HAMSTRING for president.....I like your style also....your wife is a lucky woman...
A message from Granny Storm Crow....
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It probably would have went better had she not made it look like Americans don't have their shit together and that's the reason marijuana is illegal.
That would be like me telling a Canadian that maybe they need to get their shit together because last I looked penalties in the most of the States are far less then in Canada....
I would only be joking of coarse.....
Americans don't have their shit together! And I am about as American as they get other than Native Americans. My people fought in the Revolutionary War ....So I love America, but there are things we NEED TO FIX. I am surprised that Canada has harsher penalties for weed. I always assumed Canucks were more liberal...at least BC....and I do think Mark Emory brought a lot of much needed attention to the movement. BUT WE NEED AN AMERCAN LEADER. Apathy IS the reason it is not legal....except I do understand Hamstrings problems getting involved because he has a family to support. I HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE ANYMORE.
I actually like Canucks as many of them live in my condo bldg as "snowbirds" you Canucks love the tropix....many of our nurses here in Florida are Canadians and agree about the weed laws. I will bash an American as fast as anybody if they are wrong.....nothing personal though.
APATHY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE......OK granny is through doing her ranting.
basically I am just a sweet little retired granny who now babysits the grandkids while my kids work. My kids are nurses also and agree with my pot activism. but hopefully I don't offend anybody....but man/woman up if you can't handle it. HAGO fellow stoners of the world....."GIT R DONE!"
I'm not even sure if the provinces in Canada have medical marijuana. KG could straighten that up for us.
As for American's "not having their shit together" as you say, what other Countries have you lived in? Nothings perfect anywhere. If Obama will stop the medical marijuana dispensory raids within his first year I will be happy with that start....
And as for Emery, I'm not even going to get started there. I hope you don't really think what he has done as help.....
As for American's "not having their shit together" as you say, what other Countries have you lived in? Nothings perfect anywhere. If Obama will stop the medical marijuana dispensory raids within his first year I will be happy with that start....
And as for Emery, I'm not even going to get started there. I hope you don't really think what he has done as help.....
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LolaGal
Emory not very popular in Canada I take it? I saw him on pot documentary and was not too impressed.... He seemed spacey and I think he would get on my nerves if I had to hang with him. I would like to steal his giant glass bong though....lol
I have lived in other countries because I am a military widow.
But to me personally America is where I want to be as I happen to think overall it is a great country...but not perfect...the attack on MMJ is an attack on democracy...the federal government undermines the people's vote.
An attack on the seriously ill, and threatens their physicians..their providers, and deny them their SAFE MEDICATIONS.
Unjust verdicts have lead to change in American history before now...
The birth of America was sparked a verdict in favor of the crown in the Paxton case challenging searches by the King's soldiers of colonial homes and businesses...
John Adams as a young court reporter at the time of the verdict wrote
"then and there, the child INDEPENDANCE was borne."
For many years, the federal government has abused the rights of citizens enforcing draconian drug laws....
it has brought out thr "warriors" like StormCrow and myself...
nationwide criminalization causing much more problems than legalization ever would...
in 2005 600,000 arrests for MJ alone...
Costing BILLIONS...spent arresting...processing...prosecuting...
crowding Americas ALREADY CROWDED jails and prisons...
America is the leader in incarceration rates...
But that is how I see it anyway.
I have hopes for Obama as he was putting a pro pot guy in the cabinet.
Gov. Bill Richardson NM...as he pressured NM legislature into passing MMJ bill in that state.
Obama offered him Sec. of Commerce, but alas he took a $50,000 contribution to his campaign from George Soros a left wing billionaire here...
So he had to decline...
So it seems like nobody likes Mark Emory here,,,,What about Ed Rosenthal?
I am fairly new in the MMJ movement because I was bustin' my ass makin' a living and raising my family.....sooo I am learning more daily about the leaders of this movement....BUT Ann Arbor, Michigan is a good model for MMJ which sprang all the way back to 69 where John Sinclair got 10 years for 2 joints...
John Lennon and Stevie Wonder were at the Free John Rally at Chrysler Arena.....3 days later Mich. Supreme court released Sinclair striking down Mich. laws as unconstitutional...
They have had the Hash Bash every year since and now have in Ann Arbor lenient MMJ laws because of this grassroots movement.
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LolaGal
I like Ed's books....seems pretty smart dude... He would be fun to hang with I bet.
Why can't Ed lead us then? We could draft him...LOL
The Ed Rosenthal case ignited Cali voters once...
