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Best Suggestions for Making A Polyhybrid

  • Gypsy`s Moroc x Afghan

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • Gypsy`s Mazar-I Freebies

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Golden Triangle Akka "Yunnanese Indica"

    Votes: 11 36.7%
  • Malana

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • Parvati

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • Pahari Farmhouse

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • Highland Lao

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Kerala

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Sheberghan

    Votes: 4 13.3%
  • englishrick`s ThaiStick Seed`s

    Votes: 10 33.3%

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englishrick

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i recently cracked a few seeds from a good batch of ThaiStick,,,i have seen the plants and i like there style "TALL..thin leafs, many fingers".....picks in a week "if peeps want to see them" ...a friend of mine is happly growing them, as if they were houseplants


Ive been thinking about using seeds from many companys,,,,,1 is Gypsy Nivana for his Morocan x Afghan....

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Breeder : Nirvana Seeds Standard
Flowering Time : 8 - 10 weeks
Environment : Indoor,Outdoor,GreenHouse
Origin : Morocco / Holland
Maroc x Afghan is truly a classic F1 hybrid of two of the tastiest hash producing strains known to man. The Moroccan seed stock comes from a Ketama hash plantation and has been inbred for 9 years. Yields are promising. Fantastic for small scale urban hash operations. Water hash from this strain has an exotic import flavour.


""""..."This seems to be a nice bace for bringing down the flower time of the longer flowering Sativas...Gypsy`s Mazari Freebies look wickid too"....."""""

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Another company im interested in is "The Real Seed Company"....they carry realy old LandRace seeds ,,,,here are some pics and examples...

Highland Lao
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Genetics: Traditional Southeast Asian Ganja Cultivar
Type: Pure Landrace
Variety: 100% sativa
Height: 1-2 metres
Harvest Date: November/December
Flowering: 14 - 18 weeks
Characteristics: Excellent mould resistance.

A superb ganja sativa grown by the Hmong people of Lao producing a very high quality finished product. Buds have large calyxes and a sweet and tangy taste with slight sandlewood undertones. The high is very intense but not unpleasantly pushy or racey as some Southeast Asian sativas can be. It cures to a light green colour. As well as having excellent mold resistance it is a great breeding parent. Indoors this requires skill: it can be vegged on 14 hours light. Flowering is more profuse on 11 hours light. This is a late maturing strain that will require a greenhouse at northern latitudes.



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Golden Triangle Akka "Yunnanese Indica"
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Genetics: Traditional Southeast Asian Ganja Cultivar
Type: Pure Landrace
Variety: Native Indochinese "Kansha" Indica
Height: up to 2 metres
Harvest Date: November-December
Flowering: 14 - 18 weeks
Characteristics: Very large seeds with thick shells.

This is an unusual and aromatic "kansha" (ganja) variety from the Golden Triangle region of Lao. It is cultivated by the Akka people who originate in the Yunnan region of South China. This strain is part of the "Yunnanese Indica" genepool. Cannabis researchers have recently suggested that all cannabis drug cultivars (both sativa and indica) could have originated from this landrace region in Yunnan.

These are vigorous plants with surprisingly dense buds, abundant trichomes and intense aromas of spearmint, catnip and citrus. This is a drug cultivar which smokes very smoothly and produces a very mild, moderate stone. Flowering tips are also used in medicine and traditional cuisine. It is a strain for every serious collector to preserve and investigate further. It has very large seeds with thick shells.



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Kerala
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Genetics: Traditional South Indian Ganja Cultivar
Type: Pure Landrace
Variety: Highland Ganja Sativa
Height: 2 metres
Harvest Date: Late December - Mid January
Flowering: 14-18 weeks
Characteristics: Minty flavour and potent, energising high; quite small, dark seeds.

This is a classic Keralan strain from the highland growing regions of the Western Ghats, reputed to produce the finest ganja in South India. It is cultivated at altitudes of around 1700m-2100m.

This is a classic sativa strain with narrow leaves, heavy side branching and multiple bud sites.

It is harvested as late as mid January, by which time the buds cure to a deep brown colour and have a tangy minty aroma.

The aroma when smoked is heavy, sweet and pungent. The effect from this Keralan strain is up and creative, racy and energizing, but without an edge of panic or paranoia. It is a refined high quality strain with great breeding potential.

Photo is from early flowering in late September.


