awesome Dragor! My plants are in the same ballpark as yours, hoping they will get just a tad bit more frosty =)
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seed vigor
seed vigor
re: seed vigor.
clones have to shift metabolic gears and "change back" in some ways seeded crop doesn't (during a re-rooting process). I cant imagine that having tissues kinda in the middle stages doesn't make a clone a little suseptable to stress.
in the end, my observation has been clones develop and finish more agressively (time) than seeds; however I will not go as far to say I believe there is a direct correlation to yeild. there are so many confounds to tease out that are strain dependent also. If you were growing out IBL's and comparing them to their cuts is the best way suppose....
Don't forget seeds is where hybrid vigor lives (in the house of ju-ju of course)
seed vigor
re: seed vigor.
clones have to shift metabolic gears and "change back" in some ways seeded crop doesn't (during a re-rooting process). I cant imagine that having tissues kinda in the middle stages doesn't make a clone a little suseptable to stress.
in the end, my observation has been clones develop and finish more agressively (time) than seeds; however I will not go as far to say I believe there is a direct correlation to yeild. there are so many confounds to tease out that are strain dependent also. If you were growing out IBL's and comparing them to their cuts is the best way suppose....
Don't forget seeds is where hybrid vigor lives (in the house of ju-ju of course)
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Greyskull
what up san diego?
greyskull has some sticky fingers right now...
greyskull has some sticky fingers right now...
Dragor said:
next run is exclusive to ThE WhiTe,,,,,aka MOMMA GONA KNOCK YOU OUT
Dragor said:
2-3 weeks of 20% rH Santa Anna's (remember it's relative to temp (what happens when it's cold at night, warm during the day, to your humidity that is). How could they possibly test for that in a place that is damp and moist year round (ADam)?
And here is a 20+ year tip, the outside humidity IS your indoor humidity. (plants use humidity and temp as their feeding parameters [cues] :lightbulb: ).
How many folks have humidifers and dehumidifiers going?
Just saying humidity is so often overlooked. Belive me, the plants know what the humidity is!
Toss your supplements. Focus on environmental parameters.
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guest5703
that grape ape looks real nice bro, and subrob I think you were askin to see greyskulls GRAPE ROM not purple 
I am wondering about the grape taste?!?!? ....well, greyskull????
I am wondering about the grape taste?!?!? ....well, greyskull????
Fuckin A.
I always tell growers to imagine thmemselves having to live in the growroom all their lives... what would YOU like to feel in here? THAT'S what plants want, too. If the grow room's humidity and temps feel like a refreshing summer day... you got it right.
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bbing said:
haha,,, im watchin PUTS >>>and i seen bbings picture,,,
"in every neighberhood there is one house...
where adults whisper about and children cross to avoid..."
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Shan Diego
inflorescence said:
I also believe this is good advice.
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guest5703
That's a really good point there dragor.....I have thought about that too, and a good thing to ask when receiving cuts is how were the cuts kept?? Flouros....what mediums....how much light....light length....Lots of stuff matters to get those little fuckers happy
id have to suggest that it is not the inability of the clone to adept,, but rather user error.
not all strains are easy to clone
on a side note>>>>if you ever get chance to see gay people protesting in california,,, make sure to yell out YES ON 8 ,,,
nothing funnier than 30 gay doods with lisps trying to talk shit
not all strains are easy to clone
on a side note>>>>if you ever get chance to see gay people protesting in california,,, make sure to yell out YES ON 8 ,,,
nothing funnier than 30 gay doods with lisps trying to talk shit
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BHT - might have to make me a new handle: PUTS
a friend related a cool way to put it re: clone condition & vigor:
it's like harvesting a human appendage, you take a toe at the peak development strength, and health and you continue to take cuts at its peak, the odds of avoiding random mutation and stress degradation are in your favor. You start taking a toe that is from a 90 year old...and...OK Jesus, thats just gross..
i dont entirely agree w/ the metaphor, but there is some experiential value in that statement.
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BHT - might have to make me a new handle: PUTS
a friend related a cool way to put it re: clone condition & vigor:
it's like harvesting a human appendage, you take a toe at the peak development strength, and health and you continue to take cuts at its peak, the odds of avoiding random mutation and stress degradation are in your favor. You start taking a toe that is from a 90 year old...and...OK Jesus, thats just gross..
i dont entirely agree w/ the metaphor, but there is some experiential value in that statement.
As a desert dweller who grows in soil, my relative humidity will change dramatically between waterings. The day before I water ,I may have a RH of 30% and the day after it can go to 60%. Summers can be a special challenge with 25% humidity and ambient temps of 115 degrees. Indoor growing can only be accomplished with a closed,insulated grow room. Without supplemental CO2, your plants have limited growth,as the CO2 is used up quickly. After I water, my main a/c can remove 7-10 gal. of water in just a day. Clones taken before I water will be more difficult to root than clones taken after I water.
As was pointed out earlier, different strains clone at different rates. I have some Chinese Yunnan Indica that will form incredible root systems long before any other strain. I also have heavy,stocky Afghans that will have difficulty rooting with their thick woody stems. You get some difference in rooting success in where you take clones from the plants. Clones taken from the top of the plant have more tender tissue(not as woody) and have more plant auxins than clones taken from the bottoms of plants.
As was pointed out earlier, different strains clone at different rates. I have some Chinese Yunnan Indica that will form incredible root systems long before any other strain. I also have heavy,stocky Afghans that will have difficulty rooting with their thick woody stems. You get some difference in rooting success in where you take clones from the plants. Clones taken from the top of the plant have more tender tissue(not as woody) and have more plant auxins than clones taken from the bottoms of plants.
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guest5703
Your right BHT it is the grower's fault that a clone might not adapt to it's new environment. BUT if someone is vegging their mothers under a 400 watt metal halide, and I take cuts from them and I am only able use a couple of T-5's the clones will notice a difference. At that point it wouldn't be my fault in the sense I am a bad grower, it's just I don't have the same equipment to provide the clone with the same exact environment it came from. That sometimes will slow the cut's ability to root. Anyway, just agreeing with dragors statement of environmental issues
bbing
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Cali-G i think we are really starting to define the plant(s) ability to respond to environmental dynamics.
Transition"ing" seems to be key in many of this plants metabolic responses. Getting all the little cell vacuoles, membranes, hormones flow'en and grooving to a discrete rhythm that is defined by strain.
I made similar conclusion from our earlier topic re: light transition periods.
off topic: Bullrider seems to be a super Ca Mg sucker. Anyone wanna compare notes on BR cut nute preferences????
Transition"ing" seems to be key in many of this plants metabolic responses. Getting all the little cell vacuoles, membranes, hormones flow'en and grooving to a discrete rhythm that is defined by strain.
I made similar conclusion from our earlier topic re: light transition periods.
off topic: Bullrider seems to be a super Ca Mg sucker. Anyone wanna compare notes on BR cut nute preferences????
