Why the sudden rush to Legalize? $$$$

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

obama has been president for over a month and they
have already raided over 25 establishments...
15/25 were patients growing for personal use .... so im not holding my breath

 

[Koroz]

obama has been president for over a month and they
have already raided over 25 establishments...
15/25 were patients growing for personal use .... so im not holding my breath

I could give a response about why in my opinion he didn't just "sign a paper" stopping it in his first month of office but in reality it wouldn't change your opinion, nor would it change mine.

So really, I guess in the end, there just are some things that people won't see eye to eye on, and for me saving a few hundred million jobs was more important at the time then stopping DEA raids a month earlier. But I respect your opinion differs from that, and Its great that we can both have those difference of opinions but I have to leave with this question:

Was the fact he is putting a stop to it good enough? Or will he never live down the fact he didn't do it in the first month of his presidency?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I could give a response about why in my opinion he didn't just "sign a paper" stopping it in his first month of office but in reality it wouldn't change your opinion, nor would it change mine.

So really, I guess in the end, there just are some things that people won't see eye to eye on, and for me saving a few hundred million jobs was more important at the time then stopping DEA raids a month earlier. But I respect your opinion differs from that, and Its great that we can both have those difference of opinions but I have to leave with this question:

Was the fact he is putting a stop to it good enough? Or will he never live down the fact he didn't do it in the first month of his presidency?

i still hold strong belief obama isnt going to change anything. and if he
does tell DEA to stop raiding, i only imagine they would create a new entity
that is not under his jurisdiction to continue raids.....

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

i still hold strong belief obama isnt going to change anything. and if he
does tell DEA to stop raiding, i only imagine they would create a new entity
that is not under his jurisdiction to continue raids.....

Considering the past and what many people have experienced at their hands that view does not surprise me. Having boots to the head and loaded safety off automatic fire arms pointed at you and your friends/family/ect. is no fun. While the cautious approach makes a lot of sense, I am going to be opportunistic about this and exploit it for what its worth. Why the hell not. These chances only come once in a lifetime. You can pick your own cards from the deck right now, why wait and be dealt the remaining crappy ones?

 

[suburbantoker]

i honestly can't believe people are so fiercely against this.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Considering the past and what many people have experienced at their hands that view does not surprise me. Having boots to the head and loaded safety off automatic fire arms pointed at you and your friends/family/ect. is no fun.

ahh,,so you have had play time with agents also??

ive been in robberies and raids:::and ill tell you 1st hand,,,
id rather be in a robbery than a raid anyday... thugs just want money and
weed. feds want your money and your weed. and they also love
to beat your ass while in handcuffs and smash up your store for no reason..

and if some how obama does manage to end the raid:::::

i fucking PRAY ,, PRAY TO MY GOD, that we get a few rogue agents
who think they are doing gods work and continue raids. it would serve no better justice
to see these fucking vermin executed like the criminal thugs they are..

 

[suburbantoker]

If you were to lose your livelihood I think you might be upset too. Big commercial money making growers have been taking big time risks to get their weed to the masses. If it weren't for them the prices of good herb would be higher than they already are for the average toker. They have a legitmate say in this too. Their perspective is just as important. Maybe the idea of having to be subjected to a background check to get state approval to do what he has been doing for years makes same people upset. Probably cause those people won't get approved for some bs reason the state gives because it can't have everyone growing now.. Since the background check is an issue I stuggle with, I am going to get myself grandfathered by incorporating my medical grow with the state as coop biz with a few other patients. That way if ab 390 does pass I have two different routes, hook up med patients with cheaper weed because they paid doctors tax instead of being super lazy, or going commercial w/ a grandfathered in licence. I don't think the background checks will be a big deal for the first round of licence applications anyways.

so are you saying people should abuse the mmj system so that you can benifit from this bill not passing?

 

[jawnroot]

Paying all that in taxes and licenses to be allowed to do something I have been breaking the law doing for goin on 20 years? No thanks but it will open many doors(good and bad).

If you're a personal grower, you will not have to pay any tax at all. No fees associated with doctor recommendations, nothing. Check out the Summation thread.

If you're a commercial grower, you'll have to get a $5K license like every other manufacturer of libations.

 

[jawnroot]

Big commercial money making growers have been taking big time risks to get their weed to the masses.

And those risks would be gone if it was legalized. The only reason someone would not want a bill like this to pass = keep it illegal to keep prices high.

If it weren't for them the prices of good herb would be higher than they already are for the average toker.

The prices cannot get any higher than they already are, and will only go down if it was legalized.

 

[suburbantoker]

no sense in arguing, they want to make their money the only way they know how because they have no other skills

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

no sense in arguing, they want to make their money the only way they know how because they have no other skills

they = government

 

[suburbantoker]

thats the best you could come up with?