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Malana
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Genetics: Malana (Himalayan domestic charas strain)
Variety: Mostly sativa.
Harvest: end October to mid-November at 30O North.
Height: 2-3 meters in natural outdoor environment.
Yield: 1 to 2kg of dried flowers in natural outdoor environment.
Aroma: Sickly sweet - overripe fruit and mango, Indian milk confectionery, cat-piss.
Characteristics: hardy, vigorous strain with indica wide leaved characteristics, intensely resinous


This famous North Indian charas sativa grows on the high sun-drenched ridges of Himachal Pradesh around the famed village of Malana (renowned for its hand-rubbed top quality charas). Intensely aromatic flowering tips gleam with trichomes and virtually drip with resin. Plants reach heights of over 3 metres and are vigorous and prolifically productive. First-rub charas is produced from these plants with intense care, and is soft and easily molded by warm hands. Aromas are reminiscent of overripe fruit and mango, and are sickly sweet like traditional Indian milk confectionary. Consumed in moderation this strain gives a bright, cerebral buzz which is very sociable and giddy; larger quantities produce a highly mind-altering psychedelic effect.

This is the Champagne of the cannabis resin market.



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Sheberghan
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Genetics: Traditional Afghani Charas Cultivar
Type: Pure Landrace
Variety: Native Broadleaved Charas Indica (Sieving)
Height: up to 2.5 metres
Harvest Date: October/November
Flowering: 9 - 11 weeks
Characteristics: Definitive charas strain

Sheberghan arguably produces the definitive charas of Northern Afghanistan. Exquisite aromas of juniper, orange essence and cocoa and a distinct red tinge characterize the first grade sieved garda from this region. Reaching around 2 metres in height this is a classic Afghani with a luxurious, dreamy and potent high and great medical potential.



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Parvati
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Genetics: Traditional Himalayan Charas Cultivar
Type: Pure Landrace
Variety: Native Charas Sativa (Hand-rubbing)
Height: up to 3 metres
Harvest Date: Late Oct-Beg November
Flowering Period: 10 - 12 weeks
Characteristics: Thought to have a high CBD Content.



This is an intensely resinous and hashy flavoured strain from the famed Parvati growing region. This strain produces a naturally soft and oily black charas with a classic rich aroma. Hand-rubbing of this strain begins in mid-October and finishes in the first week or two of November. Typically grown on mountain slopes at around 3000m - 3500m, this Parvati variety has an easygoing smoking high of moderate potency. It is thought to have a high CBD content with medical potential and is recommend to those looking for something traditional and flavoursome without the angst and unease of some more modern Western varieties.



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Pahari Farmhouse
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Genetics: Traditional Himalayan domestic charas cultivar
Type: Traditional landrace/pure-bred.
Variety: Pure sativa (100%)
Height: 3-4 meters in natural outdoor environment (Himalayas)
Yield: 1 to 2kg of dried flowers in natural outdoor environment
Aroma: Raw carrot, green mango, some lime
Harvest: end October to mid-November 30O North.
Characteristics: Narrow leaved, robust, excellent mold resistance.



This domestic sativa produces large potent and hardy plants with superb mold & disease resistance and handsome yields. Large aromatic plants which grow in the heartlands of Saivite (Shiva) Hinduism, they produce a delightfully euphoric and energetic, long-lasting high. Less resinous than their Malana cousins, and closer in style to the strains of West Nepal, they produce a hard potent charas, which has an intense psychedelic effect. Aromas are of raw carrot, lime, with mango-like scents. Final harvest is in the first half of November (which gives a fuller stone with warm euphoric effects in both body and mind), though hand-rubbing can begin as early as the beginning of October (which produces a more heady, rushy effect).



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Ive been thinking about making my own Polyhybrid in the future...

i have my own ideas in mind, but im sure some of you guys will have much better ideas,,,please inspire me and every other reader,,any sujestions on seeds, breeding, prosess and plant combination are welcome...

THANKS FOR READING
rick
 

englishrick

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ITS A MULTI CHOICE POLL.............

PLEASE CHOOSE ALL THE STRAINS YOU WOULD CROSS IN YOUR POLYHYBRID, BEFORE YOU SUBMIT YOUR ANSWER.............


I PICKED.....Moroc x Afghan.....Golden Triangle Akka "Yunnanese Indica"......Malana.......and my ThaiStick Seeds
 
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cannabowl

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yo, how's it goin rick?

Sounds like a fun project. I chose moroc x afghan, Mazar, Marvati, and Malana. Good luck man.
 

DocLeaf

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Yo Rick :wave:

Here's some breeder info:

Nirvana Seeds BV = Co-operative Dutch seed collective based on old Positronics stock... including Maroc x Afgaan.

Gypsy Nirvana = Owner of ICMag,, this forum,, and the Gypsy Nirvana Seed Collection... including Mazar Freebie.


Breeding definitions: (someone please correct us if we get it wrong)


Maroc x Afgaan is a 'Hybrid' (heterogeneous seed line)

Kerala and Thai sticks = 'landrace ibl' (homogeneous seed lines)

Maroc x Afgaan X Thai sticks = a 'dihybrid' line.

Thai sticks x Kerala = Thai-Kerala F1 Hybrid

Maroc x Afgaan X Thai-Kerala = Poly-hybrid


Any NEW cross is an F1 (first filial generation) however only those crosses from ibl/landrace parents are true F1 Hybrids.

