Size does matter!

[jrosek]

1.25 gallon bro.
Got 200 im not gonna use.. Come and get em!lol

 

[chef]

Cool, I used to get about 10g per with no veg.

 

[donny darko]

Nice job jrosek and chef, very informative tread.

Peace darko

 

[DEDHEDFRED]

Hey Jro.........I`m with yas 100%......Break the so-called finite laws of the elusive "GPW".................lol.........

What`s the spacing between plants for 288 in a 5'x10' table.......

Or is it 144 per table x`s 2 tables for a plant total of 288......

What nutes do you use and how often do you feed.........

How deep will your beds be.........

Ok enuff outta me........Thanks for your time Bro.......Grow Hard............

Peace.........DHF........... ...........

 

[jrosek]

Hey Jro.........I`m with yas 100%......Break the so-called finite laws of the elusive "GPW".................lol.........

What`s the spacing between plants for 288 in a 5'x10' table.......

Or is it 144 per table x`s 2 tables for a plant total of 288......

What nutes do you use and how often do you feed.........

How deep will your beds be.........

Ok enuff outta me........Thanks for your time Bro.......Grow Hard............

Peace.........DHF........... ...........

DHF, There will be 288 per table at 5" spacing, harvest 1 table every month or so.
I have been using AN 3 part, Its good , however it produces way to much foliage for me! Gonna go back to GH powder with some additives for this new run, Sometimes the basics are the way to go! I feed evry other Day.
The beds will be filled 5-6", no need for anymore than that with these little ladies. Average height will be around 12".
Peace bro, Thanks for joinen in! Jro

 

[Twisted Metal]

A few questions, in your first pic you said you harved 2lbs with 25plants under one 600watt? So what did you pull of each one, cause later in the thread you said you got 15grams off each plant. Shit never been able to even get more then a lb if that off a 600. On a light mover got around 20oz's with 9 ladies bush style. Iv read the whole thread maybe i missed it but what medium do you start with in the red cups?

Also im confused at how your pots have no holes where does the run off go? After reading the whole dam thread and living year after year with 600's and getting 14-17 oz im gonna have to give this a whirl. So let me see if i got this right using you mix feed them hydro nutes at a 5.8 ph and trim as stated. I guess im just a little confused as to how to feed them in that kind of medium, like did i over water, under water ect ect. Im getting fucking tired of buying bag after bag and mixing my own shit. Its time for a change and jrosek you have made me have some hope. Never thought it was possible to get 2lbs off 600.

Anyways sorry for all the questions but dam im impressed what else can i say. Keep doing what your doing, cant wait to see your bed setup grabs popcorn and a chair good luck mate

.

 

[jrosek]

A few questions, in your first pic you said you harved 2lbs with 25plants under one 600watt? So what did you pull of each one, cause later in the thread you said you got 15grams off each plant. Shit never been able to even get more then a lb if that off a 600. On a light mover got around 20oz's with 9 ladies bush style. Iv read the whole thread maybe i missed it but what medium do you start with in the red cups?

Also im confused at how your pots have no holes where does the run off go? After reading the whole dam thread and living year after year with 600's and getting 14-17 oz im gonna have to give this a whirl. So let me see if i got this right using you mix feed them hydro nutes at a 5.8 ph and trim as stated. I guess im just a little confused as to how to feed them in that kind of medium, like did i over water, under water ect ect. Im getting fucking tired of buying bag after bag and mixing my own shit. Its time for a change and jrosek you have made me have some hope. Never thought it was possible to get 2lbs off 600.

Anyways sorry for all the questions but dam im impressed what else can i say. Keep doing what your doing, cant wait to see your bed setup grabs popcorn and a chair good luck mate

.

twisted, If you noticed in the pics, i have been running different setups under the 4 600's, The originals were 1.25 gallon buckets.
In the quest for maximum yield we have experimented with different containers, spacing, height, veg time, ect........
In the buckets, 1.25zip per cut was the norm, in the bed (style) 15g per cut was the norm. The difference being, you can run 25-30 1 gal buckets, or 80 to 120 in a bed under a 600. I do benefit from the 600's being next to each other for added side lighting will allow you to run a bit bigger foot pattern.