Since Cali passed on Proposition 215 in 96...The feds have done its best to thwart the law...undermine the democratic vote. Docs threatened...state legislatures ignored...
Laws designed to stop drug kingpins like Pablo Escobar.....are being applied to Good Samaritans trying to provide meds for the sick in this country...INHUMANE to say the least!
Hey Lola...lets go look up Ed and convince him to lead the way.
The Government still don't take women seriously IMHO!
BUT BABY......We have come a long...long way! Yeehawwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!! oops.....sorry I am just a Texas girl and got carried away, but Lola understands...LOL
Well goin' over to greenpassion to vent there for a while....be back later.
I have the freakin' flu and I had the flu shot....I want my money back...doc said I needed it for the heart condition...but did not work for me....later my dear...
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LolaGal
I heard last year that Ed was fighting a bunch of marijuana charges & had his butt in a sling. Poor Ed, he's probably still nursing his wounds... I can't remember how it all turned out.. (heehee, can't remember much right now.... )
If we couldn't get it or grow it, the shit would start.
But we can, and we do, so the melancholy continues.
But we can, and we do, so the melancholy continues.
INDEED! That would stir em' up if they could not get it. I can easily get all I want...illegally though.....SOOO I should be apathetic cause I get mine...but I do care about the people who need it and are forced to break laws because of idiotic laws..
Some places it is more difficult to get though and some cannot grow.
Some kid here in my area recently narced out her dad who was growing and they took the kid away from him...for 4 plants....does that make sense to anybody here?
Ed's still at it!
http://cbs5.com/local/ed.rosenthal.marijuana.2.908021.html
Oakland's 'Guru Of Ganja' Appeals 2007 Conviction
SAN FRANCISCO (BCN) ―
Jan 14, 2009 2:17 pm US/Pacific
Oakland marijuana activist and author Ed Rosenthal asked a federal appeals court in San Francisco for a second time Wednesday to overturn his conviction for growing marijuana.
Michael Clough, a lawyer for Rosenthal, told a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, "This was not an ordinary drug case."
Rosenthal, 64, the author of more than a dozen books about marijuana, was convicted in federal court in San Francisco in 2007 of growing marijuana in an Oakland warehouse and conspiring to do so. He was sentenced to one day already served in prison.
He was convicted of similar charges in an earlier trial in 2003, but that conviction was thrown out by the appeals court because of juror misconduct.
Rosenthal claims his second trial was unfair because he wasn't allowed to present witnesses to corroborate his claim that he believed he was helping the city of Oakland carry out its medical marijuana program.
Clough has said that even though Rosenthal has served his one-day sentence, he is appealing because he wants to remove his felony record.
A three-judge panel of the appeals court took the case under submission after hearing arguments and will issue a written ruling at a later date.
Outside of court, Rosenthal has maintained he was growing starter plants for patients needing medical marijuana. But he was never allowed to make that argument in federal court because U.S. drug laws make no exception for California's voter-approved Compassionate Use Act, which allows seriously ill patients to use the drug with a doctor's approval.
His appeal claim is that he wasn't knowingly violating the federal law and believed he was protected from prosecution because he had been deputized by the city of Oakland.
Prosecutor Laurie Gray argued that claim is irrelevant because the U.S. law criminalizing marijuana cultivation requires proof only that Rosenthal knew that he was growing marijuana rather than another crop such as oregano. Prosecutors need not prove a defendant knew he was violating the law, she said.
Gray told the judges, "Growing marijuana is clearly a nefarious activity."
Gray said the evidence against Rosenthal was "overwhelming," since federal drug agents seized more than 3,000 plants during a 2002 raid at the Mandela Avenue warehouse in Oakland.
In the 2007 trial, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer said Rosenthal could testify about his beliefs concerning his actions, but said he could not bring other witnesses such as Oakland officials to the stand to corroborate his testimony.
Rosenthal ended up declining to testify and presenting no defense witnesses.
All three judges on the appeals panel questioned Clough about how Rosenthal could claim his trial was unfair when he was given the chance to testify, but refused to do so.
Judge Sidney Thomas commented that it appeared that "Judge Breyer leaned over backwards" to say, "You may testify to any thing you wish."
Judge David Ezra said, "It looks to me like Judge Breyer gave your client far more leeway than he was required to."
But Clough argued that Rosenthal was put in an "untenable position" because he would not have been able to offer witnesses to corroborate his testimony.
Thomas commented, "It's a unique case, but the policy issues are not really before us here."
