Plant Success Super Endo 130K for hydro: anyone used it?

[MoleMcHenry]

Since hydroguard has been (temporarily?) discontinued, I've been looking for something to replace it, and came across Plant Success Super Endo 130K.

Here's the description: "Plant Success Super Endo 130K is a concentrated, highly soluble blend of three different mycorrhizal fungi that's perfect for hydroponic applications. It packs a root-boosting 130,000 mycorrhizal fungi per pound, which dramatically enhance a plant's ability to absorb water and nutrients and improve overall health."

and here's a link to the product.

It looks like the fungi go into the res, and then they colonize the roots in the media. Does anyone have any experiences with this product? It's a lot cheaper than GH subculture-M.

 

[chubbynugs]

Get roots excellurator. Shits the bomb.

 

[Guest]

Hi Mole,

Hydroguard will be back lickity split! Rumor is they are reworking it with more beneficial bacteria so that it can compete more with the likes of Sub Culture. That product you listed, is foreign to me but looks promising. If possible try to compare the amount of beneficial bacteria between the two products. They should be listed on the package, its listed on subculture and hydroguard.

Chubby is right, roots excellerator is bomb! Its a bit expensive like the subculture though.

 

[chubbynugs]

Hi Mole,

Hydroguard will be back lickity split! Rumor is they are reworking it with more beneficial bacteria so that it can compete more with the likes of Sub Culture. That product you listed, is foreign to me but looks promising. If possible try to compare the amount of beneficial bacteria between the two products. They should be listed on the package, its listed on subculture and hydroguard.

Chubby is right, roots excellerator is bomb! Its a bit expensive like the subculture though.

Yeah it is a tad expensive but you only use 1.1 ml a gallon as opposed to voodoo juices 30 ml gallon. Roots has all the stuff piranha. tarantula, and voodoo juice has in it plus some.

 

[Guest]

Yeah it is a tad expensive but you only use 1.1 ml a gallon as opposed to voodoo juices 30 ml gallon. Roots has all the stuff piranha. tarantula, and voodoo juice has in it plus some.

It is POTENT isn't it! And don't spill it on the floor if you have carpet, stains worse than liquid karma if thats even possible haha.

I was stating its expensive because the thread poster was looking for a cheaper alternative to sub culture while hydroguard is being reworked, and the products (roots excellerator and sub culture) are very similarly priced. Depending on how much you get the products for would be a determining factor though.

Around these parts a packet of subculture will treat 50 gal of water, where you would need roughly 50 ml. of roots excellerator based on your formula. A .25 liter bottle of roots excellerator will treat 250 gallons. To treat the same 250 gallons with sub culture that would take 5 packets. Sub Culture is sold in individual packets as well as containers with 6 packets. The container of 6 packets around these parts is about the same price or cheaper than the .25 liter bottle of roots excellerator depending on which store is visited. They both work great, but you can treat 50 more gallons of water with the subculture than roots excellerator when spending roughly the same amount of money.

I am not hating on you in the slightest, they are both superior products! They are just similarly priced around these parts. That doesn't stop the use of em tho haha

roots excellerator for cloning, and sub-culture and hydroguard for in the rez. prob why there is so much roots excellerator not being used up in the cupboard.

roots excellerator would be a better choice if someone is treating less water, as the liquid would be easier to dose out in smaller amounts. sub culture works best using one pack per 50 gal. its even packaged in a self dissolving film. although it doesn't self dissolve very well, open and pour is best.

Great info about the roots excellerator chubby! Glad to see someone getting results from that line of nutes. Do you use anything else from house and garden?

 

[chubbynugs]

Nah i hear you there man. Does not the excellerator have more concentrations of bacteria though? I just thought that was the case. I put roots in my res every week and that shit is adding up. I know you should just be able to feed the bacteria with carbo load or similar products so you dont have to reintroduce them as much. I was looking into other nutes from this line but most stores around here only stock roots excellerator and i believe they have a coco line. Does that sound right? Hmm could be wrong though. I have been on the advanced nutes for a while now though and it will be hard to change those out.

 

[Weedman Herb]

Plant Success is the first and Only myco innoculant I've ever used. Their revamp for a hydro application can't be a Bad Thing IMHO.

 

[dongle69]

Hydroguard isn't being reworked. Same 'ol stuff.
The EPA is making Botanicare register it as a microbial pesticide.
The red tape is keeping it off the shelf for now in California.
I talked to Botanicare and they said they weren't sure if they were going to go through with it.
For a direct replacement, you can still get "Companion" by American Hydroponics.

 

[Guest]

Weedman, thanks for some good info! Its always good to hear something from an actual user. Now its in the list to give a try.

chubby, I do not know which has more concentration of bacteria between the roots excellerator and the sub culture. The Sub Culture has much more than hydroguard, but roots excellerator puzzles me. The amount of beneficials are listed on both the sub culture and hydroguard bottles, but not on the roots excellerator. Is it just the bottles over in these parts? Do your roots excellerator bottles list the beneficials?

