Apartment Growers

[Bodhita]

What I'm trying to say is that whatever precautions you take, the risk is always there. In my case, the landlord was the weak link.

That it was illegal for him to enter the apartment without my permission, is irrelevant. In my country, this wouldn't have mattered in court. If he would have contacted the police I would have been fucked.

So if you want to grow bigger than a small closet grow, you should rent through an agency, or own the place. Private landlords cannot be trusted.

 

[Graffiti]

Bakelite, Firsttracks, and bodhita, I'm sorry to hear of your losses, but their deaths are not in vain, for you will all live to fight another day in the great battle against the oppressor of gods herb... that sounded a little epic, I think I've been watching too many movies...

And damn, First Tracks, that is unbelievable, I can only imagine how fast your heart must have been racing.

Bodhita, that is the exact sort of hands tied situation we all fear. Yeah, it's illegal for him to "stop by without your knowledge" but when he knows that you're already breaking the law on HIS property, then he's got you by the balls and it's either his way or the pigs way. At least he was tolerant enough not to go straight to the cops.

If you want to grow big, you need to own the place.

I say that's a good rule of thumb. It's like money, the more you've got to lose, the safer it ought to be. You wouldn't want to put a retirement savings in your wallet now would you?

But by all means, commercial apt. growing entrepreneurs, do your thing, stay safe, save up, and get yourself a good spot to continue your business.

 

[kylej1]

Signed the lease for my new apartment the other day, they had 2 options for "unscheduled maintenance and inspections". Option #1 was that matienance is allowed to come in at any time to inspect for issues, management can come in and inspect the apartment at any time, for damages. Option #2 was maintenance is not allowed in unless you request them to fix something, management will not enter or inspect the apartment until your move out date. Option #2 has a higher deposit and a slightly higher rent, but I could care less due to I dont want anyone being able to randomly come into my apartment regardless of grow or not.

 

[FirstTracks]

That's your experience Bodhita. Everyone will have a different one. He breached your lease agreement, which is illegal regardless of what you're doing inside. Had he not broken that contractual agreement, he wouldn't have found your plants.....

....He had no legal right whatsoever to enter your place without 24 notice as the lease agreement stated. Period. You couldn't have gone to jail because of him, because he broke the law, and regardless of the fact that you were as well, he wouldn't have known had he not broken the law.
....

Not to be a jerk, but that's just false information, at least if you're in the good ol' U S of A.

There are countless court cases where something illegal was discovered under false pretense, and the charge held up in court.

This has often been the case with cops entering a house under one specific warrant and finding something illegal not listed on the warrant. Though illegal, people still go to jail/prison over it.

A landlord who breaks contract is going to be held to even lower standards than a cop. The cops won't pay attention/care that the landlord violated your contract, they'll care that he/she led them to a big bust. Even if the landlord doesn't admit to entering your apt, they can call in an anonymous tip, respond to a noise complaint and 'smell MJ', do 'emergency repairs' such as check a sink drain or bathtub for leaks, or countless other things.

Like I said, not trying to be a jerk or start an argument, but its good to know that just because your lease says one thing, doesn't mean it'll protect you from any/all legal consequences, even with a good lawyer.

 

[TroubleGuy]

No worries FirstTracks, I can only speak from my own experience. It may just be the area I'm in. I'm in the US, but over here in the small area where I am they're pretty good about it. Obviously if he'd found out, then came in for "emergency maintenance" and found it, it'd be a different story. I guess it'd depend on how big a douche the landlord wanted to be about it.

Edited those parts out though, I don't want people to think comments based on my own experience means theirs will be the same.

 

[Sweet Inc.]

Bump/droppin in...
Mah landlord dropped in without me being home one time, around -02-03.
Came home to a note wich instructed me to lose the plants and get outta there in a month. Live and learn I'd suppose.

Just finished a batch here, It sure is nice not having to worry about nothing now... Won't be growing in this apt. again.
Come fall, I'll be in a new pad re-reading this thread as I'm setting up.

