how much FloraNova in DWC?
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What does the bottle say? Use half of that and see how it goes.
It is the first time using FN too, and off to a rocky start. Trust your meter to tell you the EC, that stuff is concentrated. Having a problem with some NL ladies right off the bat. pH is in range, went from 5.3-5.8 in a week and a half, but they look burnt but was started at .5 and has not moved either way. Could low humidity cause it?
2.0 EC is supposed to be full strength, work your way up to it...every strain is a lil different. I too would like some advice on FN. Thanks!
2.0 EC is supposed to be full strength, work your way up to it...every strain is a lil different. I too would like some advice on FN. Thanks!
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narutonut
Here is what Hydro-Soil uses for mix with his Flora Nova. "Lucas Formula for Soil and Hydro, perfect for Soil Mums and Hydro harvests.
(FloraNova Bloom exactly 8ml/gal RO water throughout Bloom, NO additives. Whatever formula you prefer for veg. With me it's FloraNova Grow @ 5-7ml/gal of RO water. )
Excellence in Simplicity"
In my experience DWC is best with a very low EC/PPM as the improved oxygenation from all the air stones keeps the nutrients available to the plants for much longer than with other systems. So as Pirate and others have told me LESS IS MORE. Hope this helps!
(FloraNova Bloom exactly 8ml/gal RO water throughout Bloom, NO additives. Whatever formula you prefer for veg. With me it's FloraNova Grow @ 5-7ml/gal of RO water. )
Excellence in Simplicity"
In my experience DWC is best with a very low EC/PPM as the improved oxygenation from all the air stones keeps the nutrients available to the plants for much longer than with other systems. So as Pirate and others have told me LESS IS MORE. Hope this helps!
What is your EC or PPM at 5-7 ml per gal grow? When do you start feeding them that dosage? These are from seed, and have only been getting nutes for about 12 days, but are 3 weeks old. Everyone who has done DWC know more is less in DWC, and every strain is different...but always used Technaflora which is like 6 parts and wanted a one part nute.
Started with .5 EC 300-350 ppm and 5.3 pH, That should be fine...but it is not. Only thing out of wack is humidity...so low it just says LOW on thermometer. Could that be screwing up everything, because everything else is pretty ideal! Not sure how seedings do with FNB, Lucas Formula in a bottle. Didnt want to veg that long, but they are gonna need more time than expected because they are lagging. One in the middle is the only decent looking one out of 3. They are crisping us from the bottom, but newer growth is ok as of now. There are rust spots too.
Not trying to highjack your thread, there is a thread here put in infirmary http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2178008&posted=1 if anyone can help it would be much appreciated!
Started with .5 EC 300-350 ppm and 5.3 pH, That should be fine...but it is not. Only thing out of wack is humidity...so low it just says LOW on thermometer. Could that be screwing up everything, because everything else is pretty ideal! Not sure how seedings do with FNB, Lucas Formula in a bottle. Didnt want to veg that long, but they are gonna need more time than expected because they are lagging. One in the middle is the only decent looking one out of 3. They are crisping us from the bottom, but newer growth is ok as of now. There are rust spots too.
Not trying to highjack your thread, there is a thread here put in infirmary http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2178008&posted=1 if anyone can help it would be much appreciated!
Anyone else using FNB to veg?
pH 5.3 is bordering on dangerously low. Under 5.5 things start locking out.
So should it be bumped up to 5.8? What ranges do you like to stay in? Technaflora was like 5.8-6.2, but heard FN ranges were lower. Never used GH products before. Thanks!
i thought in general for hydro ph should be 5.5-6.5 perferably 5.8? mine never moves away from 5.6-5.9
petemoss
Active member
I've used Lucas ratio of 8-16 ml/gal Micro and Bloom, which is nearly identical to FloraNova Bloom as far as NPK values. The GH nutes are self-buffering and seem to gravitate toward 5.8 to 6.0 PH. One thing to keep in mind is that GH recommends not mixing FloraNova with water until you are ready to use it; don't store nutes diluted with water, as the nutes start to crystalize out of the solution once diluted. Also, the FloaNova is very thick and should be well mixed either with a paint stirrer or diluted with water and mixed up (but used right away). For veg, start with EC 0.8 (400 ppm@ 0.5), or about 1/4 strength and ramp up gradually. If you are using an additive such as CalMag+, mix the calmag to EC 0.4 and then add FNG until EC reaches target of 0.8. Personally, I don't see why I should change from Flora because the FN is fixed at 0-8-16 and I may want to use a different ratio- such as 6-9 (micro-bloom) for coco and the Flora mix is not thick and syrupy like the new Nova formula.