You are absolutely correct with your info about the beneficials, and not needing to introduce them as often if left alone to multiply. Thing is, in most cases not changing out a rez could cause a disaster so what some do is put a sock type filter inside to hold the bacteria so when you change rez sock filter goes back in with some of the older beneficials. Sort of a way to keep them going, instead of starting new again with each rez change.

Is this enough to not need introductions of new beneficials? Don't know, but its something the town talks about from time to time.

Are you just topping up your rez or changing it out? I am still learning about these beneficials and trying to find the best application. I enjoy our discussion, you sound like you are on your p's and q's! It has truly made my day.

As for a the nute line, they do have special nute line for coco! (3 lines: hydro, soil, coco) plus a number of additives.

Haven't used anything other than the roots excellerator for clones, like you say.

I have been on the advanced nutes for a while now though and it will be hard to change those out.

This is such a true statement, PBP here instead of AN, but same mindset. I would love to get a cheaper nute schedule, but the buds are so good lmao. Its hard to change what is working! but in reality, so many things work!

 

[Guest]

Hydroguard isn't being reworked. Same 'ol stuff.
The EPA is making Botanicare register it as a microbial pesticide.
The red tape is keeping it off the shelf for now in California.
I talked to Botanicare and they said they weren't sure if they were going to go through with it.
For a direct replacement, you can still get "Companion" by American Hydroponics.

Thanks for the clairfication dongle! I have heard both, but haven't heard it from someone who talked with Botanicare. Thanks again

 

[chubbynugs]

http://www.house-garden.us/roots excel report.pdf Even the website doesnt really tell you what is in the stuff. I use a bubble wall in my res even though it says to not use one but i have seen not one negative result from it. I think the key with using bacteria in a reservoir is your water temperatures. If you cant keep the water cool you are better off not using any kind of bacteria and you should just use the basic nutes plus some kind of additive to kill rot. I top my 40 gallon res on the third or fourth day back to the original starting ppms and then switch my res out every week. I just pump the water out to the toilet and lightly rinse the res out. You can see where the colonies are at for the most part so i try not to scrub them down.

 

[Guest]

^ Nice

Same rez practices here, whats a bubble wall? I assume its airating the water? bubbles?

 

[chubbynugs]

Yeah it is basically porous tubing. I have a four foot one in each of my reservoirs. They make them in all types of sizes though. I opted to use one of these because my res is kinda long and two airstones wasnt gonna cut it. This way i can get bubbles all the way up my res and keep it looking like a jacuzzi. I also use a super small water pump to keep the water agitated.

 

[Guest]

Ja Cool Zi! haha

Don't worry about that bubble wall in your rez, check this thread page two explains the misprint and misleading advice about airating your rez with those nutes.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31024&page=2&pp=15

 

[chubbynugs]

Ahh sweet that makes total sense. Im glad i am already adding more every res change.

 

[MoleMcHenry]

Wow! This thread took off!

I went to another hydro store to see if they still carried hydroguard, where I told the owner about my nute regimen (floranova bloom and floralicious plus) and he told me to add hygrozyme, the enzyme product. He said it would keep my roots healthy and it would be a good complement if I added a sweetener (I was also thinking about adding Botanicare Sweet this round). So I ended up buying some berry flavored sweet and hygrozyme. I'll let everyone know how it goes.

Thanks for all the replies, y'all!

Mole

 

[Guest]

Hi Mole,

Sweet is an excellent product! The berry batch is better than the newer citrus batch, so stick with it. You got hooked up! Shake it up really good, and watch the sparkle show haha.

 

[chubbynugs]

Just so you know you feed enzymes and bacteria with sugars. A plant naturally secretes sugars through the roots in their waste and that feeds the bacteria and enzymes naturally. The purpose of adding a sugar additive is to accelerate the feeding of the enzymes and bacteria so they can focus more on breaking things down. Enzymes accelerate bacteria growth and bacteria accelerates enzyme growth. They go together like peas in a pod. Get roots excelerator too and you will be loving life. I use hygrozyme and it works wonderfully.

 

[Weedman Herb]

If you do soilless ProMix BX has mycorr in it ready to colonize. Floralicious+ was suggested as a replacement for Sweet. I love it and so do my plants. I don't use many products at all. On top of the FloraNova (G & B) I do the AN sensizym (for the roots) the licious + (for carbs, aminos and fulvics) and a touch of calmag every other feeding. This is pretty much a constant (the floranova is always gradually increased) until the last week of feeding when I slap them with Kool Bloom.

 

[dongle69]

Floralicious Plus has the same bacillus subtilis that Hydroguard does.
They better not pull that!