As for the no wholes.... Well, in this system, i have it dialed in well enough that i dont have to flush or have run off. It takes some time, but ultimately if you know your strain and feed this is no problem. I myself will never mix a bag of dirt again!lol
I would have to go on for hours to explain all the details wich i cant do, however, i will be more than happy to try and help you along. There is a lot of info in this thread and the 600 watt club thread on my practices.

The medium is 65% perlite to 35% vermiculite. I use straight hydro nutes mixed to the gallon specifications at a ph of 5.8 to 6, The smaller cuts in the beds recieve 20oz of feed every 2 days., I never feed over 1100ppm. I give them ph adjusted plain water every 4th feed. This helps prevent salt build up.
Another nice thing is, the perlite can be reused over and over.
It is very difficult to over water in this system! The biggest thing is to make sure your cuts are healthy and well rooted before putting them in the medium. you must lite feed them until they are rooted in the medium, When i transplant mine, the medium is moist with a full strength nute, once the cut is inserted, i give 10oz or so to each cut (veg nute), I will not feed again for 4 days or so to let the roots establish. Then its a full feed, wait 3 days or so and then its every 2 days.
My advice my friend, Take 100 cuts now, I will walk you threw it while they root! This system is so easy even a dumb fuck like me can do it!
The key to this system is your strain, You must have a decent yielding indica strain!!! Start growing a few mothers while were at it!
Thats enough for now! Sorry for the spelling and such, my wifes in bed and cant ck my work!lol
Peace, jro

 

[jrosek]

Here is an example of the bucket verses bed.
In pic one a 19g cut from the bed.
pic 2 is an easy 35-40g cut from the bucket.
The averages are done when they are all dried and tallied. Peace, Jro

 

[Brastaman]

hiya jrosek, is that one of the lemonskunks in the last pic?

the last few crops i have inched closer to soilless mediums. i have had to adjust the feeding schedule accordingly but am excited to see and learn from your experiements.

i can say also that larger pots in my garden results in larger yields. Do you have any concerns that your 10"x30" tubs will be big enough to hold so many plants in one container? i have tried beds and my mistake was no allowing for enough root growth.

 

[jrosek]

hiya jrosek, is that one of the lemonskunks in the last pic?

the last few crops i have inched closer to soilless mediums. i have had to adjust the feeding schedule accordingly but am excited to see and learn from your experiements.

i can say also that larger pots in my garden results in larger yields. Do you have any concerns that your 10"x30" tubs will be big enough to hold so many plants in one container? i have tried beds and my mistake was no allowing for enough root growth.

Brasta, Whats up my brotha!
The pics are the bubble, The lemon skunks do not fit my system, They are to tall. We run the LS outside.

In the last to pics you can see the difference in size with the same strain. This is done in the timing and training. I only used the tubs while i was experimenting with timing and such, I had 12 cuts in each 10x30" container. Now that i am dialed in on my system, all the cuts will go in the new beds coming up!! Im losing alot of cuts by the hour tho, Had a heating problem the other night and the clone room was down to 30 degrees for 8hrs!!! The plan is to run 288 cuts in a 5'x10' table x 2 under 4 1000's. At the rate im losing them i may have to make some serious changes or just scrap them all and start fresh in another week or so.
Bro, i can tell you that with soil you must have larger pots to gain weight. but in this type system i can grow a 6oz plant in 1.5 gallon bucket in 75 days from a rooted clone. No bullshhh!
I hear ya on the root growth, The most important aspect to the bed system is fully rooted clones before they go in the beds!!! I cant stress this enough when going straight to flower... This will depict the health and uniform of SOG. A rooted rapid rooter or 1" rockwool cube will leave you with small scrawny plants if transplanted into flower, That is why i let a 9oz cup get rooted for the trans. (usually takes 2.5 weeks from cut)
Anyways, Thanks for the support and i hope this helps!
One more thing bro, If you must use soil, I recomend sunshine#4 with 50% perlite, Next best thing to soilless, In my opinion ofcourse!!

 

[Brastaman]

sweet! nice bit of info.

those bubble's look like they come to play.....

 

[jrosek]

sweet! nice bit of info.

those bubble's look like they come to play.....

