NGB (OG) Cabinet Modifications - Thoughts/Ideas/Suggestions?

[Green Smoke]

I'm interested in seeing pics of these darkroom louvers, and of your build. I got the whole idea of dual intakes, and losing the pvc from Minds i. Reading the older NGB posts have helped me a ton. So has Sketchup. I am getting everything I need for the inside before I actualy build the cab. Right now, I am stuck on what kind of hinges to use for the doors.

Props to Pipe Dream, Yukon, minds i, Freezer Boy, Connesouir300, Steve59, Hempybucket, Thundurkle, Dr. Bud and ofcourse NGB. I have lurked all of you and am both thankful and impressed.

 

[banjobrain]

I'm interested in seeing pics of these darkroom louvers, and of your build. I got the whole idea of dual intakes, and losing the pvc from Minds i. Reading the older NGB posts have helped me a ton. So has Sketchup. I am getting everything I need for the inside before I actualy build the cab. Right now, I am stuck on what kind of hinges to use for the doors.

Props to Pipe Dream, Yukon, minds i, Freezer Boy, Connesouir300, Steve59, Hempybucket, Thundurkle, Dr. Bud and ofcourse NGB. I have lurked all of you and am both thankful and impressed.

Just received my darkroom louvers today!

I'll post some pics of them tomorrow. I'll be working on it throughout the day and if I'm lucky will have some more progress made.

They look pretty sweet and should work well.

More updates to come! I'll try and get some pics of the hinges I'm using as well. It's a real headscratcher. Almost any hinge will work, and even though it'll be a stealth cab, I still want it to look sweet and function well. Let me know what you find out regarding hinges...

 

[banjobrain]

I couldn't wait...I just ordered my beans from Mandala.

• Satori
• Sadhu
• Hashberry

I had a hard time making up my mind, but I figured that I had to start somewhere! I'll be doing this for a while, I reckon and there's plenty of time to try out other strains in the future!

Time to hit the sack and so I can get up and work on that cab tomorrow!

 

[banjobrain]

Gluing, clamping and caulking this morning...still a little early for power tools


argh, argh, argh (spoken in Tim the Tool man's "man" voice...you know, that barking thing)

 

[K.J]

I couldn't wait...I just ordered my beans from Mandala.

• Satori
• Sadhu
• Hashberry

I had a hard time making up my mind, but I figured that I had to start somewhere! I'll be doing this for a while, I reckon and there's plenty of time to try out other strains in the future!

Time to hit the sack and so I can get up and work on that cab tomorrow!

Oh man, nice beans! I love the Satori and have heard nothing but good about other Mandala strains. I'm thinking of Kalichakra myself.

 

[Green Smoke]

I couldn't wait...I just ordered my beans from Mandala.

• Satori
• Sadhu
• Hashberry

I had a hard time making up my mind, but I figured that I had to start somewhere! I'll be doing this for a while, I reckon and there's plenty of time to try out other strains in the future!

Time to hit the sack and so I can get up and work on that cab tomorrow!

Hope you grow it right the first time bro. Until I know I can grow properly, I'm going with good ole bag seed. Best of luck to you, I'll be watching your progress.

Pics,....did someone say pics? Especialy those louvers. How much did they cost anyway?

Peace

 

[banjobrain]

Hope you grow it right the first time bro. Until I know I can grow properly, I'm going with good ole bag seed. Best of luck to you, I'll be watching your progress.

Pics,....did someone say pics? Especialy those louvers. How much did they cost anyway?

Peace

Ok! Here are some pics for you, Green Smoke!


The louvers are available at B&H Photo Supply for about $25 a piece. See the following link to check them out.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/43104-REG/Doran_PRDV99_DV_99_8x8_Light_Tight.html

Well, the walls are almost complete and I should have more pics tomorrow! Hopefully, I'll be able to make some good progress and have this thing looking more like a cab than some scraps of painted wood laying around my living room!

 

[banjobrain]

Finally! We're getting somewhere!

Finally! We're getting somewhere!

Ok, guys! Finally making some progress! Below are some pics of the finished walls. I didn't bother posting pics of the top, back and doors, as they are simply painted wood cut to fit.

An earlier post shows a photo of the bottom of the cab, with a hole cut to fit a 8x8" darkroom louver. The shelf inside the mother room will allow air to flow around it which will be passively drawn to the utility room and out to a scrubber.

