FFOF burning my cuttings.

[SquallRealm]

I've planted my cuttings into Fox Farms Ocean Forest, and they seem to have rooted but are getting badly burned.
I knew FFOF was notorious for being hot, but I didn't think it would do so much damage.

I want to take the cutting out while it's still hasn't dugg in and transplant it into a cooler mix.

My question is, what should that mix be?
Originally I was going to go to path mark and get seed starter dirt, but I wonder if that dirt is pH balanced.

What does everyone think?

 

[maryj315]

I think the ocean forest is not what is burning your cuttings i use ocean forest along with peace of mind seed starting fertilizer mixed in for clones and seedlings

You might want to post some pics and give some more info before doing any thing drastic

 

[SquallRealm]

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm not at home so I'll post pics later.

So heres all the info
Vegging Cab 24/0
Soil: fox farms ocean forest
Strain: Nirvana WW
Temp: 72F 4+/-
Humidity: 50
Lights: 6x 26W Daylight CFLs (they are 7 inches away from the clones)
Growing Method: Dr.Bud 20oz bottle
Cloning Method: green light rooting hormone, straight to wet FFOF soil. 1 drop superthrive.
Watered only once using the dunking method with 10 drops of superthrive to the gallon and 1 tablespoon of big bloom.

The burn started from the very tips, and is a brownish color. On the smaller nodes it made the leaves curl and dry up.

 

[Albert Hofmann]

try mixing in 30-40% perilite and stop adding nutes...that is more than likely what is burning your plants...just ph water until they are well rooted.


albert

 

[SquallRealm]

I have't been using nutes Albert.
The superthrive and big bloom were necessary to give them a boost, and it was such a small amount no way they'd burn the plant.
25% perlite is already mixed in.
Its the FFOF, because I'm rooting clones in perlite with same formula and none of them are burned.

also disregart the cream color burn, that is from the humidity dome touching the leaf, that was fixed.

 

[maryj315]

Hey man Albert was right he knows 1 or 2 things about growing mj drop the super thrive and that 1 tablespoon was a lot you have to remember the ocean forest has everything your clone needs for a little bit anyway

Also just to throw this out their check your roots just to see if they are well rooted

 

[whodi]

man all you need is pH water.. dont need any additives or nutes at all. NOthing wrong with FoxFarm.. oh and WW can be sensitive.

keep it simple.

 

[Albert Hofmann]

I start seeds in the mix that I suggested...so, I assure you that it isn't too hot. From your pics there isn't anywhere near enough perilite in your mix. It should look like this.

 

[JohnnyToke]

I have't been using nutes Albert.
The superthrive and big bloom were necessary to give them a boost, and it was such a small amount no way they'd burn the plant.
25% perlite is already mixed in.
Its the FFOF, because I'm rooting clones in perlite with same formula and none of them are burned.

also disregart the cream color burn, that is from the humidity dome touching the leaf, that was fixed.

shelf the superthrive and big bloom and your cuttings will look nice and green in ffof. just water bro. nothing else is needed.

JT

 

[SquallRealm]

I think its a little funny I'm hearing this.
Superthrive is recommended by a lot of guides for cloning, Dr. bud uses 10 drop per gallon on his cuttings! and FoxFarms is very notorious for burning plants.

I'll admit Big bloom may have been rushed but its written down on the schedule on Fox Farms website and lets not forget, the same water used on these cuttings went towards the ones that are sitting in perlite and those aren't burned.

I carefully dugg up near the stem and it has rooted. I plan on excavating it out of the dirt its in now and putting it in a mix of more perlite and seed starter dirt.

Can anyone please tell me if the seed starter dirt is pH balanced or would it have to say it is on the package.

I dont mean to sound defensive but everything I know comes from the guides on here, and now I'm hearing the exact opposite.