We lack a magic number. No one pH reading provides all nutes. I provide a swing between 5.5-6.0 over the course of a week or two. I had the grow "dialed in" for close to month. Nothing moved but the waterline. Wide spread nute lockout was the eventual reward.
SKUNK420
Member
DWC nutrient strength
DWC nutrient strength
thanks for the input guys.
i think i'm going to just start on the low side 250-350 [email protected] and see what happens. i've used the Flora series in dwc before, worked really nice. i've also used the Flora series and FNB in two exact flood & drain systems and the FNB was just as good if not better then the Flora series. i still like them both, i've always liked GH stuff.
DWC nutrient strength
thanks for the input guys.
i think i'm going to just start on the low side 250-350 [email protected] and see what happens. i've used the Flora series in dwc before, worked really nice. i've also used the Flora series and FNB in two exact flood & drain systems and the FNB was just as good if not better then the Flora series. i still like them both, i've always liked GH stuff.
I used floranova bloom for veg and flower
500ppm (net) of the fnb for veg it has plenty of n
flower on a nine week strain would go something like this;
600
700
750 ~ 1000 strain dependent this is where I'd top out
750 ~ 1000
700
600
500
0
0
I also liked to run with striaght gh bloom added to and in place of the fnb later in the cycle as i found the fnb had too much n to get a good flush so something like this again for a 9 week strain
FNB GH Bloom
600
700
700 100 or more
700 150 or more
700 150 or more
300 250
200 250
0 150
0
500ppm (net) of the fnb for veg it has plenty of n
flower on a nine week strain would go something like this;
600
700
750 ~ 1000 strain dependent this is where I'd top out
750 ~ 1000
700
600
500
0
0
I also liked to run with striaght gh bloom added to and in place of the fnb later in the cycle as i found the fnb had too much n to get a good flush so something like this again for a 9 week strain
FNB GH Bloom
600
700
700 100 or more
700 150 or more
700 150 or more
300 250
200 250
0 150
0
buzzerd
Member
Flora Nova Charts
Flora Nova Charts
here you go skunk this should do it i included GH 3 part also you can use that for a reference......sorry for the links but hey you got the charts now
keep it green......buzzerd
http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=73735&ppuser=2329
2329fn_feedchart.jpg
http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=73734&ppuser=2329
2329ghfeed_chart.jpg
Flora Nova Charts
here you go skunk this should do it i included GH 3 part also you can use that for a reference......sorry for the links but hey you got the charts now
keep it green......buzzerd
http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=73735&ppuser=2329
2329fn_feedchart.jpg
http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=73734&ppuser=2329
2329ghfeed_chart.jpg
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banjobrain
Hey everyone...I'm a noob preparing for my first grow.
I'll be doing a DWC (or SWC...whatever you want to call it) ScrOG grow in an NGB style cab.
Can anyone provide me with a good thread or source for obtaining some more information regarding DWC methods?
Thanks!
I'll be doing a DWC (or SWC...whatever you want to call it) ScrOG grow in an NGB style cab.
Can anyone provide me with a good thread or source for obtaining some more information regarding DWC methods?
Thanks!
SKUNK420
Member
interesting nutrients program sugarbear also nice cabinets you got. i used to have a U2 and a C13. i never thought of using for grow but anyways the bloom side of your program is what i'm checking out. i already got all my nutrients (all Gh fnb,f+,kb) and do not plan on buying more but if i get some more $$$ i may buy some flora series bloom and try an experiment on a single 5 ga. bucket.
bumped the nl up last week to 600-700 ppm. pH 5.8-6
They have grown alot in a few days, but they are not looking any better! Rust spots are moving to newer growth. Switched out buckets and refilled with new nutes, still nothing changed. Switching to 12 and 12 now because of height restictions, What should be done? Not sure what is wrong.