 

[Bodhita]

Change the locks, always. Even if you're not allowed to... If your landlord finds out, at least you have some time to get rid of the evidence.

 

[TroubleGuy]

Yup a good set of locks is worth the $$

You can get new deadbolt + knob of good quality for $20-$25 at home depot/lowe's....

 

[nekoloving]

Not to be a jerk, but that's just false information, at least if you're in the good ol' U S of A.

There are countless court cases where something illegal was discovered under false pretense, and the charge held up in court.

This has often been the case with cops entering a house under one specific warrant and finding something illegal not listed on the warrant. Though illegal, people still go to jail/prison over it.

A landlord who breaks contract is going to be held to even lower standards than a cop. The cops won't pay attention/care that the landlord violated your contract, they'll care that he/she led them to a big bust. Even if the landlord doesn't admit to entering your apt, they can call in an anonymous tip, respond to a noise complaint and 'smell MJ', do 'emergency repairs' such as check a sink drain or bathtub for leaks, or countless other things.

Like I said, not trying to be a jerk or start an argument, but its good to know that just because your lease says one thing, doesn't mean it'll protect you from any/all legal consequences, even with a good lawyer.

as i understand it the problem is you gotta prove the cops knew it was illegal when they got the infoz or they can bend reasonable doubt to it

however i am no attorney and hence recommend asking one

 

[Sweet Inc.]

Concerning apartments-
This has been doing my head in for the last two weeks.

I've got everything ready for my next run (12x Satori from seeds in a coco-dripfeed, single pots).
The Problem lies within:
I'm moving as soon as I can, wich seems to be the first of July. (hopefully)
The move could, in reality, drag on for another month... So the window could be two months.
I've been waiting on this grow for awhile now, the circumstances just fucked me proper this time.

Now Im pondering upon weather I should start my plants and veg them here before getting into the new appartment, or wait for 1-2 months just rolling my thumbs.

So:
If I start my seedlings now and veg'em till I get my ass outta this hellhole, I'll be hauling 12 relatively
large plants accross town... I've sone so before with success...With smaller and less plants.I've got good means moving my shit.
I'll have 12X 6,5L/1,5gallon square pots to deal with in the vegetative stage.
I'll most prolly need to hold on to all of'em untill flippin to 12/12.
(If timeframe allows maby sex them at the old pad and get rid of ball-bearers)

This seems a lot of work and risk, but by taking on this "quest" I could easilly shave off 1-2 months
from my next harvest date...

More Info If U still reading, lol...
I need to secure some windows and perhaps the door with burglar-proof gear here at my current shitpit.
Perhaps the new appartment door also. I ain't startin nuttin without proper security again. This allways costs...

It seems like a fools errand, but, I'm bored as hell and itching to get my hands on the new batch.(Bear this in mind)

Do comment!

 

[Corpsey]

maybe pop those seeds and veg till you can clone, and then throw the seedplants in 12/12 to see them ladies, then toss the male clones accordingly. then you can have the clones vegged, and trained to be smaller for transport.
good luck with the move, it feels so good to start clean!

 

[Sweet Inc.]

yeah, I was thinking that also, though growing those 12 babies would deplete my medium totally. no grow-shops here dude

 

[PrimoVG]

hey sweet!

hate to rain on your parade but starting your grow now will most likely complicate things for you,,maybe you could start 'em a little later so you only have to move small plants,,i'm not familiar with satori but I understand it's sativa dominant...

maybe, you could grow 4 of them @ 12/12 from seed and make some f2's before you move...or if you could stay at your current location until your first harvest and then move...

good luck bro

 

[Sweet Inc.]

