Concentrates Vs. Marijuana and Physical Damage.

[Haps]

My hash is real nice, but it hits my lungs much harder than herb does. I rarely smoke it for that reason.

Green milk is the meds for me. This month, I took a half a zip and a quart of milk, deoxicarbolized the herb, cooked it in the milk for an hour, then strained most of the milk off. Then added water, reheated, and strained four more hits out of it. Then water/strain, did this four times, got four 3oz cups off each pressing, froze them marked with the pressings, ended up with 16 hits, some enough for a whole evening, or two highs. I kept adding water and pressing for five days, and finally got all the milk out of the herb, getting high each day off the watery milk. So for a little work, I got over twenty kick ass stones off a half zip, works for me.
H

 

[Smoking Gun]

I read that same CANorml study too. I continue to use my bubblers. I am not a big fan of the bong, although I will use it once in a while. Bubblers use less water and distance to filter the smoke, and should therefore filter out less THC than a bong. There are a few other reasons why I continue to use my bubblers. Even if they are filtering out THC they are also filtering out more nasty stuff than a regular pipe. I will take any filtration I can get. Also one of the most harmful things when smoking marijuana is the heat created and it passing down your wind pipe and into the lungs. The little bit of water filtration cools the smoke significantly making the smoke easier on the throat and lungs.

I also have my use very regimented, I rarely break from my dosage schedule. I never have to smoke too much, and really don't smoke any less when using a regular pipe. To be honest, the effects are much cleaner when smoked through a bubbler as opposed to a regular pipe. In fact I have a particular bubbler that I use most often as my results and regiment are perfectly suited to it. So the argument of needing more from a water pipe is nullified, at least in my case.

Another thing is the flavor is far better from my particular bubbler than most any other method. And I am very much a fan of lots of flavor from my smoke. Although this has little to do with the health effects, it is just one more reason I prefer my bubbler.

Finally on the note of water pipes vs. dry pipes; I use marijuana to aid my asthma. I often find that joints and dry pipes can bring on some of my symptoms rather than relieve them. Actually bongs can do that too, but this is usually due to simply trying to take in more smoke than my lungs can handle. But again with the proper sized bubbler my symptoms are relieved. Now this is simply anecdotal, and I have not done any real scientific studies to create truthful data on this. But I must admit I am surprised no one has done a counter study on this subject, or even another study to back it up.

Back to the topic of the thread, I would have to say hash would be healthier to smoke. All in all you are smoking less material to get the same effects. So any way to cut down on the material smoked and still get the same effects is healthier. The other thing is that combusting any plant matter is not particularly good for the body. With hash you have cut out the green plant matter and any nasty stuff associated with its combustion. So if you have made the switch to hash only I would say it is a good thing. But I would say water hash would be the cleanest. I personally like to stay away from anything other than water hash because of all the nasty things you have to put in there to make those concentrates.

 

[Smoking Gun]

If you're talking hash v bud, then yes, the hash is better. If we're talking concentrates, you've got to talk about my new best friend, the tincture

I take 1-2 Tbsp in the morning, and I'm medicated for about 12-14 hours. it has the strength and longevity of an edible, but you'll start feeling it within 15-30 minutes. After running through the pharmacopoeia and procedures, I tell you without reservation that this tincture has done more for my quality of life than anything else.

Give a tincture a try, you'll thank me. Plus, it's easy to get a measured dose.

Have you posted a recipe for this tincture on here? If not would you please do so?

Pythagllio, I know there are ways to make tinctures without alcohol. I believe they use glycerin as a base.

 

[NiteTiger]

The trouble with tincture is it isn't good for those of us that have a problem with booze. Lately I've been making up capsules using olive oil as a carrier. Same benefits as you're promoting but nothing to cause some people to wake up in a hung over stupor wondering what the fuck happened.

Perhaps we're not referring to the same thing when we are speaking of a tincture? I'm talking something that is taken by the teaspoon, or even tablespoon, not by the shot Being one of those folks you are referring to, you'll have no more reaction to this than you would to NyQuil. Certainly no hang over.

