IC 600 watt club.

[AdmiralRed]

@Art, don't fret! They look great to me! I commend you on your good work! Very nice soil grow!

@Bule, I believe jrosek has 4 tables each with a 600w staggered 2 weeks apart. He says he gets 1.25oz per plant x 25 plants (per table) = ~31.25oz. At that weight, he averages right at 1.46g/w.

What is this about you investing $20k? You must be buying cabinets for your grow as I could setup up a 2400w system for much cheaper than that! I could even put a bunch of high tech(high dollar) monitoring and automation equipment in there as well. Maybe you should list out your want list and let us tame it down a bit? If you are going to jump in head first and grow, you need to learn to be able to fabricate almost any part of your system from scratch. I do it mainly because I want to stay out of the hydro shops as much as possible. If I can build it from Lowe's parts I am a happy camper. There are some things that you can't help but buy from the hydro store, but your tracks should be covered as best you can.

You are not planning to purchase a turn key system and have it all shipped to your grow site, are you? If so, in my opinion, that raises a red flag!

AR

A few nice pics I took the other night. ST and SS at week 6

 

[jrosek]

Bule, admiralred is correct,
I also agree with him that 20,000 is way to much, unless of course it includes a trailer!LOL 1000 should do it.
I recommend you call tony at HTG supply for all your equipment.
I am sure you can achieve 1 gpw+ with the help of the fellow growers here at IC, we are here for you brother!
Artof... excellent grow buddy! very healthy, How about some details?? soil, strain, ect... would love to see and hear more. Cheers!
AR, You are definitely a gifted man! fenominal as usual, you may want to change your handle to baskinrobins! The envy of all the great strains you have almost hurts!lol
Peace everyone, keep this thread alive! jrosek

 

[jrosek]

Hi jrosek,
Beautiful grow! I am investing my life and $20K, within the next few months, to set up two 3.5' x 7.0' cabinets with two 600HPS bulbs in it each, runninng two ballasts 24/7 on a flip flop.

I am shooting for 0.8 grams per watt right off the bat, as I have my strain, growing technique and eveything dialed in. But I am really hoping for 1GPW.

What I wana ask you is, how are you getting 4 pounds a month? Are you using four Ballasts and 8 bulbs?

I can only see a max of 1200 grams per month with 1200 watts of ballast.

I am very interested in your grow. Could you elaborate a little please? Thank you!

I just re-read your post, Question??? if your running 2 600's why would you need a realy to run them 24-7? Did you mean 2 ballasts and 4 bulbs? I think 2 600's in your area will be more than enough light. Jro

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Artof... excellent grow buddy! very healthy, How about some details?? soil, strain, ect... would love to see and hear more. Cheers!

No problem!

Uk Cheese Cut

Fox Farm Ocean Forest with added pearlite.

Veg Nutes - PBP Grow

Flower Nutes - Fox Farm Tiger Bloom

Pure water for two weeks now...

I'll post some more pics up soon...

 

[jrosek]

No problem!

Uk Cheese Cut

Fox Farm Ocean Forest with added pearlite.

Veg Nutes - PBP Grow

Flower Nutes - Fox Farm Tiger Bloom

Pure water for two weeks now...

I'll post some more pics up soon...

I just broke into your thread, Excellent all the way! great read my friend! peace, Jro

 

[Bulénath]

@Art, don't fret! They look great to me! I commend you on your good work! Very nice soil grow!

@Bule, I believe jrosek has 4 tables each with a 600w staggered 2 weeks apart. He says he gets 1.25oz per plant x 25 plants (per table) = ~31.25oz. At that weight, he averages right at 1.46g/w.

What is this about you investing $20k? You must be buying cabinets for your grow as I could setup up a 2400w system for much cheaper than that! I could even put a bunch of high tech(high dollar) monitoring and automation equipment in there as well. Maybe you should list out your want list and let us tame it down a bit? If you are going to jump in head first and grow, you need to learn to be able to fabricate almost any part of your system from scratch. I do it mainly because I want to stay out of the hydro shops as much as possible. If I can build it from Lowe's parts I am a happy camper. There are some things that you can't help but buy from the hydro store, but your tracks should be covered as best you can.

You are not planning to purchase a turn key system and have it all shipped to your grow site, are you? If so, in my opinion, that raises a red flag!

AR

A few nice pics I took the other night. ST and SS at week 6

The 20K is not only for all the equipment and grow boxes which I am building myself out of 8' x 4' melamine sheets ($6K), but 3 months rent + deposit ($10K) and living expenses for 3 months ($3-4k).
I have a safe house that I am ordering all my stuff too, then I am going to move out. And also, I don't have a job and I don't work. I will just stay at home all day and play guard dog!