Yeah, I've thought about growing mothers, but I'd like to get my hands on all possible phenotypes for cloning. (hence the twelve plants)

(edit Seems I might be jumping the gun here, clearing all this bs byrocracy outta the way.
I'll be wiser come monday, but it would look like two months is the more propable wait...
In this time I could establish a clone army from 12 plants, while the mothers would be sexed two weeks before the relocation.
I'd get rid of the male clones and big plants at that time as well...I'm blabbering, perhaps, high as hell...

edit II: I friggin hate apartments. I Knew Primo was still checking this thread
Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

 

[Hammerhead]

Anytime I rent I changed the locks. They might not like it it but to bad. They should be giving you 24hr notice before entering.

 

[PrimoVG]

Yeah, I've thought about growing mothers, but I'd like to get my hands on all possible phenotypes for cloning. (hence the twelve plants)

(edit Seems I might be jumping the gun here, clearing all this bs byrocracy outta the way.
I'll be wiser come monday, but it would look like two months is the more propable wait...
In this time I could establish a clone army from 12 plants, while the mothers would be sexed two weeks before the relocation.
I'd get rid of the male clones and big plants at that time as well...I'm blabbering, perhaps, high as hell...

edit II: I friggin hate apartments. I Knew Primo was still checking this thread
Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

yeah man, i'm still around...this thread hits close to home you know..

since you're considering starting your grow at your current location, I take it you're looking for a speedy first harvest (who isnt?)...i think making clones will be your best bet for a quick first harvest...if you make seeds (which may take a bit longer) you'll get more phenos to play around with...

growing in an apartment (the only place i've grown in) has it's pros & cons, just like any other grow...I think one of the best things about my apt. would have to be the landlords, they never come and never call, I just deposit the rent in their account and thats about it...one of the things I dont like is haulin' the dirt...what a pain! also,, drilling into the ceiling or walls makes me a bit self-conscious for obvious reasons...

what are you doing sweet,,soil or hydro? I personally would've gone with hydro if it weren't for the higher start-up costs...with dirt a lot of your time will be spent on cleaning up (so important when avoiding pests),, but on the other hand, soil is maintanance free compared to hydro, imo...

what grow style are you thinking of using?,, I do small trees (3-5 feet) in 3 gal pots w/ stakes and topping...I like it this way because I have fewer plants to tend to, a plus when time is an issue...each plant will yeild at the very least 1.5oz dry...many say, that you can yeild an ounce for every gallon of soil...

I ask about your growing style, 'cause Its something I failed to plan for when I started out,,just a heads up

like hammerhead said, buy the new locks, for your front door and for your grow room(s)...you're playing russian roullette if you don't...i told the landlords the old lock was getting stuck,,I dont think they really cared...

 

[Sweet Inc.]

I've got 20 Satori seeds just wanting to get germed... But, I'll do 12 plants, 2x6 pot trays under 600W. I'll be looking for single-colas to fill my 1m2.The system is a coco drip-feed with coco/perlite mix, Canna A&B, PK 13-14, Also I'm gonna apply a D.I.Y bio-filter with GHE Biomagix.
This, in theory, should allow me to use up the last of my bio-bizz nutes as supplements if needed.At least TopMax will be used, I'll have to see how the bio-scheme plays out.My timetable with the move seems to change every day, I'm getting fukk*** frustrated, plus, I've got some outdoor plants in the works.
I did close to 10km hiking in the woods looking for growspots today.

 

[Joey56789]

I know it sucks, but I would wait Sweet.

 

[ddrew]

Many, many people quietly doing it all over the country.
Killswitch
Privately owned, smaller places, 4plex, duplex
Overkill on the odor
Action plan for all possible emergencies made and drilled into your head.

 

[Sweet Inc.]

I know it sucks, but I would wait Sweet.

I ain't into that
But that small voice somwhere in the vacuum of my head is saying so also. I'm gonna start'em up anyhoo,
moving them to a new location won't really be a problem, and I've got my growbox->

up and running, shame to let it go to waste, no? :smile:

on another note, been waiting on a delivery for two weeks now, after some Sherlock Holmes-type of diggin I found out that the courier service fucked up with my info, they'll be bringing it tomorrer. I'ma germ em' seeds this week
(Feels like I'm hoggin this thread...)