A combined shot of all three walls. The walls are ~42" tall and 24" deep.

The interior view of the outside flowering room wall. All "seams" have been caulked and will be caulked again to the top, bottom and back when it is assembled to make it completely air and light tight.

This is the middle wall which faces the flowering room. The larger holes are 4x4" PVC Closet Flanges (great idea from YUKON) and the smaller holes are two small pieces of 1 1/2" pvc. Better explanations follow below.

A close up view of the closet flanges and pvc tubes. The larger holes were cut with a 4" hole saw and the two closet flanges were inserted into the holes. A bead of silicone caulk was run around the hole when inserted and also around the pvc inside the flowering room to ensure it being air tight. The 4" flanges will be utilized later should I choose to operate the cab with two 150w HPS cooltubes. For now, I plan on vegging with CFLs, but I wanted to have the option to easily make changes and/or modifications.

With that being said, the two 1 1/2" pvc tubes serve no purpose other than being a "utility" tube to run cords into the utility room if need be. Until I need them, they will simply be capped off. The 1 1/2" pvc tubes did not fit quite right after cutting the holes with the hole saw, so I had to wrap tape around the tubes until the proper width was reached and then an ample amount of Gorilla Glue was used and they were forced in the hole. The expanding glue created a tight seal and therefore, no caulk was used.

Hindsight is 20/20, and now that I think about it, I wish I would have placed the utility holes near the top of the utility room. I am wondering if their location near the floor of the room might interfere with the power strips. Oh well. At 12" wide, 24" deep and 15" high, I shouldn't have any issues regarding usable space in the utility room.

This is how it will look when not using the HPS cool tubes and the utility tubes.

Just another view of how the flanges and tubes are capped. The closet flange cap is a "cleanout" fitting with a plug that screws into it. The smaller utility tubes are simply fitted with a cap. Both "caps" fit tightly, but are easily removed.

This is the inside view of the middle wall for the mother room and utility room.

This is a picture of the outside wall of the mother room/utility room. The photo below shows another photo of how the wall was constructed. Like YUKON's design, it allows for a removable shelf, allowing easy access to power strips, ballasts, cords, etc.

Notice how the inside "rails" are not painted. This will allow for easier sliding of the removable utility shelf.

Well, that's it! After receiving some response an my ventilation question, the work will continue! Thanks for checking it out!

 

[Weedman Herb]

I'm having a Psychic Moment ...and I even consulted Ms Cleo for verification ... as the mist clears all is told ... The Spirits have spoken ... That cabinet is going to rock the nuggage.

 

[NOKUY]

this looks strangely familiar...good job bro!

 

[Green Smoke]

That's what I'm talking about! Those louvers are D-shit. Very well done.

 

[banjobrain]

Help with ventilation!

Help with ventilation!

Ok...so here's my situation.

I believe I will have more than adequate ventilation in my flowering room, but I am wondering about my mother room.

I was considering putting the other 8x8" darkroom louver on the floor of the mother room, but as it turns out, I don't think I'll have the space to do this.

So...here's my thoughts. I will cut a hole and mount the 8x8" darkroom louver in the corner of the mother room so that air can enter from the front of the room. I will cut a smaller hole on the top right side of the rear wall inside the mother room and mount a small fan blowing outside of the cab. That way, air will be drawn passively throughout the mother room, providing a constant supply of fresh air. A poor diagram of my idea is below.

I believe it was Green Smoke who suggested the idea of having separate intakes for the mother and flowering room, providing the freshest air possible to the plants.

• I'm just wondering if this would be the best way to accomplish this.
• I could always cut a hole in the door of the mother room as well and have the intake come from the front of the cabinet, and "pass through" the plants directly, too! Hmm...

What do ya'll think???

 

[Green Smoke]

Ok...so here's my situation.

I believe I will have more than adequate ventilation in my flowering room, but I am wondering about my mother room.

I was considering putting the other 8x8" darkroom louver on the floor of the mother room, but as it turns out, I don't think I'll have the space to do this.

So...here's my thoughts. I will cut a hole and mount the 8x8" darkroom louver in the corner of the mother room so that air can enter from the front of the room. I will cut a smaller hole on the top right side of the rear wall inside the mother room and mount a small fan blowing outside of the cab. That way, air will be drawn passively throughout the mother room, providing a constant supply of fresh air. A poor diagram of my idea is below.