Anyway, I have been designing my boxes for quite some time with paint shop and would love to post them here for you all to see and give pointers on, etc.. I have been growing for about four years now, and I have my technique, strain, perpetual, etc, dialed in and ready to step up to the big leagues where you guys are at.

 

[Bulénath]

I just re-read your post, Question??? if your running 2 600's why would you need a realy to run them 24-7? Did you mean 2 ballasts and 4 bulbs? I think 2 600's in your area will be more than enough light. Jro

Yes I will be running 2 ballast 24/7 on a flip flip between two boxes. Each box will have two 600hps bulbs.

 

[Bulénath]

Bule, admiralred is correct,
I also agree with him that 20,000 is way to much, unless of course it includes a trailer!LOL 1000 should do it.
I recommend you call tony at HTG supply for all your equipment.
I am sure you can achieve 1 gpw+ with the help of the fellow growers here at IC, we are here for you brother!
Artof... excellent grow buddy! very healthy, How about some details?? soil, strain, ect... would love to see and hear more. Cheers!
AR, You are definitely a gifted man! fenominal as usual, you may want to change your handle to baskinrobins! The envy of all the great strains you have almost hurts!lol
Peace everyone, keep this thread alive! jrosek

Ahh this is the kind of warm greeting and reply that just brings a huge smile to my face. It reminds me of the same hospitality back in OverGrow's old 150hps club that got me started many years back!
I have ordered from HTG suppy, they are very cool people, and I wouldn't mind doing buisness with them again.

As far as how I grow...

I strictly use a potting medium of 1/3 each: Perlite/worm castings/Black Golds Organic Soil. I feed every other day with Pure Blend Pro Soil.
For veg I use 1/3 Each: Perlite/worm castings/verm. I feed every other day with Pure Blend Pro Veg, after they are two weeks into veg.
Thanks to Lavender Cowboy for showing me that path.

Pretty much it! My temps are controlled with an A/C, here in teh tropics where the ambient temps and humidity remain high. My flower chambers run between 75f-80f at 50% RH on the average.











Although thisis a 150 watt HPS, I am using these pictures as a reference.
This is my 60 day strain: Tropical Rainbow. The pictures were taken at day 38 flower. Those are 5 gallon sterlite containers that I converted to rectangular pots. These are the same pots I will be growing in when I move out. I will have 12 of these pots per flower chamber, six per 600HPS light bulb.
Each light bulb has a 3.5 x 3.5' foot print. So the entire flower chamber will be 3.5' x 7' long.
I plan on having only 3.5 feet aswell from the floor to glass shield. The reflectors will be perfectly straight, inline with eachother, and there will be a single inline fan, probably a Solar & Palau 440cfm+ ppulling on the 1200 watts. No bends, no curves, just a straight intake to exhaust.
Althogh the main ventilation for each cabinet is going to be 2 x 340cfm Panasonic whisper fans with can filters at each end.
Anyway, there is so much more I would like to share, but I need to wait until I post my Paint Shop's cabinet design so you guys see what I am talking about. That would be best. Anyway, I appreciate all the warm welcomes and replies and I look foward to making this 600HPS club my new home!

 

[Bulénath]

Ok here it is.





Keep in mind that there will be two Panasonic whisper fans both with can carbon filters attached to the intake. The one in the back, running the opposite direction, is not pictured due to limited space.

I realize that there are dark vents, for even cheaper, but I'd rather use symetrically placed holes with PVC because if you look at the intake, it is perfectly symetrical, and the intake air rises between the plants, through the thick canopy, evenly!

Any Suggestios, comments, questions, etc, please feel free!

 

[jrosek]

Ok....aaahhhh forget it, See you guys tomorow!

 

[beamx0r]

just picked up my 6'er, you guys are inspiring!

 

[AdmiralRed]

@Bule' Nice design. Pretty well thought out. With as much air as you will have running through there, you should avoid air layering. I like the intakes on the floor, that should help as you should always have an upward movement of air.

One thing that I like to do is run a pond liner in the bottom of my grow and run it up about 6" up along the bottom of the walls in case of flooding. I have a rez at the bottom of my closet and I always act as if the whole thing could fail at anytime. Even if it does, the pond liner in the bottom of my grow would hold the entire contents of the rez. With that in mind, I might rethink the venting situation in your cabinet floor. Maybe some smaller vents up a little higher up on the wall? The u-turn pvc light traps work well when you paint the inside black. I think you are planning to hand water and will not have a rez, but I like to be able to strip the plants out and be able to spray and wipe down if needed. I can see all kinds of things such as soil mix, leaves and maybe even nutrient lids ending up in one of the holes.