They sure do bro, There may be some better smoke out there somewhere but i have never seen an all around better strain, She will do it all!
Jro

 

[prod]

Hey jro & everyone else ofcourse

I have now bought all the coco and nutritients.
I will use three 70x77 cm containers with 36 cuttings each,
this will equal up to 108 plants. I have 10 motherplants ready
and growing in coco. I will root the cuttings in cups before planting
them onto the flowering bed. 3x400w hps.

Nuts we'll use are: Coco A+B, Cannazym
and Pk13/14.

I read somewhere that you do not have drainage on your 10x30" containers ? I wonder how often you water and about how much liquid each time. Then i can just multiply your number by 3 to know how much water i need in each of my three containers. I also wonder if I can water with nutritions everytime, or do i need to water with plain water from time to time?

Im really looking forward seeing the result differences between our setups.
Anyway, still flowering some soil plants so I can not start the grow quite yet,
but i will keep u updated.

peace

 

[jrosek]

Hey jro & everyone else ofcourse

I have now bought all the coco and nutritients.
I will use three 70x77 cm containers with 36 cuttings each,
this will equal up to 108 plants. I have 10 motherplants ready
and growing in coco. I will root the cuttings in cups before planting
them onto the flowering bed. 3x400w hps.

Nuts we'll use are: Coco A+B, Cannazym
and Pk13/14.

I read somewhere that you do not have drainage on your 10x30" containers ? I wonder how often you water and about how much liquid each time. Then i can just multiply your number by 3 to know how much water i need in each of my three containers. I also wonder if I can water with nutritions everytime, or do i need to water with plain water from time to time?

Im really looking forward seeing the result differences between our setups.
Anyway, still flowering some soil plants so I can not start the grow quite yet,
but i will keep u updated.

peace

Hey bro, Sounds good! Hurry up and get to it Damn it!

Im not sure on the coco but with mine i feed every other day, On the 4th waterig i use plain ph'd water.
I think i just explaned this to brasta a couple posts back, check it out.
When your ready let me know and I'll walk you threw it!
Peace, Jro

 

[jrosek]

Prod, here it is.
The medium is 65% perlite to 35% vermiculite. I use straight hydro nutes mixed to the gallon specifications at a ph of 5.8 to 6, The smaller cuts in the beds recieve 20oz of feed every 2 days., I never feed over 1100ppm. I give them ph adjusted plain water every 4th feed. This helps prevent salt build up.
Another nice thing is, the perlite can be reused over and over.
It is very difficult to over water in this system! The biggest thing is to make sure your cuts are healthy and well rooted before putting them in the medium. you must lite feed them until they are rooted in the medium, When i transplant mine, the medium is moist with a full strength nute, once the cut is inserted, i give 10oz or so to each cut (veg nute), I will not feed again for 4 days or so to let the roots establish. Then its a full feed, wait 3 days or so and then its every 2 days.
My advice my friend, Take 100 cuts now, I will walk you threw it while they root! This system is so easy even a dumb fuck like me can do it!
The key to this system is your strain, You must have a decent yielding indica strain!!! Start growing a few mothers while were at it!
Thats enough for now! Sorry for the spelling and such, my wifes in bed and cant ck my work!lol
Peace, jro

 

[prod]

Howdy !

Okay dokay.
Yes well the motherplants aren't big enough
for 100 cuts quite yet. I think the strains will do
fine. Arjans big bang yields pretty ok (says in the description
that its perfect for SOG, thats a plus) and so does
the strawberry cough. Then later on I might update
the table with some new strains, Herijuana is a must,
and also those Lemon skunks.

I think ill get the hang of it when I start feeding.
Im gonna go buy the three trays today. I think ill
go take some pics aswell for ya so you see how im doin.

peace

 

[jrosek]

Finally................. Pics keep us... i mean everyone interested!!

 

[jrosek]

One other thing...
Start pinchen your moms to help speed things up!

 

[prod]

Yarr. The bed is now finished.
Got some pics on the plants im waiting for in my gallery.

pz

 

[jrosek]

Cool bro!
Tell us the results since you trimmed, Are the lower sites fattening up??
We are goona need to keep your girls a lil shorter for the beds.

Happy thanks giving everyone!!