But, I do understand the concern, because there are folks who prefer to stay completely alcohol free. I like the capsule idea myself. Have you looked into the Cannabrex kit? I'm thinking of going that way once I get harvests coming in again.

Have you posted a recipe for this tincture on here? If not would you please do so?

I haven't, but I guess I could. Pretty simple really. Just an Ethanol wash reduced down. I could do a step by step, but I doubt anyone needs it?

 

[Smoking Gun]

I haven't, but I guess I could. Pretty simple really. Just an Ethanol wash reduced down. I could do a step by step, but I doubt anyone needs it?

It would be nice. As simple as it seems many people have their own little tweaks and ways of doing things. So I am always looking to compare methods. I like to see how the method I know differs from those other people use. Learning from other people is always nice, and that is why we are here. So I would love to see your method, it gives me something to learn today.

 

[Pythagllio]

Perhaps we're not referring to the same thing when we are speaking of a tincture? I'm talking something that is taken by the teaspoon, or even tablespoon, not by the shot Being one of those folks you are referring to, you'll have no more reaction to this than you would to NyQuil. Certainly no hang over.

But, I do understand the concern, because there are folks who prefer to stay completely alcohol free. I like the capsule idea myself. Have you looked into the Cannabrex kit? I'm thinking of going that way once I get harvests coming in again.

It wouldn't be the teaspoon of tincture that causes the effect, it would be the half gallon of rotgut that it could start me drinking. I don't touch Nyquil or anything else with alcohol for consumption.

I actually just stumbled on the cannbrex kit. I haven't really looked into it but intend to do so. It is my ultimate goal to only do edibles.

 

[NiteTiger]

Smoking Gun My tincture is really easy. I put in my trim (all I got right now, forgot it was in the back of the freezer ), and add enough Everclear to cover. Stir for a couple of minutes. You could go less and get a less, um, 'flavorful' tincture, but I need every bit I can squeeze out!

I then filter it back through a strainer and coffee filter back into the everclear bottle. I then fill a pot with water, and start it boiling. Once the water is boiling, I put the bottle of alcohol mixture in the pot of boiling water (sans cap, of course), then monitor it while the alcohol boils off. Once it gets down to 10-25% of the original, you'll notice it stops reducing at the same rate. This means it's as concentrated as it can get.

Remove from heat, cool. Use 1 tsp - 2 tbsp in the morning, shake well before using! Effects last between 6 and 14 hours, depending on dose. Each batch will be different, so you'll have to experiment with the proper dose of each batch.

Wonderful

Pythagllio I can certainly understand your position. I've never had a reaction, but of course someone else may respond differently. You're absolutely correct, if you think it could be a problem, best to err on the side of caution.

Definitely check into the Cannabrex

 

[Shcrews]

subject for study:


AAA bud Vs. bubble hash Vs. BHO Vs. Kif

what is most/least healthy (tar content, carcinogens, etc...)?????

that is the real question...

 

[dr.ofthesmoke]

When i smoked my weed i sounded like i had bronchitis all the time. Now i smoke hash all the time and my cough has disappeared. Plus, takes lot less to get me stooonedd. U just cant get enough of that good hash taste on the lips and deep stone. Miles above marijuana...miles above

 

[Truthman]

My hash is real nice, but it hits my lungs much harder than herb does. I rarely smoke it for that reason.

Green milk is the meds for me. This month, I took a half a zip and a quart of milk, deoxicarbolized the herb, cooked it in the milk for an hour, then strained most of the milk off. Then added water, reheated, and strained four more hits out of it. Then water/strain, did this four times, got four 3oz cups off each pressing, froze them marked with the pressings, ended up with 16 hits, some enough for a whole evening, or two highs. I kept adding water and pressing for five days, and finally got all the milk out of the herb, getting high each day off the watery milk. So for a little work, I got over twenty kick ass stones off a half zip, works for me.
H

It hits your lungs harder than raw bud because it contains more hygroscopic oils which absorb moisture from it's environment and in the long run this is not a good thing because the moisture is what helps the lungs do it's job.

