeds of that strain. Select HARD right away based on health and vigor (cull the weaklings, cull the stretchiest noded plants, cull the slowest veggers). Clone all females for backup when going into flower. Keep clones alive until a proper cure and smoke test w/ comparison of all your notes... Tah dah... that is the art and fun of growing, and practically guaranteed to smash the elites in one grow (I trust 1 out 30 quality seeds more than 59 hybrids from 13 original bag/hermie/poor male eradication seeds).

Some facts that you can't forget and very important:
Everyone's tastes are different
One plant can affect two people completely different
You will never see the best, most outstanding, hands down, best ever plant on the internet with a "dawg" attached to its name or in its heritage.

Don't forget what HYPE means... grow those seeds. 4 months of selecting growing and smoke testing is worth it to find your OWN elite.

 

[astartes]

Nope, man, no access to the dried flowers at clubs. That being said, all the smoke samples I have when deciding whether to run a new cut are based on well-grown samples from trusted friends own organic gardens. I feel this lets me set a decent baseline for comparison. Some I'll run only once to let a jar cure to have on hand, others stay around indefinitely. There are surely some plants that are open to debate among friends. A couple people think the Chem 4 is a weak strain, while I and a few others think it kicks like a mule, lol!

I'm sure it's frustrating as hell going from club to club looking for real SFV for example and wasting the time and space on growing out mislabeled cuts. At least with beans you know the cross and to just expect phenos rather than completely different plants. I've even heard of a club giving out male clones labeled as fems by mistake! Imagine the disaster that awaits a new grower!

I guess in the end, I'd rather have the excitement of popping a pack of beans hoping to find a legit and unique mother plant, rather than being disappointed yet again by a mislabeled club cut of the new hot ticket clone only 'elite'. I'm a glass half-full kinda guy so take it with a grain of salt

astartes

astartes

 

[America]

All beans deserve a chance! Bagseed is your friend!

-America

 

[barletta]

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

I'm 3k miles from cali, and I get the ELITE fish tacos delivered ~2-3x's a week. Got an Argentine old lady neighbor, and today she told me she hopes I NEVER move. And gave me a fridge, cause mine is on the way out.

Never had a cut of anything. My weed is better than your weed.
See also MrNice seed co. I would be that 90% of the elites were popped from Nevil's beans or crosses of Nevil's beans. Why get the watered down version that 'someone else' chose?

To say that you are guaranteed a killer plant from a cutting is just wrong. To my knowledge, there is no 45day branch breaking head spinning roots itself never herms purple muthafukka clone available. The elites are superior in a few areas, and generally they are selected strictly for smoke. Is bubba a yielder? Is sour D commercially viable? Is whatever 120day finicky haze you guys got? No, but they are known quantities. NO selection (work) required for fire smoke. Lower yielding, picky, longer flowering, fire smoke.

However, I would put my best smoking SSH against ANY plant in the smoke dept. So would the majority of people that have smoked her. She was selected from 6 girls, imagine the plants you could find in say a 100 female selection?

Clones = Known quantity.
Seeds = Possibility.

Start with the best seed stock, and your selections (and crosses of them) will smoke just as well as the elites. Why? Because YOU selected. It's all about YOU.

 

[indifferent]

I've been running through a good deal of "elite" clones lately from both the clubs and those not available in clubs, can can honestly say only about 20% live up to the hype.

astartes

Amen, most elites are way overrated, overhyped, Cali seems to be the epicentre of the hype, and I'm so sick of it.

 

[BudBo]

I think its all on ur taste n wat ur lookin for but mostly y ur growin.If ur growing for alot of good bud for sales or for ppl that need it fast i think clones r the way to go bcus mosta the time u'd kno wat ur gettin n its jus faster n easier like Fem seeds but.....If ur lookin for the best thing out ther seeds is the way to go i believe growin clones u restrict urself to jus that instead of wit seeds its almost limitless potential N through seeds u get clone only's i really disagree about not bein able to find ur only clone only bcus of the fact that thers alot of clone onlys out ther n they wer all from seed at one point I've seen a bunch of plants from seed that i'd rather take a few cuts from them instead of alot of the elites i've seenLike Barletta was sayin tho wit great genetics u can find some amazing keepers from seeing everyones SSH from Mr.nice grows i wana get a pack or two of the SSH n make 3 mamas of all the best 3 phenos i'm almost possitive they'd b some clone onlys ppl would wanna get ther hands on Like a high yielding short flowering Nevs haze clone or the 9 week SSH pheno alot of commercial growers would want them.