MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Good one julian..

Im glad to hear that you are keepin up the hard work. I hope things go well for you on every front.

Thank you my friend.......my brother......and glad your well........

I am, and you know....something worthy of mention that I have touched on with people lately, and actually touched on here.... since I am as about as over-committed as can be is:

Sometimes....The better things get for people, the more comfortable and relaxed they seem to become.........

Sometimes the worse things look if plans aren't coming together, we become discouraged....

Being the obsessed sick fuck I am, the further I go, the more I work, the harder I push....(I mean, fuck man, if your almost where you want to be, is that the time to ease up?......)

I've got things right now been working for 2-3 years on......(others who have been a part of it at any given point have long given up and surprised I was still pushing and working on it....lo and behold, at the time when finally starting to come through ....)

Have something else I told someone would bring them in on, and, just today reminded them within couple weeks should finally be up and running..(they had long forgotten and given up.....)

I've got this upcoming season.......north...working on south......new business's.....new house......might end up not even being home for next 2-3 months for more than a couple days.....

Lesson for people: In the end, only due to not letting up....

Only........

Hard?........I'm fucking exhausted.

Difficult?.....rarely getting a spare minute anymore.

Lot of people....you "try" something....you want to do something....and, often, none overnight......

South?.....now it's looking like I might be on verge of multiples...(because worked on this one.........then picked up and started working on that one......then another came up.....and then yet another....none coming together, so, moved onto next,and I kept working on it anyway....)

Some comedy:
"Friends don't let friends drive drunk"

How about:
Growers shouldn't let growers do business with non growers



No man......I haven't given up on anything I have been working on for a long time.......while doing one thing, have been working on another...

Eventually?.....all comes together......

(New business's coming together well also......one recent could be up to 8k a week legally within 60 days if I keep pushing hard.......and if no one lets me down........and if I can make do with a little less (none) sleep ....)

Which in my mind all keeps with original tone.....and all full circle....

"Can't"?.......well, sometimes it may look like such.......feel like such.....I've pondered that word in relation to many things in private.....many times.....

Until I catch that "moment of weakness" and get past it.......

(Granted....doing/trying to do lot of things....can't cover everything myself.......which brings with it a reliance on other people/groups, etc.......which is where the problems start.......and continue...........and when talking new and different things and we have a "vision"......well, just makes it worse sometimes when dealing with people who might not have such.........)

Lot of other things I wanted to add.......haven't had a chance......some of interest....some funny.....some I think both.....

Found myself lately thinking of many things in yet a new and different light......(I think for the better..........positive results and outlook, etc.....)

Yeah man......I think upcoming months, many things going to come together I have been working on a long time......(and, since I spread them far and wide....well, even if half work out?.....then I'm still way ahead )

 

[oohcow]

so my question is a quick one....

for all of you that do it big.

Does legalization scare you? or is it another way to turn your gift into a legit form of business?

your thoughts/ .02 cents / opinions?

 

[pakalolo420]

Hmmm... haven't visited here in ages really. Good to see the thread(s?) still rolling.

One experience related to what you'd probably call "medium scale" (at best ) outdoor growing that will- if one is successful at any rate- eventually happen is that at some point one will realize that you've maybe made enough money to retire on. Maybe not in splendor or luxury, but that if you really wanted to you could live on what you've already got- at least if you don't plan to be 100.

My second and best grow partner came to this realization at one point. He had a decent career and we were coming off a couple of solid years and he had just bought a house and acreage from part of his earnings and told me that was it, he was through. He had realized that we had probably been pretty lucky to do as well as we had, we'd had a lot of fun, worked our asses off and had a couple of real close scrapes and come through it all with a nice nest egg and our sanity and humor still intact. At first of course I was upset as I had no plans to stop- I mean why stop when everything is just humming along so well- but after cooling down and thinking about it I not only understood where he was at, but decided he had made a good, rational choice. I found another partner (for logistical and security reasons I think two is the perfect number for an outdoor grow op for anything under a few 1000, even if it does mean a LOT of work for each) and did a few more albeit smaller grows and it was OK, but at some point had to ask myself if the perceived risk outweighed the perceived reward?

The answer- my answer- was that yes, the logical thing to do was to walk away and declare victory. When you've bought all the toys you want and have a good legit business set up and running and seen to your retirement, the upside that once drove you is no longer sufficient reason.

Don't ever be afraid to chuck it all if at any time it just feels right. Any real friends will eventually understand- especially if you help them transition. And if straight/retired life turns out to be just too boring you can always change your mind later.

Being ready to quit at ANY time will also I think help you make better decisions. You won't feel painted into a corner even if your intuition tells you to quit or take a break for whatever reason. Never allow yourself to be in a situation where you are obligated to act against your better judgment, even if that judgment is based on nothing more than a nagging doubt. Make it clear to anyone you have dealings with that it could all end in a moment and if that might be a problem, then they need to find or consider other options.

In the long term you might need that flexibility. Allow yourself it.

 

[oohcow]

^ this is extremely valuable advice.... thank you for the contribution.

retirement is nice....safe and nice. and safe is what people need sometimes.

 

[Julian]

As I myself become more familiar with various things I am beginning to realize how truly versed you are Julian. You don't make note/mention of it but you utilize high level business techniques throughout almost all your thought processes and writing. I notice leveraging, visualization, delegation, and a few others, but damn man, you could start a school just on the stuff you aren't talking about lol, but merely imply.

Well, thanks man....but, major ops?, in or out?...every one necessary and applicable.....Leveraging the smart choice in any situation....visualization?....not going to think it up in the first place or focus without.....Delegation?....back to square one.......no one can do alone......

Not the first time stated: What exactly am I implying? .....

Could you possibly give me some pointers or direction if I were trying to go deeper into this outer layer that surrounds everything.

You lost me a little........(if I am understanding correctly...because "the outer layer" of things can't be explained

This mainly deals with speech and speech patterns but I'm trying to learn more about "flow" which I believe is what you guys were referring to in these last couple posts. Athletes may describe it as being "in the zone", psychologists call it "in flow". I recently found a resource for many useful/practical business resources such as this. I guess they're life skills more so than anything.
That's pretty deep man.

Well.......I think everyone has an idea of "the zone"....but we'd probably all disagree slightly whether one can summon at will......it just "comes"....or can be a combination of both.....

For certain things?....for me?.....requires.........hmmm......focus...thought....etc.......(see, can't explain ), but then other times I would say "it just comes".....(women.....sometimes I'm fuckin "in the zone" , and other times couldn't get a number from a payphone ....is what it is.....

The ops?.......time alone.......in thought, and more in thought....focus...planning....some ferocity thrown in, etc.....and, in that scenario?....I would say a possibility it's created...

I think it is man...(deep)......

On the note of delegation.....I have recently been led to question and try and determine exactly what is possible by a smaller crew...(Was asked how many for what size...issue was security....and pondered exactly what...say, 5 people could do..........(up to trimming, and also including trimming), and, have to admit....still thinking about it but found of interest....