The uneven nature of my canopy got addressed this morning. The plants closest to harvest were shorter than one of two rows from the second wave. Half of the second wave were high octane stretch monsters. In order to combat this problem, I used some old 4" vinyl fence post material underneath 3 of the troughs to raise them up. Two of them got a 4" lift and the one with the newest clones got a 8" lift. Things are a little more level in there now.


I also tried a bit of an experiment. There is a grower that I have kept tabs on that cuts his fan leaves in half. He gets quite a decent yield out of it. After thinking about it, I thought it was the least stressful of any trimming methods as the buds could keep a local source of energy close by. Otherwise, if I stripped them, it would suffer and have to reroute its energy pathways to make up for a totally absent fan leaf. You can see the trimmed leaves in this picture.


Here is a quick shot of the grow buttoned up as well as a glance at my filter installation. Currently the exhaust fan draws through the filter, through ducting, then the light, then more ducting to the fan in the attic. A long duct pull like that is not the most efficient use of the fan. I will work the fan in right behind the filter and push air through the light and into the attic tonight.

Here is the filter to be reworked tonight. While there is air moving through it, it should be working much more efficiently if it is going to keep up with the stink.

Here is a pic of it all buttoned up. The Stanley blower takes 6" flex duct like it was designed for it. It keep a constant supply of cool air pumping into the chamber.


Thought you guys might want to see what I did this morning before they went to sleep.

AR

 

[AdmiralRed]

I took a few more photos right after the lights went out. As usual, much better pics than lights on. When they get a little closer to finished, I will pull out the colored party lights and frame some pictures like a Centerfold Model.

You can get a better idea of how the girls at week 4 in the front row are filling out. You can also see the 4" height difference of the second row, it's the one that got raised 8" this morning. The first and third were raised 4".


Here is one for reference, I wear large gloves. About 2.5" to 3" in diameter and fattening up noticeably.


I threw a little black plastic behind this one so you could see how I trimmed up the fan leaves.


AR

 

[Bulénath]

AdmiralRed, thank you for the nice reply
You have very beautiful plants! I always try to trim each iindividual finger into a "V" shape with the middle coming to a tip. Though I only trim fan leaves when it comes to cloning..

I was wondering, given a single 600hps in a very good A/C-reflector such as Cool Sun, if the fans pulling on the lights make the glass shield cool to the touch, how close can most plants cola-tips get before you can expect light bleaching?...Not burning from heat, but actual bleaching?

Even though I am really good at flowering withing small spaces (Like 17-1/2" from floor to glass under a 150) I am a concerned about my 3-1/2 foot height from floor to glass sheid not being enough for my Dual 600HPS cabinets, as pictured last page. I know I can make it work regardless, but still, I want optimal height for my plants, because in the end, it DOES create a higher yeild.



This is my larger 150HPS cabinet, with 30" from floor to the light bulb.
The total height of my 5 gallon pots pluss a fully bloomed ganja plant is 26",
so the plant is roughly 16" tall in this case. (All pots are 10 inches tall)


...And although I will be growing the exact same plants in the exact same pots as pictured above, I know the 600HPS and extra space will cause them to gain extra girth, and height, along with yeild.
But it is the height which is my concern!
Given these specifications, do you think my 600HPS cabinets have enough height?
My pots are only 10", so that leaves 32" of height left for my plants to grow until they touch the 600's glass shield. Keep in mind I will be growing a smaller number of larger plants in 5gal pots, opposed to a SOG, or the alike. As a last resort, I will put up a screen to make it work, basically a scrog. But I'd rather LST my babies, as caring for them will be my one and only job!

 

[jrosek]

Keep it alive.....

 

[AdmiralRed]

Alright fine then! Updates!

 

[AdmiralRed]

Sorry, forgot this one!

 

[thc43]

joins the 600wt club

3x 600wt bigbud grow 12 plants in total looking weighty atm, anything around 1gpw in under 12 weeks is a decent grow for me over 1.25g in 10 weeks is an xcelent grow







single 600wt 9 plants 5 day veg and 10 days into flower. grown in recycled coco in a 90cm x 90cm tray

 

[medgrowr02]

AdmiralRed, why do you chop your fan leaves so early? Do you actually notice a significant difference in weight? Resin production? I've always read that the occasional trim is usually required, even lollipops are trimmed heavy early on, but all the fan leaves seems a bit excessive? Just curious man. Incredible show.

 

[AdmiralRed]

Very nice work THC!

Got back from being out of town for a couple of nights. Thought I would grab a few select girls out of the HPS and get some decent shots.

First up, a silly ass Jack Herer. This one gets so damned sugared up that the leaf margins curl up.

Alright, so now a Sensi Star. This one packs on weight like a super star!

A nice Sweet Tooth example. Absolutely coated with sugar!

A more complete shot of the same ST.