I have hit a plateau. 150grams per grow

[wickedpete66]

Hey all . I am starting this thread because I have hit a wall. I cant seem to get any more than a half ounce per plant. My cab will hold 9 plants and I usually top out at 5 ounces. So I am asking the gurus for some help. My goal is to get an ounce per plant.

First let me give you a little bit of a background on my experience. I have been growing since 04 and probably have about 25 grows under my belt. I started off in soil and have been using coco since July 08. For ferts I have tried earth juice line and pbp in soil. For coco I started off with cns17. For this grow I am using Heads base gh nutes at 6/ml per gallon of micro and 9/ml per gallon of flower.

My set up is 2 hydro hut minis. The veg cab has a vortex 178cf cooling a 400watt cmh bulb. Flower cab uses a 4oowt hortilux hps and a 400wt agrosun gold metal halide in a hydrofarm growzilla hood.

The Grow is Mandalla's #1 strain started from seed in black gold seedling soil.

Now to get you up to speed on the grow. 9out of 10 seeds popped. They all have true sets of leaves and are ready for the transplant to coco. As you can see there is a nice little rootball

I have removed most of soil

and transplanted to coco

I watered with half strength of the 6/9 solution.

I will try to update pics at least every other day if time permits. Hopefully with your help I will hit that ounce per plant goal

 

[wickedpete66]

I might as well show whats going on in my flower cab. I have 7 white widow that were started as clones. 3 are in regular 1 gallon pots and 4 are in 3lt hempy buckets. They went into flower on 01/13 and they have been taking about 24-30 ounces of the gh 6/9 solution per day

 

[Pirate]

How long do ya veg for?
Do you or have you considered a perpetual type of grow? Having 2 cabs makes this a good option.

I will give a couple suggestions that might help.
Grow fewer.......Larger plants with a longer veg time. I grew a 1+ pound plant with a 400watt lamp (it did get a little residual light form a nearby 600 but not much) I grew it in a 3 inch net cup with aeroponics.

If I am not mistaken, you can get a 3x3 tray in the tent right? If so, you could take 50 clones from your mothers and grow them 5 or six inches apart in a SOG and pull 1 pound (give or take)
Here is 1 pound+ in a 3x3 tray. (I'll harvest this in 30 days)

Hope that sparks some thought.

 

[wickedpete66]

Hey Pirate thanks for stopping by. Unfortunately where the grow is located hydroponics isnt really an option. Thats why this grow will be hand watered for now. I just ordered some 2gl black buckets and will be finishing hempy bucket style, but thats as close to hydro as I can get. My veg times are usually 30-35 days depending on if I have room in the flower cab or not.

 

[AndreNicky]

The main options to increase your yield are to veg longer and/or add more plants, also picking high yielding strains doesn't hurt. You could also try topping or supercropping, if u don't already

 

[C21H30O2]

u veg for over a month and only get 1/2 ounce a plant ?? sure your getting quality coco? are you hand watering or drip feed? drip feeding multiple times during the day can help yield but something serious is missing if your growing a mandala strain, vegging for a month and only getting 1/2 oz in coco.

 

[whodi]

grow 2-4 big plants in 5 gallon pots each. veg for 2 months. after they reach 12 inches tall from clone, hang the bulb vertically and position the plants around the bulb in the middle.

While they are vegging 2 months, have 2-4 more plants, that have been vegged 2 months, flowering around vertical hung bulbs in your flower room.

Done.

 

[wickedpete66]

u veg for over a month and only get 1/2 ounce a plant ?? sure your getting quality coco? are you hand watering or drip feed? drip feeding multiple times during the day can help yield but something serious is missing if your growing a mandala strain, vegging for a month and only getting 1/2 oz in coco.

not just on mandalla strains but all strains that I have grown out. I feed by hand usually at mid morning. my light cycle is from 9am-9pm. so the lights are off by the time I get home from work

My problem isnt really during veg its when I flower. If you look at this pic of my flower cab these plants were vegged for a month. They were just put into flower a week ago. As you can see they are pretty good size and already showing preflowers. Now the ones on the right are in hempy buckets and this is the first time I have tried this method. These are nirvana white widow from clones

 

[wickedpete66]

grow 2-4 big plants in 5 gallon pots each. veg for 2 months. after they reach 12 inches tall from clone, hang the bulb vertically and position the plants around the bulb in the middle.