Several drills.....20hr days.....7 days a week?....even come cutting time....several machines.....20hr days, etc (Earlier in thread...I've personally done 20hrs a day, 7 days a week, for 8 weeks with 4 others trimming.....if no bullshit (popcorn).....possibilities might surprise one.......(I can do 2+/-p's an hour by hand if largest most solid stuff..(and pretty fun actually .....) It's the popcorn that makes it a nightmare...no fun, etc......Same 2 p's popcorn might take....fuck, who knows.......

Anyway...was questioned what kind of minimal crew for certain op....found it something of great interest and have been thinking quite a bit about it...

Hello Jules....crew
thanks for everything you add, it's not enough to thank you, b/c it's more of an inner swelling up than a mere 'thanks', something i expect others too get from this thread occasionally too
i like the approach of the last post, b/c i feel like events and interests of my life led me right to this thread, where I enjoyed every page of it, and how should I NOT grow when I've been gifted this special lesson
who am I to just walk away from what I've found and treat treasure like trash?
Good to see you say more on the logistics of actual planning this time, I THOUGHT I'd planned a grow last year, no, I wrote down a few possibilities and desires, but hardly created a plan of operation

thanks for the continuing advice
(hope its not greedy of me to be hungry for more, despite knowing you cant lead us always)
hope everyones plans for the holidays come along nicely, keep blazin

Thank you my friend....truly......

You know...sometimes praise makes me uncomfortable, but, nice to hear sometimes......

This industry?.....what other acknowledgment is there aside from a kind word......(told someone that recently....)

Recently found myself thinking of "community".......

We're a very small group....in a very large world......whose favorite activity is...wwwell...fuckin illegal

These topics?.....this thing of ours?......fuck man....we're all we got......all there is, etc.....I enjoy helping people....enjoy talking about subjects I am passionate about for lack of a better word....

Was talking to someone recently who thought that ridiculous.....who thought that amusing....

Well......they don't grow....

Where else does any of us have to turn with topics, questions, discussions?.....and, again...fuck......my "thinking out loud"?.......fuck man, I sometimes I think I draw more than anyone from this, so......

Planning?......well, people's definitions would probably vary quite a bit and be many different levels of action and thought....

I think all inclusive best including longer accumulation......(should be accumulating supplies now....), downside to accumulation is one might very well change a lot of plans.....I have, many times, but, having extra supplies?....eh, I always seem to get to them, so .......

(one can see 5-6 different containers earlier in thread .......so, sometimes it's funny, and, I alter what I use at different times, etc.....had like 3-4-5 different size peat pots ...cause some of these, some of those, etc, etc.......same with nutes.......I have a lot of random stuff on hand...will just mix it in next time......)

Psychology of planning helps also....ie: The more prepared, the more you have thought, the more scenarios and approaches you have gone through, etc, the better one tends to feel...more confident.....

Confidence in location.......of abilities.....of ones self.......etc...all make or break........(as with anything in life.....)

For those with a budget....serious planning mandatory....as earlier....things as seemingly insignificant as gas to and from locations.....vehicles....distance?...can add up...big time....serious....(gas and food and such...fuck, I couldn't even tell you what I spend during a season, etc..........couldn't even tell ya......a lot though......), etc.....

Prepping yourself...as earlier........mandatory......

so my question is a quick one....
for all of you that do it big.
Does legalization scare you? or is it another way to turn your gift into a legit form of business?
your thoughts/ .02 cents / opinions?

I have absolutely no concerns.....as I don't see legalization in the near future....(decriminalization would be an amazing achievement in itself......)

I do think anyone here would have an advantage..........ie: Think about alcohol........varieties....majors......microbreweries for example, etc......think variety and different price scales would be the norm, etc.....

Don't think large producers would be turning out what we'd want to smoke (or what many are used to buying

Fuck..look at initial med research and programs (still?)........they fucking roll from leaf, so ......

Think would be opportunities for the "boutique" product .....

You have USDA...you have Kobe ...
You have generic, and you have Johnnie Walker Blue

and on and on it goes.....

Hmmm... haven't visited here in ages really. Good to see the thread(s?) still rolling.

And always good to see you......

One experience related to what you'd probably call "medium scale" (at best ) outdoor growing that will- if one is successful at any rate- eventually happen is that at some point one will realize that you've maybe made enough money to retire on. Maybe not in splendor or luxury, but that if you really wanted to you could live on what you've already got- at least if you don't plan to be 100.

My second and best grow partner came to this realization at one point. He had a decent career and we were coming off a couple of solid years and he had just bought a house and acreage from part of his earnings and told me that was it, he was through. He had realized that we had probably been pretty lucky to do as well as we had, we'd had a lot of fun, worked our asses off and had a couple of real close scrapes and come through it all with a nice nest egg and our sanity and humor still intact. At first of course I was upset as I had no plans to stop- I mean why stop when everything is just humming along so well- but after cooling down and thinking about it I not only understood where he was at, but decided he had made a good, rational choice. I found another partner (for logistical and security reasons I think two is the perfect number for an outdoor grow op for anything under a few 1000, even if it does mean a LOT of work for each) and did a few more albeit smaller grows and it was OK, but at some point had to ask myself if the perceived risk outweighed the perceived reward?

The answer- my answer- was that yes, the logical thing to do was to walk away and declare victory. When you've bought all the toys you want and have a good legit business set up and running and seen to your retirement, the upside that once drove you is no longer sufficient reason.

Don't ever be afraid to chuck it all if at any time it just feels right. Any real friends will eventually understand- especially if you help them transition. And if straight/retired life turns out to be just too boring you can always change your mind later.

Being ready to quit at ANY time will also I think help you make better decisions. You won't feel painted into a corner even if your intuition tells you to quit or take a break for whatever reason. Never allow yourself to be in a situation where you are obligated to act against your better judgment, even if that judgment is based on nothing more than a nagging doubt. Make it clear to anyone you have dealings with that it could all end in a moment and if that might be a problem, then they need to find or consider other options.
In the long term you might need that flexibility. Allow yourself it.

I'd agree 100% and couldn't said it better myself..(regardless if I did already )......and of course, one can tell from my sig line that something I have thought about...even recently.....and quite often......

Sure most would agree money is nice but not why the majority here do it....myself included.....

Still have ps.....still something many love to do........

I have had my moments here and there, but, look at my specific situation a little different in the sense that I rarely do same spots over and over, same ops, etc.....

For me, as earlier.......and, while I try to make a joke out of it.....actually gets quite serious.......being that: I can't stop....

If I won 500MM today the first thing I would do would be to go out and grab a 105,000 acre ranch I saw for sale recently ....and, well....you know what happens next ......

Mind you, I take very seriously the above.....and if one having a problem, anywhere, anytime?..I take it extremely serious....(I am fully able to shut any and everything down on a moments notice if a security issue....have done so many time...no problem whatsoever doing so...nor have I ever had a problem doing so........and, on a different psychological/spiritual level?....(which I find interesting and have analyzed...)......It brought quite a relief doing so............