You want to either use a diffused bong for best prevention of this harsh hit or put your hash in a tobacco humidor so these oils will already be well moistened and will actually help your lungs stay healthy because they aren't taking away any moisture but adding some along with their medicinal values.

Using a good bong along with hash/bud that has been in an humidor will make the smoke/vapor feel so smooth it will be like inhaling air that has taste.

 

[MaryJanes Juice]

Why don't you just make a coconut smoothie with raw bud. The cannabinoids will bind to the fats in the coconut... and you'll get everything else...terpenes..flavonoids...etc etc.? I got totally blazed off only a pinch of TRIM... i made a smoothie with fresh eggs, papaya, some orange juice, and a pinch of trim bud. It was amazing.

 

[Papulz]

tincture can be made without alcohol for those with the monkey on their back.
vegetable glycerin works as a solvent as well, its half as effective as alcohol however so takes more time to do its work on the source material.

 

[jump117]

tincture can be made without alcohol for those with the monkey on their back.
vegetable glycerin works as a solvent as well, its half as effective as alcohol however so takes more time to do its work on the source material.

Hey Papulz will you tell more plz share your experience.

.. we should probably take the finer points of tincture to a different thread

I couldn't find a tincture thread sadly

 

[NiteTiger]

I couldn't find a tincture thread sadly

I don't think there is one

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

Hey fellas it's really pretty simple.

Get a glass mason jar or euqivalent with a tight seal.

Grind up an ounce of your finest herb (more or less to suit potency)

Put herb and alchohal in jar, roll it around for maybe a few minutes each day.

After a couple of months, strain out the herb, and voila, tincture.


HOWEVER, you don't have to use alchohal. I know many won't use mouthwash, etc no alc in their system whatsoever.

So, simply use Pure Food grade vegetable glycerin instead of the alc and you are ready to go. Maybe slightly less potent but totally worth it in the end.

Peace

 

[NiteTiger]

Hey fellas it's really pretty simple.

Get a glass mason jar or euqivalent with a tight seal.

Grind up an ounce of your finest herb (more or less to suit potency)

Put herb and alchohal in jar, roll it around for maybe a few minutes each day.

After a couple of months, strain out the herb, and voila, tincture.


HOWEVER, you don't have to use alchohal. I know many won't use mouthwash, etc no alc in their system whatsoever.

So, simply use Pure Food grade vegetable glycerin instead of the alc and you are ready to go. Maybe slightly less potent but totally worth it in the end.

Peace

Months?! Gack, my tincture with trim already tastes like devil piss, and that's after only about 10 minutes, which is still way too long. Besides, with any alcohol, the trichs are stripped almost instantly, all giving it longer does is increase the chlorophyll and other nasty tasting shit that's going into your mix.

It's basically the same as QWISO, without evapping all of the alcohol. Think of it as drinkable oil.

 

[Nik Dynosaur]

that's what i was thinking when i read that NT.

I remember when i learned how to make iso, my friend told me we had to shake it every 10 minutes for 3 HOURS!!!!

that shit tasted terrible and was almost black

 

[Blue Dot]

Of course the vaporizor is heads and shoulders above every other inhalation method as it eliminates all but 5 chemicals, and only one of them a minor nasty.

THC: Boiling point 200 °C (392 °F) 0.02mmHg

Isopropyl alcohol: Boiling point 82.3 °C, 355 K, 180 °F

How does vaporization eliminate iso when iso's BP is less than THC's?

Obviously an iso wash is usually done and dried under ambient temps (not usually exceeding 100 °F) so the iso is gonna turn into a gas faster than the THC and get into the lungs.

Yes I know this only applies to iso but the same can be said for butane except wiki says the BP of butane is 31°F and I just have a hard time believing that nonsense.

Obviously only a 5 bubble bag ice wash would eliminate this but that's not the vaporizer that's eliminating it, it's the processing of the hash.

 

[jump117]

... use Pure Food grade vegetable glycerin instead of the alc ... totally worth it in the end.

Peace

I've read in wiki(RU) that glycerin works as a mild laxative as well.