While they are vegging 2 months, have 2-4 more plants, that have been vegged 2 months, flowering around vertical hung bulbs in your flower room.

Done.

If I had a space bigger than 3.3' x 3.3'. vertical would probably be the way to go, but I have seen people grow nice size single cola plants with half the wattage that I have on 30 days veg in 1-2 gallon pots.

 

[wickedpete66]

OK so its been a couple days since I transplanted some of the seedlings from soil to cocoa. What I have noticed is a fast loss of nitrogen in the lower leaves. I'm not sure if this is from not enough N or to much potassium locking out the nitrogen. I'll have to keep an eye on the new growth

 

[whodi]

My advice would be to use fewer plants in bigger pots or a bunch of clones in a tray.. your choice.

If you're using h3ads formula then you shouldn't be getting any nitrogen deficiency.

make sure night and day temps are stable. And make sure you mix the micro in the water first.. shake or stir it in really well.. THEN add your bloom nutrients and shake/stir really well.. then make sure your pH is adjusted around 6. Not sure if you know, but never mix bloom before micro, or mix micro and bloom together before adding to water. Always add micro to your water first, then bloom.

 

[FunkBomb]

Hey wickedpete I've always liked your grows because they are similar to mine.

Have you thought about running perpetually since you have two Hydrohuts? You could keep some fat mama's in the veg tent, and perpetually flower clones in the flower tent. You would only need, at most, 2 gallon containers in the flower tent. If you got the square containers you could really pack them in.

I run a DR80 tent with an aircooled 250/400 (veg/flower) with a 4" Vortex on speed control. I use Sta-Green Planting mix soil mixed with perilite. All my fertilizers are Botanicare products including a few supplements. I hit good numbers every time, unless I get impatient at the end of flowering....

Here is the thread I've got now. Come on by and we can hopefully figure something out.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=107733

-Funk

 

[wickedpete66]

How do you upload photos. yesterday there was an option to upload when I opened up the ic gallery tab.

 

[Pirate]

In response to (your response to my post)

You don't have to do hydro for the SOG. You can use any method you want. Pots with coco if that's your preferred method.

I don't think you can beat a SOG yield indoors with any other method. Imagine 50 coke can sized colas in a 3x3 tray.

Just throwing it out there for ya.

 

[MeltingPot]

Are you adding anything to that 6/9 during flowering for a bloom enhancer???
ie/ Monster Bloom, Kool Bloom?
Also, the more plants, the smaller the pots...Grow big plants with big pots, get big yeilds for sure...if yer gunna go small pots, then do 50 in SOG like Pirate suggests.
My
Good luck MP

 

[wickedpete66]

Are you adding anything to that 6/9 during flowering for a bloom enhancer???
ie/ Monster Bloom, Kool Bloom?
Also, the more plants, the smaller the pots...Grow big plants with big pots, get big yeilds for sure...if yer gunna go small pots, then do 50 in SOG like Pirate suggests.
My
Good luck MP

nope just the 6/9 formula up to about day 21. switch to 6/12 up to day 28. Then just 12ml/gal up to day 56 then straight water to day 63. final flush. then harvest around day 65

 

[wickedpete66]

I seem to be haveng some issue with yellowing on a few seedlings. I know i left a bit of seedling soil on rootball so I have been waiting for the coco to dry a bit before watering again. I have been using 1/3 stregth of the gh micro/bloom formula at 2/3ml's per gallon. ph is at 5.8

 

[wickedpete66]

The white widow in flower cab is doing well. I think hempy buckets are the way to go if your not there to water a couple times per day. It leaves just enough nutrient water in the bottom to carry itself through the day. The white widow in the gallon pots take about 20oz's and the 3lt hempy buckets take about 40oz's. Of I try adding another 20oz's to the pots they just have all run-off

 

[Bush Dr]

How old is the Agro sun?

400 watts and the area is 3.3 x 3.3 ft?

Can you fit a pump, drippers and a run to waste system?

 

[wickedpete66]

How old is the Agro sun?

400 watts and the area is 3.3 x 3.3 ft?

Can you fit a pump, drippers and a run to waste system?

Both bulbs in the flower cab are brand new. There is a hps agro and a mh hortilux gold. 800watts total