Quite a relief......ie: Always get a good nights sleep when house is cleaned so to speak

Always........

Of course I advocate short term.....(as little time as possible exposed, with exit strategy), but then fully acknowledge that few can stay away, and for most it's long term....ie: There is no out...once you grow you always grow ), so....and of course periodic voluntary breaks always seem to bring me personally back stronger , so.........(I think breaks almost essential to good development and approach....time to reflect....reflect on what was...approaches......ponder changes....different set ups, approaches, etc, so........

Regardless....always a pleasure........Hope all is well with you and yours, and holidays find all in good spirits.......and safe.......(to all actually.....)

 

[vod]

8 weeks, 7 days a week, for 20 hrs a day?!
fuckin hell...

true. trimming is something you wanna do as fast as possible and the reward is quite motivating, but it's some hard work none the less if done for 2 months straight, no room for any other activity... or did I misunderstand something?

Recently found myself thinking of "community".......

We're a very small group....in a very large world......whose favorite activity is...wwwell...fuckin illegal

These topics?.....this thing of ours?......fuck man....we're all we got......all there is, etc.....I enjoy helping people....enjoy talking about subjects I am passionate about for lack of a better word....

Was talking to someone recently who thought that ridiculous.....who thought that amusing....

Well......they don't grow....

Ridiculous?!
Why someone would think so? I thought all the hobbyists like talking about their hobby.
I think the internet is a godsend for our community. Fantastic tool for info exchange and networking.
We have a very high morale. Lot's of "selfless" action. Help, advice, exchange, distributed breeding projects etc.
Quite a power I think.

Anyway, I wanted to derail a lil bit and ask you how do you feel about the current and future economy in the US? Are you stockpiling gold Julian? At your new southern home? Getting out of the dollar before it collapses?
I was growing at a leisurely pace but now I kind of regret my lack of focus since I feel the time running out... paranoia? greed? or common sense? I'm not quite sure. Kind of happy though that I'm not in the USA.
Time will tell. From what I read it looks like new world order brewing.

On a more related and happier note:

I fuckin LOVE the outdoor bubble! All the seeded shit and the premature buds salvaged from mold... Fuckin awesome! The 70um first rinse blew me away on saturday. It was a party setting and it did better job energizing and getting me to dance than the whitey that came after it. Much nicer (up until I was exhausted of course)
Explosive, can't-sit-still, gotta-do-something shit he he
And strong. Made an experienced smoker (and grower) friend of mine turn as white as his hair the first time he smoked it and wouldn't listen to me that he's putting to much in
I felt really bad not something a host should allow but you need to know that he had a tiering week behind him. got up at 5 p.m. and at 7 he was smoking the joint. not yet recovered form past days excesses...
people who can go through 72 hours of straight party amaze me.

Yeah I'm contemplating a holiday hash run Fly to Poland, plant, go back, return for harvest, drying and hashmaking, leave product at friends/parents for future use lol

Cheers guys. I wish you all a happy, chilled out Christmas and then back to work
09 is coming!

 

[Julian]

8 weeks, 7 days a week, for 20 hrs a day?!
fuckin hell...

true. trimming is something you wanna do as fast as possible and the reward is quite motivating, but it's some hard work none the less if done for 2 months straight, no room for any other activity... or did I misunderstand something?

Nope......schedule as above....that's one of my "stories" that everyone gets prior to getting started working with me...(I try to paint the process and season as brutal as possible.......I've had my share of partners and helpers being overwhelmed, so, over the years I tend to make it appear worse and worse .....which, we know....if you like it?...if you "take to it"?....well.....not that bad......

From a financial standpoint....sooner it was done, sooner money started coming in for everyone working, so......(of course, started coming in bout 2 weeks into that above, etc)....Should also be noted that did not cover everything also......but, you know.....every second of that is money, so......

Yeah....harvest season never easy on me physically also......I've never gotten hayfever issues and allergies and such, but, from harvest season, lot of green?.....I get it fuckin bad....(That 60 days above......nose running, sneezing, eyes red and such every minute of those 60 days.......) I started taking off the shelf stuff for that, and, worked enough to make it bearable, which I would recommend to anyone who has harvest issues.....partners started asking me for some, so......(would walk in and buy everything.....they probably though I was a smurf .....)

Me and Pine were talking about all adverse effects.....seem many get varying degrees of it.....Lot of little things you can do...(take something, gloves, circulation, even stash of masks, etc.....)

Ridiculous?!
Why someone would think so? I thought all the hobbyists like talking about their hobby.
I think the internet is a godsend for our community. Fantastic tool for info exchange and networking.
We have a very high morale. Lot's of "selfless" action. Help, advice, exchange, distributed breeding projects etc.
Quite a power I think.

Well.......there is a story in there I have been contemplating sharing.........(ie: They're not active growers, not part of any such "community", and on and on.......)

I like the above btw........seems we do..(very high morale......)

You know....I didn't always look at it as above.......but, yeah....I think the legal factor turns it into a whole different thing than most other "hobby's"....and we all have different motives....reasons.....I know mine....and to me...they're important.....

Anyway, I wanted to derail a lil bit and ask you how do you feel about the current and future economy in the US? Are you stockpiling gold Julian? At your new southern home? Getting out of the dollar before it collapses?
I was growing at a leisurely pace but now I kind of regret my lack of focus since I feel the time running out... paranoia? greed? or common sense? I'm not quite sure. Kind of happy though that I'm not in the USA.
Time will tell. From what I read it looks like new world order brewing.

Nah.....just a matter of having something in a place where I might be for extended periods quite often,so.....(and, not sealed yet......that could change tomorrow........could change the minute after I finally secure it....so......I hope all will work out well..........)

I see significant opportunities the way things are........just started a couple new business's....working on improving several existing ones.....am optimistic........

Economy as a whole viewed as not doing too well, but, one has to remember in the end, a very small segment getting hit.....

I wouldn't be surprised if new things did extremely well straight out...surpassing old things, etc.........still "opportunity" for someone with a little creativity and willing to work hard, etc....and I believe that.....(my philosophy...doing it as we speak.....)

I mean, the alternative is just to "give up"........and, ya know.....I'm not close to that yet.

I've been hit harder than most know in last 12-16 months.....truly......but, it is what it is........could be worse....many have been worse, so.....I'm thankful, and, still trying to stay positive.....(last season not great, and second to last season I gave away and took care of people more than I should...business's slowed down, etc, so....combination of things kinda fucked me, but....you know........as long as I can turn it around.....

Starting to focus on upcoming season..........(coming off worst)...not sure where and when that will be.........new spots I tried this past season all written off...(discoveries).......trying to do one of older, greatest spots again.........ready to get to work......revitalized..........still working on several south things.....look fairly positive in the long run, but, assuming can change like the wind blows, so.......