Thanks!
They have grown alot in a few days, but they are not looking any better! Rust spots are moving to newer growth. Switched out buckets and refilled with new nutes, still nothing changed. Switching to 12 and 12 now because of height restictions, What should be done? Not sure what is wrong.
Thanks!
Hey FreezerBoy,
What did you do to fix your widespread nute lock? Had the pH too low, so bumped it up and it is staying around the 6 area the past few days. Purple stems and thick fake feeling leaves, rust spots showing on newer growth. PPM staying 600-700. Need help bad! Would clones from them be ok? One of three is really sad, One is growimg alot faster, but has almost N overdose look, slight claw today. Middle girl is the best, but not perfect. Weird looking leaves.
Sugarbear,
What kind of lights are you using with those numbers? Did you have any signs of def or any problems? These girls have not like life so far. Feel like a newbie again. Never had issues like this before! Using 400 watt hps and cfls in a cabinet. Only change made was hood.
Please give any suggestions that might help!
What did you do to fix your widespread nute lock? Had the pH too low, so bumped it up and it is staying around the 6 area the past few days. Purple stems and thick fake feeling leaves, rust spots showing on newer growth. PPM staying 600-700. Need help bad! Would clones from them be ok? One of three is really sad, One is growimg alot faster, but has almost N overdose look, slight claw today. Middle girl is the best, but not perfect. Weird looking leaves.
Sugarbear,
What kind of lights are you using with those numbers? Did you have any signs of def or any problems? These girls have not like life so far. Feel like a newbie again. Never had issues like this before! Using 400 watt hps and cfls in a cabinet. Only change made was hood.
Please give any suggestions that might help!
Country Mon
Active member
For what it's worth to you, I have used FloraNova in DWC buckets (recirculating) @ 8 ml/gallon, which comes to about 1300ppm @ .7 conv. for me, with excellent results. I use it from day one of 12/12 under 1000w. eye-horti bulbs.
I have also done many many grows in the same system using just GH 0-8-16 with no additives, which also comes to about 1300 ppm @ .7 conversion.
Maybe I should try it at 1200 ppm? I don't really see any reason to go lower as I have had such good results at 1300 ppm.
For veg I go 0-5-10 with the GH 3 part series. This has worked out really well for me. Haven't tried the FloraNova in veg.
I try to stabilize my nutes at 5.5 before the pump-in (I mix a day or two ahead of schedule in a garbage can). With FloraNova I notice that they tend to slowly climb upwards towards ph 6 over 5-7 days or so, at which time I bring them back down to 5.5 again. I change everything every 2-1/2 weeks or so, then run 3 days of "flush" before harvest at about 300ppm.
I have also done many many grows in the same system using just GH 0-8-16 with no additives, which also comes to about 1300 ppm @ .7 conversion.
Maybe I should try it at 1200 ppm? I don't really see any reason to go lower as I have had such good results at 1300 ppm.
For veg I go 0-5-10 with the GH 3 part series. This has worked out really well for me. Haven't tried the FloraNova in veg.
I try to stabilize my nutes at 5.5 before the pump-in (I mix a day or two ahead of schedule in a garbage can). With FloraNova I notice that they tend to slowly climb upwards towards ph 6 over 5-7 days or so, at which time I bring them back down to 5.5 again. I change everything every 2-1/2 weeks or so, then run 3 days of "flush" before harvest at about 300ppm.
Countrymon,
Are you growing from seed or clone? Do you think 700 is too low for the flip 12/12? They are one day into 12/12, but overnight the PPM went down on all of them. Could they be underfed? Afraid to burn them! Right now only one looks good out of 3, and even that one is not 100 percent.
If you can help it would be much appreciated! They are about a month old now.
Are you growing from seed or clone? Do you think 700 is too low for the flip 12/12? They are one day into 12/12, but overnight the PPM went down on all of them. Could they be underfed? Afraid to burn them! Right now only one looks good out of 3, and even that one is not 100 percent.
If you can help it would be much appreciated! They are about a month old now.