I believe it was Green Smoke who suggested the idea of having separate intakes for the mother and flowering room, providing the freshest air possible to the plants.

• I'm just wondering if this would be the best way to accomplish this.
• I could always cut a hole in the door of the mother room as well and have the intake come from the front of the cabinet, and "pass through" the plants directly, too! Hmm...

What do ya'll think???

An 8"x8" intake for the mother chamber is going to give you a ton of air, no matter where you put it. Those louvers have me going back to the drawing board. That's the best idea since the "cab of the future" design.

 

[banjobrain]

An 8"x8" intake for the mother chamber is going to give you a ton of air, no matter where you put it. Those louvers have me going back to the drawing board. That's the best idea since the "cab of the future" design.

Thanks for the props on the louvers! EDIT - I must give credit where credit is due, however...I first saw the idea on AesNewGrower's cab plans, I think.


I was thinking about a small computer fan (or something) blowing out at the rear of the mother room to move the air around...

Do you think that would even be necessary?

• Could I just install the louver with a fan in front of it drawing into the room, or would I be better off with the original idea of having a fan drawing the air "through" the room?

 

[banjobrain]

bump - trying to get some response to post #92 and #94...

 

[Green Smoke]

I thought you had a Dayton 265 blower. If so it should be enough for everything. Have it pull both chambers to the utility chamber where it's scrubbed and exhausted. I only like computer fans for stirring up air within a chamber.

 

[banjobrain]

I thought you had a Dayton 265 blower. If so it should be enough for everything. Have it pull both chambers to the utility chamber where it's scrubbed and exhausted. I only like computer fans for stirring up air within a chamber.

Ok...I follow you.

So, do you think it would be necessary to have some "elbowed" pvc tubes from the utility room into the mother room? Does the mother room need to be light tight?

Remember, I'm a noob, so I don't know this...but since I'm not flowering the mothers, any light that would indirectly get in there shouldn't cause any problems, right?

I don't anticipate any problems with light leaking into the flowering chambers, as the light for the mothers should coincide with each other and only more light being provided to the mothers during vegging, correct?

 

[Green Smoke]

Correct

 

[K.J]

Very nice job! It's all clean and neat. It certainly reminds me of Yukon's cab, as you often mentioned. He was a big inspiration for me as well. Congrats!

 

[Guest]

Hey mate, glad to see you surging ahead while I'm sitting on my laurels!

Very cool that you're trying the louvers, I'm really optimistic that they'll be a good low-profile way to trap light.

I am not sure how you're planning to light your mothers; I was assuming I would want 24/7 light on them. I'm going to use a minimal number of CFLs for mine, enough to keep them alive, but not so much that I have to trim them back like a madman. If you're going to light them like this, I would make the mother/flower light seal top priority; you don't want mother light getting in during your dark phase.

About the separate intakes, just be careful that both chambers are pulling in adequate amounts. I had played with this idea, but decided to go with in-the-flower, though-the-wall, out-the-filter. This may mean my mothers don't get as "fresh" air, but I am pretty confident my fan will move a lot of air, and this maximizes the amount of fresh air going into the flower chamber, the one I really care about. I'm betting the mothers can survive fine with second-hand air as long as that air is being exchanged quickly enough.

My main concern with separate intakes was weighting the impedance depending on where my fan intake is in the box. If the fan intake is in one chamber, and that chamber has large enough intakes to outside, I am afraid too little air will move through the other room. It will draw primarily from the less impeded path

I'm sure it will work out, particularly with a plenty-plus-extra fan, just be wary of this sort of impedance mismatch.

Looking great bro, making me really itch to paint mine and move it along. You're gonna be knee deep in nugget before you know what hit you!

ANG

Edit: About the mothers: Are you planning to keep your mothers in veg and bonsai, take clones from them and grow them to harvest in your flowering chamber, or are you planning to drop mothers into your flowering chamber, take clones from them, and start new mothers? I don't think either approach would change the 24/7 in the mother chamber, but I always assumed I would do the former so I wouldn't mess up my clones and lack new plants. I have read about people doing the latter, but then the mothers become more of a veg plant than just a clone source. I think this would be less optimal with a tiny mother room with weaker lights.