Revitalized in a way...........maybe I needed a bad one......maybe I was getting too relaxed (as far as dealing with and treating helpers and partners.......).........maybe I am the one who needed a reminder of ferocity.

Ready to go........."excited" for lack of better word.......feel as though "on a different level" in a positive way............

(The above not mentioned hints on I caught quite a bit of shit for having a "bad" season from some people I was speaking with.....but, again....their not growers.....so..........)

We've discussed earlier and elsewhere......problems......

Nothing, nor anyone is immune to such.......

They can come from any direction........from partners....from training....from helpers....from location....from weather......or all combined at once...

One failure (in any industry) does not dictate ones entire life....profession...ability.........and, also touched on is maybe sometimes we need such...ie: I doubt anyone would say their greatest lessons and advancement was from their greatest success.........

Sure.....success teaches us quite a bit.....but never like a failure......never like serious problems......

Those are lessons that truly can change ones thought processes and behavior...

You know...me personally?.......I've been going through quite a lot of changes.........and, am doing well lately with the "I don't care" approach......

Less stress............quite a happier life........comments from many on how "very different lately"......and I feel like it......so...

Yeah....hope others learned everything they needed to.....looking forward to upcoming season, regardless of where and when.........ready to go today......

Have 2 new people (not new) have been prepping.......approaching that a different way..(a little more firm but not quite a bastard about it ....) think they should work out well (both need it...bad..........and claim to be willing to put in whatever it takes........one has a little problem with listening..... (he's probably reading this and shifting in his chair mumbling ), but.......

Anyway....

"Community"?

I'm honored to be a part of it...........I'm even more honored to offer assistance to anyone else in it.......

I take great pleasure in offering anything to anyone that can mean greater efficiency........less work...greater safety...more money.......

My position has always been the same: If this can do any of the above for one person?......well, then I made a difference to that one person......

If I can prevent one person from having to learn things the hard way like I always have?.......then it's a job well done......

Otherwise?..........I'll look forward to upcoming season.......

If things don't work out the way I planned?........well, it happens, such is life.

If business matters don't work out way I planned?........well, it happens....I'll take a vacation.......

The bottom line is I will do more runs.........wherever I can.......I enjoy it...it makes me happy,and, happiness......and personal satisfaction?....well, I don't think underrated

On a more related and happier note:

I fuckin LOVE the outdoor bubble! All the seeded shit and the premature buds salvaged from mold... Fuckin awesome! The 70um first rinse blew me away on saturday. It was a party setting and it did better job energizing and getting me to dance than the whitey that came after it. Much nicer (up until I was exhausted of course)
Explosive, can't-sit-still, gotta-do-something shit he he
And strong. Made an experienced smoker (and grower) friend of mine turn as white as his hair the first time he smoked it and wouldn't listen to me that he's putting to much in
I felt really bad not something a host should allow but you need to know that he had a tiering week behind him. got up at 5 p.m. and at 7 he was smoking the joint. not yet recovered form past days excesses...
people who can go through 72 hours of straight party amaze me.

I'm a 72hr guy! ......

Yeah, ya know I love the bubble, and, for me personally?..."wires" me out.....totally.....between bubble, smokes and caffeine, I can work a week straight ....

Dude....don't fuck with whitey.....a half z will get you more time than a whole crop ......(and time is what makes people talk, so ......)

I've not always been happy with the outdoor bubble for various reasons (despite others stating how high quality is, etc)....I lay that upon having to do with rain, contaminants, etc........less rain, the better quality it is....or jmo.....seems "cleaner" (same as bud itself, etc......)

Lot will jump to the whole rain and trichs thing......but, not referring to quantity.....referring to quality.....(quantity never an issue......).....and, depends.....we've got so much shit sometimes.....can't follow protocol as true as should be (being strictly trim frozen wet.....volume just doesn't work that way....at least in my world......sometimes dry shit creeps in....sometimes fans creep in, etc, so.....often, we don't get full melt.....sometimes runs of FM....etc, etc.......too many variables, which just increase with volume......)

Yeah......I was laughing this year because my guys would tell me some "stories",. and I'd be like: "Dude, your now initiated" (Everyone has stories how fuckin high the bubble gets them.......one guy was freaking out telling me something, and I was like "Dude, THATS bubble....relax man"

(All this talking about it is making me think I want to tip a bunch of my smokes and put them pack in pack.....which is what I do often....sometimes up to a whole pack ....take it with me ....)'

Yyyyyyyep. Going to the minute I finish this post..

Yeah I'm contemplating a holiday hash run Fly to Poland, plant, go back, return for harvest, drying and hashmaking, leave product at friends/parents for future use lol

You know I have had that on my mind for sometime .......think certain parts of the world represent quite the opportunity .......seriously...

Do fem seed......"train them".......boom.......your good.......keep it simple.....I don't see that as unrealistic or "impossible"......

I see that as probable

(going to get one done there......just watch )

Cheers guys. I wish you all a happy, chilled out Christmas and then back to work
09 is coming!

Amen...(09 on the way)...........

Thanks for the wishes......and the same from me to everyone......

(I probably will be out and about somewhere...but, that's okay.......my Christmas present this year is confidence........piece of mind.......satisfaction.......and the possibility of a greater future than past........and I'm happy with those gifts.....best ones I could ever get .)

I wish all the same.......

These days?.......Alive and free enough to keep me smiling throughout the day ...

 

[Julian]

I'll say this: Even if everything going my way (for the moment).....or even if everything not..........I still found immeasurable joy in:

Trailer Park Boys- "Say Goodnight to the Bad Guys"​

(Special been waiting for, for months.......setting up movie....I'm a huge, huge fan...)

 

[vod]

You know I have had that on my mind for sometime .......think certain parts of the world represent quite the opportunity .......seriously...

Do fem seed......"train them".......boom.......your good.......keep it simple.....I don't see that as unrealistic or "impossible"......

I see that as probable

(going to get one done there......just watch )

I'll be watching closely.
Should be of interest


I made up my mind.
Next step is finding an associate. I have multiple friends with holiday/second houses in the countryside, but don't necessarily need them as I have a couple semi-urban spots in mind as well. I'll have to speak with a few people the next time I see them and the outcome will dictate next steps. Gauge the scope etc.
Gotta see when I can best take a holiday round june and july...
And as much as I would like an all female run... I have a couple thousand m/f seeds on hand... and don't feel that I have the means to produce enough fems soon enough. Maybe I'll just use my m/f stock and try to make some fems for 2010.
No rush, right? First a test/demonstration run for my ignorant friends (in the field of clandestine ganja growing)... And then we'll see what can be done and with who.

Yeah......I was laughing this year because my guys would tell me some "stories",. and I'd be like: "Dude, your now initiated" (Everyone has stories how fuckin high the bubble gets them.......one guy was freaking out telling me something, and I was like "Dude, THATS bubble....relax man"

the bubble is my christmas gift to every smoker friend of mine and i expect some good stories in return

a half z will get you more time than a whole crop

I don't touch this stuff with anything other than a bank note. Never buy it or carry any on me. It's the only thing my wife still enjoys a few times a year and half of the times it's not worth the money nor the evening, but sometimes it's real nice. I was introduced to it in a Spanish village at a new years eve and I think for such situations it is the best drug. How else do you wanna go all night, talk in language that you don't know and cut through all that booze and hash?
I'd like to grow a couple of shrubs given the possibility, but the rest of the business is definitively not for me.