Rosenthal said after the hearing, "This really isn't about me as an individual. It's about protecting the rights of all Californians to use marijuana."
His wife, Jane Klein, said "Ed was doing humanitarian work and shouldn't have a felony record."
Rosenthal said he isn't growing marijuana these days but is continuing to write books, testify as an expert defense witness in state marijuana trials and sell an herbal pesticide he developed.
http://cbs5.com/local/ed.rosenthal.marijuana.2.908021.html
Oakland's 'Guru Of Ganja' Appeals 2007 Conviction
SAN FRANCISCO (BCN) ―
Jan 14, 2009 2:17 pm US/Pacific
Oakland marijuana activist and author Ed Rosenthal asked a federal appeals court in San Francisco for a second time Wednesday to overturn his conviction for growing marijuana.
Michael Clough, a lawyer for Rosenthal, told a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, "This was not an ordinary drug case."
Rosenthal, 64, the author of more than a dozen books about marijuana, was convicted in federal court in San Francisco in 2007 of growing marijuana in an Oakland warehouse and conspiring to do so. He was sentenced to one day already served in prison.
He was convicted of similar charges in an earlier trial in 2003, but that conviction was thrown out by the appeals court because of juror misconduct.
Rosenthal claims his second trial was unfair because he wasn't allowed to present witnesses to corroborate his claim that he believed he was helping the city of Oakland carry out its medical marijuana program.
Clough has said that even though Rosenthal has served his one-day sentence, he is appealing because he wants to remove his felony record.
A three-judge panel of the appeals court took the case under submission after hearing arguments and will issue a written ruling at a later date.
Outside of court, Rosenthal has maintained he was growing starter plants for patients needing medical marijuana. But he was never allowed to make that argument in federal court because U.S. drug laws make no exception for California's voter-approved Compassionate Use Act, which allows seriously ill patients to use the drug with a doctor's approval.
His appeal claim is that he wasn't knowingly violating the federal law and believed he was protected from prosecution because he had been deputized by the city of Oakland.
Prosecutor Laurie Gray argued that claim is irrelevant because the U.S. law criminalizing marijuana cultivation requires proof only that Rosenthal knew that he was growing marijuana rather than another crop such as oregano. Prosecutors need not prove a defendant knew he was violating the law, she said.
Gray told the judges, "Growing marijuana is clearly a nefarious activity."
Gray said the evidence against Rosenthal was "overwhelming," since federal drug agents seized more than 3,000 plants during a 2002 raid at the Mandela Avenue warehouse in Oakland.
In the 2007 trial, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer said Rosenthal could testify about his beliefs concerning his actions, but said he could not bring other witnesses such as Oakland officials to the stand to corroborate his testimony.
Rosenthal ended up declining to testify and presenting no defense witnesses.
All three judges on the appeals panel questioned Clough about how Rosenthal could claim his trial was unfair when he was given the chance to testify, but refused to do so.
Judge Sidney Thomas commented that it appeared that "Judge Breyer leaned over backwards" to say, "You may testify to any thing you wish."
Judge David Ezra said, "It looks to me like Judge Breyer gave your client far more leeway than he was required to."
But Clough argued that Rosenthal was put in an "untenable position" because he would not have been able to offer witnesses to corroborate his testimony.
Thomas commented, "It's a unique case, but the policy issues are not really before us here."
Rosenthal said after the hearing, "This really isn't about me as an individual. It's about protecting the rights of all Californians to use marijuana."
His wife, Jane Klein, said "Ed was doing humanitarian work and shouldn't have a felony record."
Rosenthal said he isn't growing marijuana these days but is continuing to write books, testify as an expert defense witness in state marijuana trials and sell an herbal pesticide he developed.
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Good Morning Granny and Lolagal if out there today. I am surviving the flu.
Ed has done a lot for the movement it seems. He went through a lot.
ED IS AN AMERICAN HERO! but he can't do it all. Us aging hippies cannot do all the work and the younguns' are apathetic until they can't get MJ anymore or lose their job and children over it. I empathize with the patients Ed was helping....as Ed had to basically give it up per government harrasment....and he is 64 now.....again I say if you young don't step up to the plate....then YOU will live with these laws.HAGO GUYS...
Ed has done a lot for the movement it seems. He went through a lot.