 

[Aeroguerilla]

marijuana being illegal only puts more power in the peoples hand, goverment does not want that, they want to govern u, put u in a box, confine u... that is y they are trying to incorporate the ever so powerful underground weed market into there economy! its the only way they can CONTROL it! sad but hey its bound to happen someday

 

[Koroz]

marijuana being illegal only puts more power in the peoples hand, goverment does not want that, they want to govern u, put u in a box, confine u... that is y they are trying to incorporate the ever so powerful underground weed market into there economy! its the only way they can CONTROL it! sad but hey its bound to happen someday

tell that to the 20 million people who have been locked up for non violent cannabis use. I think they would all disagree with you that keeping it illegal is better because it keeps it in "our" hands.

 

[one Q]

Ok, Now I have sometihng to say.

Ok, Now I have sometihng to say.

I may sound like a total freak but here it goes...

Ok, we all want to do what we want (grow) safely, Right? Well then. This forum is NOT going to change what is going to happen. Pirate and all them arguee and the pollies are NOT on here trying to see what's OUR oppinion.
SO PLEASE STOP Youre arguing with the WRONG PPL!
Keep doing what youre ALREADY doing Being safe, or as safe as possible. Get involved if you can/want in the best way you can/want. Let's see what happens.

Some may be missing the point. Now I Live in the FAR S.E. and am waiting paitently for all this to be figured out. WHY? Because what happens there will spread here over time. Even if a VERY LONG time, the south is like that.

I think that we should not be disagreeing on what the bill SHOULD look like. Let's see the bill, read it, understand it, even go so far as to memorize it if your that passionate. Make notes of what you want as the ideal. Then once it's a safer environment you can be more foward about how it should be. Then improve the bill over time with action, what ever they may be.

In my honest opinion, any step in "legalization" is good. Face it man, the US is jacked up. Herb will not just be taken off the table for "them" to look foolish. They are going to tax it one way or another, this is unavoidable.

At such a pivotal point in Canna history we should be happy that this is on the table. This may sound bitch to some. I dont mean to sound submissive, but "they" are doing their thing regaurdless of "us". Growers have been doing their thing regaurdless of "THEM". Remeber that.

I would love to start a business based on MJ so I welcome this. (though my biz has nothing to do with the plants themselves.)

It bothers me to see us fighting amongst ourselves over dumb shit. Lights, growstyles, wether a bill is good enough, bickering. Remember this effects all of us, not just cali.

Quality

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

so are you saying people should abuse the mmj system so that you can benifit from this bill not passing?

No I am saying that I am a medical patient and I could use my skills, knowledge, and experience to take care of other patients and not get screwed with state tax shit. It's not abusing anything... but what the hell a government doctor diagnosed me as an cannabis abuser already... I guess its medical. Check my photos if you don't believe me.

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

ahh,,so you have had play time with agents also??

No actually I have had the great Karma of quitting while I was ahead in my questionable activities that could lead to them fucking with me. Seeing enough Ford vehicles around makes ya kinda jumpy, and sometimes karma itself intervenes like the time when I couldn't fly to Jamaica because of some bureaucratic bs, that saved me from a really bad sentence. Damn I can't talk more about this subject,... I have danced the dance in so many ways with pigs its not funny....... pm me if you really want to know

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

And those risks would be gone if it was legalized. The only reason someone would not want a bill like this to pass = keep it legal to keep prices high.



The prices cannot get any higher than they already are, and will only go down if it was legalized.

True the risks would be gone, but we should respect those that have taken the risks before we reached this point. If it wasn't for a grower who broke prohibition laws odds are you wouldn't even know what Cannabis is.

Are you sure about the prices? I think higher quality cannabis will command a higher price since the proliferation of lower quality stuff will flood the market. If they do go down ... grower to grower check your fucking costs... you will see that you really can't charge that much less.

 

[jawnroot]

Remember this effects all of us, not just cali.

Quality

That's the point. That's why I'm so passionate about it, and can't stand any member of the MJ community speaking out against it.

 

[jawnroot]

True the risks would be gone, but we should respect those that have taken the risks before we reached this point. If it wasn't for a grower who broke prohibition laws odds are you wouldn't even know what Cannabis is.

Are you sure about the prices? I think higher quality cannabis will command a higher price since the proliferation of lower quality stuff will flood the market. If they do go down ... grower to grower check your fucking costs... you will see that you really can't charge that much less.

What exactly are you trying to say? That out of respect for profiteering greed mongers we should keep MJ illegal, and put all ourselves at risk in the process? That's like saying we should have kept booze illegal for the benefit of Al Capone and his chronies.

Regarding price, lower quality weed will command lower quality prices -- the budweiser of bud, if you will. Higher quality stuff -- similar to what most of us smoke -- will remain at around the same price point it is now. There is no possible way the prices can get higher. Prices topped out in the mid nineties, and have held constant since then in spite of inflation, because if it got any higher patronage would go down -- people simply cannot afford higher prices.

If anything, once reefer is released onto a free-market system (as opposed to a black-market system), prices will come down due to competition.