I'm sorry to hear it's killing your brother zapato :/

 

[zapatoloco]

Lot of little things you can do.

...like not rubbing your eyes or putting fingers in nose !!! seriously i think the problems can be greatly reduced in a basic way if you avoid touching your face through the whole process. The other approaches mentioned are also part of an effective solution. But even then over time i don't think you can avoid the strange and not wholly unpleasant psychoactive effects of (?) vaporized terpenoids ( according to Ed Rosenthal (!)) (?)...unless you use a respirator or one of those boxes used for manipulating biohazardous materials !!

ferocity

...a nice word... and a special card that is useful in the long term only if used wisely (i.e. with parcimony).

don't fuck with whitey

it's killing my brilliant brother... ...seriously.

 

[Julian]

I'll be watching closely.
Should be of interest

Oh, I'm always working on something........

(Trying to change expectations, to avoid disappointments, etc.....while still trying to stay focused, etc.....)

Either way, should be some interesting things coming up.....and, maybe, just maybe ....I'll throw in some pics that are.....ummm.....shall we say "a little more interesting" .........

I made up my mind.

A phrase which carries true power..........

Next step is finding an associate. I have multiple friends with holiday/second houses in the countryside, but don't necessarily need them as I have a couple semi-urban spots in mind as well. I'll have to speak with a few people the next time I see them and the outcome will dictate next steps. Gauge the scope etc.

Well........keep in mind everything covered......

Sometimes (I know firsthand ) we tend to get excited at spot secured....as someone in, etc.....when the real focus is going through the details, then going through again, then going through once more .....

Just be thorough man...

Good partner or helper...location can be priceless...(or can seriously fuck up your extremely well planned and perfectly executed shit....)

Lot of real examples above and throughout......sometimes a surprise...sometimes not.....and sometimes completely out of left field at the worst moment.....

Gotta see when I can best take a holiday round june and july...
And as much as I would like an all female run... I have a couple thousand m/f seeds on hand... and don't feel that I have the means to produce enough fems soon enough. Maybe I'll just use my m/f stock and try to make some fems for 2010.

No rush, right? First a test/demonstration run for my ignorant friends (in the field of clandestine ganja growing)... And then we'll see what can be done and with who.

Well..........training on pulling males in itself not too difficult.........something I've never had anyone have a problem with after they see some examples, a little training, etc......could work that couple ways.....ie: Train, prep and plant together...get them in and going (3 weeks) and then work on them for males and waterings (if needed in the first place......remember, basics are get them in right and dictates entire season, so.....)

You say no rush, and, I've had a few who needed the first run for many reasons.......for training purposes...to "get the feel" of it...(smaller one would have had them less overwhelmed, etc...)

I tend to go "full force", because whose to say spot will even be available next year, etc, so, me personally?...I get a spot I hit it as heavy as location and security allows, etc.......

I think the general region offers a lot of possibilities North America just does not have to start with......(traffic, population, eradication efforts, etc.....endless list....)

...like not rubbing your eyes or putting fingers in nose !!! seriously i think the problems can be greatly reduced in a basic way if you avoid touching your face through the whole process. The other approaches mentioned are also part of an effective solution. But even then over time (AND VOLUME) i don't think you can avoid the strange and not wholly unpleasant psychoactive effects of (?) vaporized terpenoids ( according to Ed Rosenthal (!)) (?)...unless you use a respirator or one of those boxes used for manipulating biohazardous materials !!

It's funny because I give my initial lectures about resin in the eye and it seems I am the only one who ends up getting it... (have many times.......and it is an extremely unpleasant feeling.........)

All in all, not that bad for many........and surprised I get negative effects since I don't anywhere, anytime in life....

Take something......gloves.....(which I don't often), and other things above work well for most......masks sometimes optional if someone picks them up.....circulation a crap shoot, space might not allow........outdoors another option, not always like clockwork......

Anyway....










I am going to address the below on a more serious note......

I don't like it...I don't even like discussing it.....but, I think should be addressed.....

it's killing my brilliant brother... ...seriously.

Of course it is. That's what it does.

the rest of the business is definitively not for me.
I don't touch this stuff with anything other than a bank note. Never buy it or carry any on me. It's the only thing my wife still enjoys a few times a year. Half of the times it's not worth the money nor the evening, but sometimes it's real nice. I was introduced to it in a Spanish village at a new years eve and I think for such situations it is the best drug. How else do you wanna go all night, talk in language that you don't know and cut through all that booze and hash?

I do understand your position........I do.

I understand some do it here and there....no big thing.....I do.....

I'm no stranger to it myself.......I've sat and done 1/4-1/2 keys (nose and smoked)......and I've been on other end....(many, many years ago....extreme volume).....

That being said....(and, forgive me if harsh....really....but, reality with that is harsh...)

Did you ever think that your wife could drop at any time into convulsions? (I know......a horrible thought...but that is reality my friend......not to mention trying to deal with your mourning while fighting a criminal case for your life......)

Don't have to do it all night or for days...Could be a quick first blast of something "really nice", when haven't done in months....(been there, seen it, first hand, several times actually in my life.....ours was straight off boat from Medellin.....nice blue pearl shale......could split a key in half with just the tip of a fingernail....)

You know.......people talk about "nothing"....."just one time", etc......

That's how it starts for every single person...

Some might say the "well, I only do it once in a while".....

1. That's how it starts. Period.
2. Then your tolerance is down, and that next blast could drop you.
3. Since we're here: Even that "once in a while" will bring interactions to people who most likely possess much more than your buying.....whom might even be buying your product, and, down the road, guess what?...(ie: Would you give them your id and keys to your house?...by doing business with them you are...).....

They will betray, steal, and sell their ass but then at some time protect you? ......Your a bargaining chip the minute one is needed......

People always seem to think with them "it's different"..... (and if I had a dollar for every time I hear that, I'd be looking for beachfront hotels in Hawaii......)

I try to be understanding......really, I do.......but, on this subject?

I've seen it all.

(and, when I say all?.............I mean ALL)

I'll save the badass talk, etc, but, someone close to me pulls it out?........They're going to the fuckin emergency room....

Nothing good can ever come of it.

(And if it ever again?....they would either be cut off, period, forever.....and tell everyone never even mention their name again.....or, if continual and if I cared enough, they'd go right into the fuckin closet till they were clean....

I can't even begin...(nor do I want to) to go through what I know, and what I have seen.....what it creates...what it's capable of doing.......(and, anyone who knows me, reading this knows.....)

Most can not even begin to imagine the shit I have seen....(personally...for various reasons...I think worse than H.....)