 

[maryj315]

As long as you stay civil which you are we are going to get you through this

First off proof is in Alberts pics i also use the same mix for going on 3 years now except i now add a seed starting dry fert to the mix it is 3 3 3 so that makes it even hotter i just mix it and throw seedlings or clones in and nothing but straight water from their

Second super thrive is a b1 vitamin and you should only use a drop or 2 per gallon not 10 drops some people do use it but sparingly

If you want to repot fine just wait until they dry out and add more perlite i grew ww in a 50/50 mix of ocean forest and perlite

Like i said Albert knows his stuff so take it or leave it keep us posted and have a nice day

 

[JohnnyToke]

since your actually rooting in the soil as opposed to planting already rooted cuttings in the soil, a little yellowing is normal. the plant isnt uptaking much if anything without roots. yellowing is generally a sign that rooting has taken place.

if you will just water, all the new growth will be lush and green once roots have formed. I would get some cloning powder or gel from your local nursery or h depot and use that as opposed to superthrive. thats just my opinion based on personal cloning results.

another helpful hint is to cut all the large fan leaf blades in half.

hope this helps.

JT

 

[SquallRealm]

alright guys, thanks, I'll let you know what happens.

 

[reject]

hmmm no wonder I always see young clones with cut fan leaves. To help focus plant growth on the roots!!

f***ing duh!

 

[prolificgrower]

dont use superthrive just go organic my plants litereally strecth inches overnite with 2 table spoons NH seaweed/fish and 1 1/2 table spoon organic molasses and no its not just strecth from lackof light cuz nodes are less then an inch apart i allso use FFOF and peace of mind for flower in 15 oz dixie cups the go in al 1 1/2 inch cutting and even my indica doms come out about 12/15 inches

 

[Maj.PotHead]

I think its a little funny I'm hearing this.
Superthrive is recommended by a lot of guides for cloning, Dr. bud uses 10 drop per gallon on his cuttings! and FoxFarms is very notorious for burning plants.

I'll admit Big bloom may have been rushed but its written down on the schedule on Fox Farms website and lets not forget, the same water used on these cuttings went towards the ones that are sitting in perlite and those aren't burned.

I carefully dugg up near the stem and it has rooted. I plan on excavating it out of the dirt its in now and putting it in a mix of more perlite and seed starter dirt.

Can anyone please tell me if the seed starter dirt is pH balanced or would it have to say it is on the package.

I dont mean to sound defensive but everything I know comes from the guides on here, and now I'm hearing the exact opposite.

Drbud eh kool but your haven problems usen his method so maybe ya should listen !!!


FFOF soil is great i've used it for a few yrs with n/p all i've ever done with FFOF is open the bag mix it throughly and use it. heres a 50 site rapid rooter tray i use with FFOF soil instead of the RR plugs







some that where transplanted from the RR tray






planted along with an auto water system thx pot for pennies







as been mentioned drop the superthrive its total crap in my book FFOF soil has enough to keep the plant alive and very healthy for min 2-3 wks before ferts are really needed. now your usen FF Big Bloom ??? at what dose when ya shake the bottle dose it have a ratteling sound ???? FFOF soil is PH ballanced 5.5-6.5 crushed oyster shells if i remember correct whats the PH of the water your feeding the plants with problems

ive tried every cloning method out there heres what works 99-100% sucess for me








i currently use only plain water PH'd @ 5.6-5.7 when roots appear i use some veg ferts from my COCO grow general hydrophonic 3 part flora series

Drbud isnt the only grower on these forms do some reading and your'll notice

 

[SquallRealm]

Update:
Re potted Monday night to a new mix. Added more perlite to the mix and a little potting soil. No BB, no superthrive, pHed tap water.

Picture of her Monday:



Thursday:



Thanks for your support.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

I do see new growth but some deterioratio of the older foliage. I would think this was caused by the initial soil issue.

I see this from time to time thinking its an Mg def but its a soggy soil issue for me.

Not hating on ffof but I have had better luck with reusing (which is a mix of ffof and chicken shit potting soil [Kelloggs patio plus]) my soil then with fresh ffof.

Good luck.

minds_I