ED IS AN AMERICAN HERO! but he can't do it all. Us aging hippies cannot do all the work and the younguns' are apathetic until they can't get MJ anymore or lose their job and children over it. I empathize with the patients Ed was helping....as Ed had to basically give it up per government harrasment....and he is 64 now.....again I say if you young don't step up to the plate....then YOU will live with these laws.HAGO GUYS...
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LolaGal
Morning MR, everybody! Thanks for the Ed update Storm Crow! Poor Ed. It doesn't sound to me like he will win that appeal.
I'm ever hopeful!
I'm ever hopeful!
The climate is changing, Lolagal- last year, you would have definitely been right...this year, it is a bit more of a maybe! Look at that CNBC poll- 97% in favor of decriminalization! Let's just hope the ever growing numbers of cannabis supporters (secretly) includes certain judges!
Granny
I'm ever hopeful!
The climate is changing, Lolagal- last year, you would have definitely been right...this year, it is a bit more of a maybe! Look at that CNBC poll- 97% in favor of decriminalization! Let's just hope the ever growing numbers of cannabis supporters (secretly) includes certain judges!
Granny
I myself do believe the climate is changin'...
The NE is starting to get more legalization, I was beginning to think it was impossible on this coast. But RI and Mich...has made progress. Problem is that politicians .....even the ones who are liberal are afraid to touch the subject. Like Gov. Bill Richardson of NM...he lost a chance at being in the Obama cabinet because of his actions on pot really and the contribution he took from George Soros. Political Suicide!
The NE is starting to get more legalization, I was beginning to think it was impossible on this coast. But RI and Mich...has made progress. Problem is that politicians .....even the ones who are liberal are afraid to touch the subject. Like Gov. Bill Richardson of NM...he lost a chance at being in the Obama cabinet because of his actions on pot really and the contribution he took from George Soros. Political Suicide!
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SmokeToLive
Cross site organization can help, but so can off site archiving. Consider secondary repositories of information and use those repositories to link back to the community. The cross-site organization can be handled by the people who own the community sites and the repositories can be made by the individual people.
Maybe a protected site somewhere for grow log templates / etc that people can use for their own sites?
Maybe a protected site somewhere for grow log templates / etc that people can use for their own sites?
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
WE STONERS are too busy getting stoned to GET ACTIVIST and the organizations and the stoners who care should organize and have a SMOKE OUT in D.C.
OMG there are not enough jails to jail all the stoners in America.
But I am retired and on a pension and I do understand that many have much to lose by coming out on it.....
But the retiring Baby Boomers have no EXCUSE!!!!
10,000 people a day are turnin' 60 every day.
WE were active in Civil and Feminist rights and we got change INDEED!
I know you young women don't really care how we feminists suffered so you could have "almost" equal rights these days,,,BUT the passion we put in those movements could change MMJ laws NOW!!!!
OMG just lookk at the progress already made. I hope stoners don't lack balls! or ovaries in the ladies.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
WE STONERS are too busy getting stoned to GET ACTIVIST and the organizations and the stoners who care should organize and have a SMOKE OUT in D.C.
OMG there are not enough jails to jail all the stoners in America.
But I am retired and on a pension and I do understand that many have much to lose by coming out on it.....
But the retiring Baby Boomers have no EXCUSE!!!!
10,000 people a day are turnin' 60 every day.
WE were active in Civil and Feminist rights and we got change INDEED!
I know you young women don't really care how we feminists suffered so you could have "almost" equal rights these days,,,BUT the passion we put in those movements could change MMJ laws NOW!!!!
OMG just lookk at the progress already made. I hope stoners don't lack balls! or ovaries in the ladies.
Marc Emery.
Marc Emory is a Canuck and is out for profits.
We need an American with some balls out for justice for the suffering..
The Canucks have made progress though. But Cuba has to be the worst place to get a pot charge.....they can execute you there. My Cubano exile son in law still freaks out when I light up. LOL. Pavlovian response I guess. Fidel made a believer out of him I guess!
We need an American with some balls out for justice for the suffering..
The Canucks have made progress though. But Cuba has to be the worst place to get a pot charge.....they can execute you there. My Cubano exile son in law still freaks out when I light up. LOL. Pavlovian response I guess. Fidel made a believer out of him I guess!
If we all work together, we CAN do it. It is not just about medical marijuana versus recreational marijuana. It is about what is right. If we accept just changing the draconian laws for medical marijuana then that is ALL we will get. They will be happy we want so little. This is why we have to work together. As Storm Crow said, together we are strong. Alone, we are all weak.
Peace
To Life
J-angel
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Peace
To Life
J-angel
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