That's all I have to say on it......I would ask it not even be mentioned again.....

 

[Julian]

the bubble is my christmas gift to every smoker friend of mine and i expect some good stories in return

Yeah man.......you know, when your smoking a lot of it.....you know.......strange shit starts to happen (or so you think )

I had to reassure one of my guys it was just the bubble....that's what it does, etc.........

(I dump everything......that's what I do....but, those guys?...they'll hold onto 1/2 p's for ps , so.........)

See, reminding me again.......

No offense about the above......you know......just, as above, so......anyway ...

 

[zapatoloco]

I am the only one who ends up getting it

i'm often doing or have often done the stupid shit i warn people about. Thats how i know i should warn them about it !!

 

[Julian]

Back to business...........

I made up my mind.
Next step is finding an associate. I have multiple friends with holiday/second houses in the countryside, but don't necessarily need them as I have a couple semi-urban spots in mind as well. I'll have to speak with a few people the next time I see them and the outcome will dictate next steps. Gauge the scope etc.
Gotta see when I can best take a holiday round june and july...
And as much as I would like an all female run... I have a couple thousand m/f seeds on hand... and don't feel that I have the means to produce enough fems soon enough. Maybe I'll just use my m/f stock and try to make some fems for 2010.
No rush, right? First a test/demonstration run for my ignorant friends (in the field of clandestine ganja growing)... And then we'll see what can be done and with who.

I think the statements above and the highlights signify a realistic approach.....

I think that the above displays reasonable expectations for the process and planning needed.....2yrs out, while may seem a lot to people, in "whole scheme of things",really nothing at all, especially if some numbers involved....

Add to that varying approach in any number of ways....increasing safety...(ie: hit and runs, later planted, etc), and, really no limit with right location as to what can be accomplished.....(Guess we're back to "massive" .....)

I'm beginning to go over upcoming season in my mind.......while also going over different potential locations and approach, etc........don't have firm locations yet, so....all I can do is mentally go over how each would be addressed......who will be doing what......starting training for couple people........

I never did get my fem runs done, much less AF fem runs, so.....might buy more stock and do those runs this upcoming season (or, who knows...might sit and look at calender and decide last minute to try and get one done, etc.......)

Up until late this past season (no harm in saying so now....) had someone who was going to give me an acre or so of an active farm for a quick hit and run AF.....so.....once that fell through I slacked on stock production......(one of the discoveries, so, that's that....no longer an option at that location....sadly, because would have worked (AF hit and run early season)....

We'll see......in a different mindset lately...but ready to go, anywhere, anytime....talking to several trying to determine or at least give me a hint of where next will be so can at least start some accumulation, or an idea as to what will be needed...(did want to try the AN outdoor line....still do......)

 

[Julian]

i'm often doing or have often done the stupid shit i warn people about. Thats how i know i should warn them about it !!

What this whole things about.......

That specific issue though kind of odd.......but, truth be told, I'm usually the hardest working one out of all my guys....handling the most, for the longest, etc, etc, so.......no surprise.....on site, I'm the one checking things (when to cut, etc)....when cut, I'm looking through for ps, what I want to keep, what goes where, etc, so..........just odd sometimes I'm the only one who gets it......(I personally take that as they should be working more, harder )

I do things different at different times, so......not always the same...sometimes better, sometimes worse, but, indoor trimming and drying and such usually hits me pretty hard with hayfever/allergy symptoms....but, again, I take something, and I'm covered, so.....more eyes and nose then respiratory issues, etc.....or anything else...(and the occasional resin in the eye ....this season?...only twice all season, so........not bad I think.....and even then I think not hand to eye.....probably more like: Clean or glove hands, change gloves, clean hands, then scratch arm (which is arm that rubbed up against 100 plants), then to eye, etc ...or, sometimes clean after on site, then handle, then steering wheel (which I try to always keep wiped down, always), then to eye, etc....could be 100 things but , not pleasant feeling....at all.......not water soluble...so.....

 

[vod]

I appreciate the advice.

You say no rush, and, I've had a few who needed the first run for many reasons.......for training purposes...to "get the feel" of it...(smaller one would have had them less overwhelmed, etc...)

I tend to go "full force", because whose to say spot will even be available next year, etc, so, me personally?...I get a spot I hit it as heavy as location and security allows, etc.......

I will have to do it myself. I just need them to let me use their place.
Planting on property is not in the cards. Nor is pulling males by anyone else than me I'm afraid. But we will talk and we will see.

They are very reluctant. They think it's too much risk. In fact they think I'm crazy . They think that making hash is very difficult and that growing herb requires constant watering and care. They have no clue about the whole thing. And they don't realize the reward.
I'm not gonna force anyone into anything. That doesn't make sense, but maybe we can build something in small steps. Get them a bit more comfortable and informed. And maybe if I do one small with the absolute minimum help, they will want to do something more in the future.

 

[vod]

I think the statements above and the highlights signify a realistic approach.....

I think that the above displays reasonable expectations for the process and planning needed.....2yrs out, while may seem a lot to people, in "whole scheme of things",really nothing at all, especially if some numbers involved....

Add to that varying approach in any number of ways....increasing safety...(ie: hit and runs, later planted, etc), and, really no limit with right location as to what can be accomplished.....(Guess we're back to "massive" .....)

Thank you.
It's your writings here that made me try a serious approach.

 

[Julian]

I appreciate the advice.

And my thanks for allowing my rant....

And my apologies for using the example I did.....(personal, etc...)

A subject which my views are obvious.....

I will have to do it myself. I just need them to let me use their place.
Planting on property is not in the cards. Nor is pulling males by anyone else than me I'm afraid. But we will talk and we will see.

Well........if you can handle the travel in schedule and budget, (which are true issues in the end), might actually be "fun" ......and enable quite a bit.....more detail, attention, etc......(or could turn first one into test run and training, while keeping in mind a fem run/fem stock for 2nd.....)

I face similar issues.....(different spots, travel, oversight, etc)....Can be done man...real issue is it hits the budget (for travel)....and scheduling, but, otherwise, fairly realistic.....and small inconvenience considering safety and potential payoff, etc.....

On "smaller" note....I mean.......if payoff covers added expenses of travel...for many, even extra $50k that year could make it worth it.....added experience would be priceless, and, whole process might even be as above....ie" "fun"...

I've had situations brought up to me fairly recent, and, I mean, fuck, as long as my travel expenses covered....and I pull something down worth my while in the end, I'm game, etc......

They are very reluctant. They think it's too much risk. In fact they think I'm crazy .

Well.......you might take some comfort in knowing......hmm...about 75% of all my partners have had the same stance (and still do )....

Your job to show them not as risky as they believe......and, initially, my response would be forget em, but, in reality, maybe they just need that test run" .....to allow them to develop a taste for it " ...'

Maybe a test run.....maybe making them aware of all the reasons why it is less risky, etc...(and, compared to North America, I mean....... pfffft.....walk in the park )

They think that making hash is very difficult and that growing herb requires constant watering and care. They have no clue about the whole thing. And they don't realize the reward.