The F1 Hybrids are what breeders aim to produce. Since the plants will contain "hybrid vigor" and make a good crop yield.

The poly-hybrids on the other hand produce lower yields with less vigor than F1 Hybrids, in general. The dihybrids are between.

All the best,, please keep us updated :yes:

Hope this helps.
 
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hey doc...thanks for adding the info
DocLeaf said:
Nirvana Seeds BV = Co-operative Dutch seed collective based on old Positronics stock... including Maroc x Afgaan.

Gypsy Nirvana = Owner of ICMag,, this forum,, and the Gypsy Nirvana Seed Collection... including Mazar Freebie.

are you sayin there are 2 different Maroc x Afghan,,,,1 is from Gypsy and 1 is from Nirvana Seeds BV..??..

an the Nirvana BV seeds are baced on Positronics suff.....when Gypsys Moroc x Afghan is from differnt/other sources....???




DocLeaf said:
The F1 Hybrids are what breeders aim to produce. Since the plants will contain "hybrid vigor" and make a good crop yield.

The poly-hybrids on the other hand produce lower yields with less vigor than F1 Hybrids, in general. The dihybrids are between.

what would you call Sagamartha Seeds: Mongolian Indica, ?...


i love the idea of using Moroc x Afghan to start Polyhybrid....its so easy and sutch a good choice..IMO...what do you think doc

Moroc x Afghan x ["Yunnanese Indica" x Malana] = POLYHYBRID....sounds goooood too

"Yunnanese Indica" x Malana x [Highland Lao x Sheberghan]
 

englishrick

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SK1 = Afghan x [Aco.gold x Col.Gold]......is that a di hybrid??

Sagamartha Seeds: Slyder = NL x Mongolian Indica...what is this??....i emigine this is a true F1 if both the NL and MI are real IBL`s
 

DocLeaf

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Rick your confusing yourself already.

Gyspy Nirvana = Gypsy Nirvana
Nirvana B.V. = Nirvana B.V.
Skunk #1 = ibl (its an inbred variety)!

Hope this helps...
 

englishrick

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Sorry man,,,i didnt know Gypsy Nirvana and Nirvana B.V. are 2 different banks,,,,,,i saw the Nirvana B.V. catologue years ago, but i assumed it was Gypsy

Doc...SK1 sounds like a Di Hybrid beffore it was incrossed or backcossed,,Afghan x [Aco.Gold x Col.Gold]

will this be a good Polyhybrid :...Moroc x Afghan x ["Yunnanese Indica" x Malana]
 

DocLeaf

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Rick ,, yes that would make a poly-hybrid line.

May be think of it like in dogs :

poly-hybrids are the mongrels. Genetically they are weaker than their hybrid cousins and show more variation in lineage because they share lots of different grandparents. e.g. Bubble Axe is a poly-hybrid and gives different shape and size plants.

landrace are the pure breeds. Genetically they are in-bred and homogeneous and look nearly the same. Traits within ibl lines may however show inherent weaknesses e.g. hermaphrodites in commercial thai weed as a result of successive open breeding.

F1 hybrids are the crosses between two pure breeds. Genetically they display the traits of both parents. F1 hybrids are stronger than pure breeds and poly-hybrids in lineage.

Once hybridized , Skunk#1 was inbred over many many generation to produce a homogeneous line of pure bred / true breeding plants. These plants make the best parents because they are predictable and reasonably stable in lineage.

To add,, most of the "clone-onlys" (with the exception of Cheese) will produce di/tri/poly/hybrid off-spring and are usually totally unstuitable for breeding new F1 Hybrids with!

Hope this helps
 
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Rick ,, yes that would make a poly-hybrid line.

May be think of it like in dogs :

poly-hybrids are the mongrels. Genetically they are weaker than their hybrid cousins and show more variation in lineage because they share lots of different grandparents. e.g. Bubble Axe is a poly-hybrid and gives different shape and size plants.

landrace are the pure breeds. Genetically they are in-bred and homogeneous and look nearly the same. Traits within ibl lines may however show inherent weaknesses e.g. hermaphrodites in commercial thai weed as a result of successive open breeding.

F1 hybrids are the crosses between two pure breeds. Genetically they display the traits of both parents. F1 hybrids are stronger than pure breeds and poly-hybrids in lineage.

Once hybridized , Skunk#1 was inbred over many many generation to produce a homogeneous line of pure bred / true breeding plants. These plants make the best parents because they are predictable and reasonably stable in lineage.

To add,, most of the "clone-onlys" (with the exception of Cheese) will produce di/tri/poly/hybrid off-spring and are usually totally unstuitable for breeding new F1 Hybrids with!

Hope this helps
:headbange Right on, excellent break down. Rick, I look forward to seeing what you produce bro. Awesome stuff.
 