I've dealt with same many times......many times.....

Test run might completely change all that.....and sounds like assurance of your ability might make a big difference.....

I'm not gonna force anyone into anything. That doesn't make sense, but maybe we can build something in small steps. Get them a bit more comfortable and informed. And maybe if I do one small with the absolute minimum help, they will want to do something more in the future.

Your on it man......you got it......all sounds good.....lot of angles possible also........lot of angles.....

Thank you.
It's your writings here that made me try a serious approach.

Thank you. Anything becomes much simpler once such adopted......much that was impossible becomes the opposite with such.....

After all....we do grow...so ....growers growing does not represent to me something unachievable

Ones approach and outlook in the end is what dictates what is possible for one...

Personally , sounds like your approaching exactly as one should

 

[vod]

And my apologies for using the example I did.....(personal, etc...)

Maybe I needed to be reminded about the deadliness and risks involved.

Well........if you can handle the travel in schedule and budget, (which are true issues in the end), might actually be "fun" ......and enable quite a bit.....more detail, attention, etc......(or could turn first one into test run and training, while keeping in mind a fem run/fem stock for 2nd.....)

I face similar issues.....(different spots, travel, oversight, etc)....Can be done man...real issue is it hits the budget (for travel)....and scheduling, but, otherwise, fairly realistic.....and small inconvenience considering safety and potential payoff, etc.....

On "smaller" note....I mean.......if payoff covers added expenses of travel...for many, even extra $50k that year could make it worth it.....added experience would be priceless, and, whole process might even be as above....ie" "fun"...

I've had situations brought up to me fairly recent, and, I mean, fuck, as long as my travel expenses covered....and I pull something down worth my while in the end, I'm game, etc......

There are interesting ways in which such a thing can evolve. Many options...

But the first one will be test run and maybe training. My budget and the time I can spend out of home are limited to max four trips of maybe 5 weeks total. But that I can only commit if I have a partner that will make it worthwhile (or maybe just motivate me to go full force). Otherwise I'll just do a holiday hit and run. A week or two for scouting and planting in summer and a week or two round sep/oct for the rest of the work. Use the loads of seeds I have and hope for good luck.
Well... location will dictate. Spot dictates the method, right?
The sooner I can confirm a general location, the sooner I can scout it and decide how to tackle the problem.
It could be very sweet with a reliable partner. We could do much more than me alone flying over for a couple of days.
But we have no rush. Time will bring opportunity. I'm sure of it.

The added safety aspect appeals to me quite a lot. Limited exposure

I don't have a precise plan how to dispose of the product, but it has enough of a shelf life to wait for an opportunity to sell itself quickly (and safely)

$50k is shitloads of money in my world.

I've dealt with same many times......many times.....

Test run might completely change all that.....and sounds like assurance of your ability might make a big difference.....

They are all pretty straight guys (and I don't want to do it with the ones that are not), but I think I can develop a taste for it in at least one of them
Once they realize the risk, cost and reward, as well as have confidence in my ability to handle the op (and willingness to submit to my order ) they will decide.

The stakes are high.

One of them has a business and they are investing all they earn in product development and growth. They have a lot of debt, but the business itself is going well from what I understand. The guy is employing 12 people and lives at his parents place.
It's not like 50k wouldn't help him a lot. And if it wasn't for a stupid possession (of 0.5g) case he had and has won last year, he would be in for sure and be my first choice anyway. Guy is brilliant and solid (and has muscle that I lack ) and would bring in a suitable property, but he's scared of illegal stuff now. Of the horrible penalty if caught. In summer he didn't want to hear anything about it. Now he looks forward to my Christmas gift... I hope he'll chill out some time in the future and want to work with me. But I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to be/feel like a criminal.
Well... if he can't get that fear and guilt out of his head, he's not suitable anyway. He should believe he's doing justice and fighting the system

Personally , sounds like your approaching exactly as one should

It's good to hear that man. If I can only keep the right approach through execution faze...
It would be a trip, that for sure.
And I think this is what my guys fear the most actually. That they would get greedy and fall for the dark side.
Or maybe not


It's nice at this table Smoking spliffs and discussing matters we can't discuss with anyone else

Cheers

 

[Julian]

There are interesting ways in which such a thing can evolve. Many options...

Always interesting.....and always many options ........(actually one of the most interesting parts for me.......ie: The ways thing develop, come together....where opportunities arise from......you truly never know initially.....many of my greatest things have come out of no where......truly.....and, sure they will again......ie: I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the things which I am working the hardest on fall through and are replaced by the things which I least suspect will come through ....(and the things I least suspect having much greater unseen potential............)

How it works man......life is a surprise sometimes ......

(And I wish I could give specific examples....would be quite interesting but we're done with those for now ....sorry you guys....donuts are on me today I suppose ... They know who I'm talking to.....)

But the first one will be test run and maybe training.

Well, you should get the prelim out of the way...(training and prepping them at every chance, little by little......I've already started on 2 that I have.......and really unsure where they will end up being.....but, now's the time........we can get to specifics later.....specifics not the stage for them yet.....important is that they can get up to that point.......

Had someone tell me not too recently I "work a little fast" once season starts.......(which was of course replied to with "Dude......wtf you think we were talking about all this time"........)so........an angle I might try to work on and address in future......when start point hits......I believe in full force, etc.........

I can say also my "understanding" is pretty much done for now....meaning someone misses one time......they're out......blow it once?...they're out...period, and, going to start having backup people ready......

Above is unacceptable........my patience with the FaF is about done.....

(FaF="Fucking Around Factor".......ie: "Fucking off Factor"...slang....meaning "dicking around".....or...if still not good enough, meaning people who always seem to be busy with something else....have a problem doing what they have to........ie: I'll be there to pick you up in 45 minutes doesn't mean I'll be there in 45 minutes, then come in and sit and wait for you to finish coffee/beer........then wait to get ready....then wait to take shower....then more coffee/another beer....then finally get on the road 1.5hrs later... (or even at all, because then talk about "too late"......)

FaF......no patience for it......no room for it in my life.....and definitely no room for it in ops.

(Can also screen people for their FaF factor.......actually very easy.......)

My budget and the time I can spend out of home are limited to max four trips of maybe 5 weeks total.

Well......you have to also keep in mind complete budget......and how that all fits together........(including supplies, anything else related in your absence....running short and resupply.....etc, etc.....)

Having been through before......heavy focus on initial...getting them in......( 2 weeks.......maybe bit more....start, get them in, all while prepping people, etc).....then a mid year check....then, when you have an idea what's coming in, things can be readjusted......ie: If you budget and time well, and, end season looking like a great year, can always add time on back end with payoff present, etc......which I have done sometimes.....end of season dictates my entire schedule for upcoming schedule......

Example above with 20/7/8 trimming.....saw a payoff present...could switch things up, devote some time to it, etc.......could reschedule other things, etc.....ie: Money was there......no problem.....(I wouldn't have devoted that much time and energy if money wasn't there.....I have lot of other things in life which are important and need attention, etc......)

But that I can only commit if I have a partner that will make it worthwhile (or maybe just motivate me to go full force). Otherwise I'll just do a holiday hit and run. A week or two for scouting and planting in summer and a week or two round sep/oct for the rest of the work. Use the loads of seeds I have and hope for good luck.

Well, you said 5 weeks above......with some training.....(good and specific)....and someone doing minimal tasks and assistance...I think could pull iot off with 6....(2-3 getting them ready and in.....2 mid season check.....2 end season, etc......) But depends how trained and how reliable they are.......(especially if your talking m/f stock........that'/s the issue really...and, I know...talking about bubble/hash, but, don't forget....m/f will still dictate your hash yield also....

Could also try doing a fem CS run out...(I had planned on it, trained someone, looked fine but then didn't think they would give them the attention it required....and don't want to be fucking with potential stock issues....ie: Waiting till they are run to see didn't come out solid, scrambling last minute to recover and replant, etc.....stuff like that......)

I do think though with a solid, serious partner a lot could be accomplished......even in that scenario, my concern would be with them getting the idea since they spent time on it while you were away it was "theirs"........(you only came in here and there, "they did all the work"....which reads they pulled a couple males, helped, top fed once, etc...which is absurd, etc......)

Well... location will dictate. Spot dictates the method, right?
The sooner I can confirm a general location, the sooner I can scout it and decide how to tackle the problem.

I'm in same position currently.......understand well. (No idea where final will be, or even if will be multiple locations......and unsure right now where, and even unsure of crew......

Not too concerned though about sorting it out.......not my first time ...will get done.......real target is in hardcore season.........last one, still trying to get that rancid taste out of my mouth .....

It could be very sweet with a reliable partner. We could do much more than me alone flying over for a couple of days.
But we have no rush. Time will bring opportunity. I'm sure of it.

The added safety aspect appeals to me quite a lot. Limited exposure

Well.........added safety is yours.......which is one less thing to worry about, but their safety still exists and something that has to be covered.....

Have to protect all.

I don't have a precise plan how to dispose of the product, but it has enough of a shelf life to wait for an opportunity to sell itself quickly (and safely)

Well, if demand exists....then battle half done.....if an outlet, etc......

I personally live in a world of "okay"....meaning can talk all day long, but, in the end, produce it and it's gone........Will they take this much?....sure.......This much money?...yeah, absolutely....this much volume?...well, depending on quality, we'll see...

Comes down to producing it...(showing...)...unless on the table all speculation....

$50k is shitloads of money in my world.

Not an unreasonable goal......a rather small one in "whole scheme of things".....

Double that up. Add on for loss, etc. Work backwards what required low end to achieve.

They are all pretty straight guys (and I don't want to do it with the ones that are not), but I think I can develop a taste for it in at least one of them

Once they realize the risk, cost and reward, as well as have confidence in my ability to handle the op (and willingness to submit to my order ) they will decide.

The stakes are high.

One of them has a business and they are investing all they earn in product development and growth. They have a lot of debt, but the business itself is going well from what I understand. The guy is employing 12 people and lives at his parents place.

It's not like 50k wouldn't help him a lot. And if it wasn't for a stupid possession (of 0.5g) case he had and has won last year, he would be in for sure and be my first choice anyway. Guy is brilliant and solid (and has muscle that I lack ) and would bring in a suitable property, but he's scared of illegal stuff now. Of the horrible penalty if caught. In summer he didn't want to hear anything about it. Now he looks forward to my Christmas gift... I hope he'll chill out some time in the future and want to work with me. But I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to be/feel like a criminal.

Well... if he can't get that fear and guilt out of his head, he's not suitable anyway. He should believe he's doing justice and fighting the system

Well, that might exclude. I have an old friend who would really like to do something, and, because of similar issue to above, telling him no. Absolutely not. He can't risk it, can't afford it, and under no circumstances can be anywhere near one. (At least in U.S., somewhere else safer?....sure, no problem....US?, No. Absolutely not.)

Don't forget.........if your op, your job to protect all. A very serious responsibility.

Maybe other safer roles......(help dig/drill, help plant, etc.....end of season maybe some trimming....but, you don't want them to have that exposure if existing cases......half gram might make a difference, but, still......another strike for similar charge not good depending on location and laws, etc.....

You know the "willingness to submit to order" is actually a huge issue....and, as earlier...many stories....seems to be for many........

Sounds funny, but, in the end......lot of issues for many sometimes about "too many cooks in kitchen"......and then personality of one.....etc........

Lot of people want to be "reasonable" and pc and use the "we"......which doesn't work a lot of the time either....as "we" means different things to different people (and of course all have different definitions of work ethic and such......)

I've steered away recently from the "we"......it's mine.

I'm planning it, prepping it, paying for it, directing it, supervising it, etc....they're helping. (Had one mentioned above where basically went to the "you want to run it"?........of course they could not.

The above basically addressing knowledge of each and every phase and what is required and when, which of course dictates the entire op in itself, so....

"We" was the source of my worst year ever, so....for me?...no......and, for larger things if they come together?....No...I'm running it, everyone does what I say or walk. (And I am willing to take full responsibility for any issues if such is done...which is how it should be.........right?.....no one to blame but ones self......which I actually accept for last season......but with some hesitation and unhappiness.......)

Everyone wants to run things.........until they see the amount of work and dedication required and have to accept responsibility for issues.

Anyway.........

It's good to hear that man. If I can only keep the right approach through execution faze...
It would be a trip, that for sure.
And I think this is what my guys fear the most actually. That they would get greedy and fall for the dark side.
Or maybe not

Requires a lot of initial work..(with them......confidence and trust in each other, etc)..........and, even repeated throughout......addressed several times over......

In the end man....only you will know if it can work.....if it can work with them....how things will work with them, etc.......and we make decision based upon that which we believe.......etc...Might work, might not....might be half and half......but, as above....as long as travel covered....as long as everyone safe, and as long as something to show for it worthwhile........well......could be worse ........and a good experience.

An experience which I believe would benefit one into the future beyond what one might realize today as far as ops, so......

Safety number one issue....everything else falls in line afterwards ....

(If even marginal success...could lay the way to something larger in future..........if even 2-3 years down the road........)

It's nice at this table Smoking spliffs and discussing matters we can't discuss with anyone else

Ah the benefits of a private club ...

Isn't it?. (yeah, at least until the after work/happy hour crowd clears out ....some people......)

I've gotta count my seed......and not anxious to do so , but, need some sort of baseline about starting supplies (what I have on hand, what I need more of)...if going to get extra stock (or if I even need to.....)

Assuming a cross contaminated mess....but everything were very nice, so......maybe some very pleasant surprises when all finally grown out........Wanted to keep somethings pure/stable/solid.....but,what can you do....(Maybe I'll call it "we" stock )

....