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this year im planning chucking loads of polen......

a Dihybrid is sounding less and less interesting tho.....the only thing that makes me think a DiHybrid is any good is SK1.... Afghan x [aco gold. x col.gold]...."i know SK1 is an IBL, but it must have been GOOD as a DiHybrid first,,,,an it did catch samS`s intrest"

one of the first crosses i will do this year will be an F1hybrid from Cheese and my ThaiStick plants.....this project is easly done and i think its a nice mix....."i hope Cheese shows its Afghan Heritige and calms the Thai down"....
 

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FROM THE POLL IT LOOKS LIKE ......TOP 3 ARE

Golden Triangle Akka "Yunnanese Indica"

Gypsy`s Mazar-I Freebies

englishrick`s ThaiStick Seed`s


SO IT LOOKS LIKE...... Mazar x [Yunnanese Indica x ThaiStick Seed]......THE TOP DIHYBRID
 
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Id cross the kerala to the malana and cross the thai to malana as well, then cross these two lines to get a nice hybrid
 

englishrick

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Id cross the kerala to the malana and cross the thai to malana as well, then cross these two lines to get a nice hybrid

so [Kerala x Malana] x [Thai x Malana]......"sounds good" would you use the same Malana farther....or would the Malana be Female ??......do you think there is enough Indica in this cross?.......is this a DiHybrid?

it reminds me of SSH....[NL x Haze] x [SK x Haze]....using the Haze 2 times

when i see this ....""""[Haze x NL] x [SK x Haze]""""....i get an image of smashing NL and SK inbetween 2 Haze rocks.......:)
 
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F1's are not real breeding, IMO. F1's are fine if you like to buy brand new seeds each time you grow or are able to keep clones.

For outdoor growers though, F1's suck unless like I said you buy new beans every season or you do your own selections with them and do the actual breeding yourself. They are alright for that cause the strain would be more adapted to your specific climate, but they are still overpriced for what they are, especially since they are generally from VERY limited "gene pools" often even 1:1 crosses

F1's are great for commercial seed makers though cause they can just keep the same few clones and keeping pollinating the same females with the same males over and over, year after year, and never have to do any breeding pass the initial selections.
 

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i thought sometime about this rick ... some of those things listed are for sure real nice ... hopefully the stock is big enough to make serious selections

some ideas

parvati x mazar

kerala x parvati

kerala x mazar

kerala x parvati/mazar

malana x parvati

malana x mazar

malana x parvati/mazar ...


cross the best lines into the best female found in all the " Sheberghan's " you have

btw ... it will need much time and much more effort and dedication to run through a very large amount of beans accompanied by keeping males of the different line's alive while they are in testing

have fun and plz post some pix of whatever cross you will do and keep this one alive here ... :smoke:

Fj
 

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im only a polen chucker but my passion will make me try....il probbly be able to go through 25 seeds of each,,,but its defo impractical at doubble figures...i wish i was doing it outdoors......ive got to adapt the genetics to indoor gardening too...id love an NL Lookalike....do you think its nessary to incross the Landrace First before i make a hybrids?

so you like the,,, kerala,,parvati,,mazar,,, malana

why a mother from Sheberghan's .....is this a good one??? "maybe the best"????

do you not fancy the "Yahhuna Chinese Indica"?....i thought this 1 was gona be new stuff and sepecial
 
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so [Kerala x Malana] x [Thai x Malana]......"sounds good" would you use the same Malana farther....or would the Malana be Female ??......do you think there is enough Indica in this cross?.......is this a DiHybrid?

it reminds me of SSH....[NL x Haze] x [SK x Haze]....using the Haze 2 times

when i see this ....""""[Haze x NL] x [SK x Haze]""""....i get an image of smashing NL and SK inbetween 2 Haze rocks.......:)

yes, the same father or you could go the other way and use a malana mother

the idea would be to try to get a nice hybrid with indica trichome production (from the malana) and sativa cannabinoid production (from the kerala and thai) with a nice woody incense-iness to it

by backcrossing in this manner you' be able to isolate a lot of the desirable traits from the malana, which will probably be the production, speed, and resin!
 

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i love the idea of using the same plant 2 times,,,,it reminds me of Shanti`s ssh,,,,NL x Haze x Sk1 x Haze,,
 

fjällhöga

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rick ... shanti didnt use the same haze male in his ssh , he used haze a and haze c , both males ...

do you think its nessary to incross the Landrace First

when you cross 2 landrace's you have a hybrid ... and you should definately know whats your target with the poly hybrid , should it have a more indica or sativa styled habitus , effects ... ??

i dont know if the shebergans are the best , its a pure indica preferably used for hashish producion , so they should have trichs that easily fall of when treshed over a sieve ...

keep em coming rick ... , i want to see you thinking a bit :D

Fj
 

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