Cheese x MrNice "Shit"......is this still SK1 IBL

[kopite]

i dont know why you say its mutated....or ill....where did you get the info from ??,,,they said it was lucky sk1 pheno and its allways been like this.....SamS saw Cheese and said it was a perfect example of "sweet" SK1...so who knows ??....i dont

thanks for the note on Ac Gold......i missed that....good lookin out man...niceone


the reason why i dont want to start with Afghan is it makes SuperSkunk not a SK1 IBL...BBC is exactly that Cheese x Afhgan with 2 bx`s..... IBL is my objective....Afghan might be a BX ..but i thought my job would be easyer if i started with an Afghan dom Skunk line...shanti has done half my job...and Cheese is a world class SK1 IBL.....it just makes sence to me





my friends and I have come to believe the massive smell from the Cheese comes from the old Afgan samS s used in SK1 the Roadkill has a similar "massive smell" but RoadKill also has the acrid taste too.....Cheese is a sweet Skunk with Afghan "large" smell.....Cheese even tastes like strong hash sometimes

NL apparently has a similar Afghan Trait .....SK1 used to be known as genericly similar to NL in the UK in 89.....the look/smell/taste were similar back then.....everyone loved the heavy smell...then it all fell apart

that contradicts itself ..... which is it "sweet" or "roadkill" ???? the "cheese" smell and look got stinkier and looking the way it does over time... approx 7 years and FYI the cheese came from I think if memory serves me right 3 or four fems from a pack of sensi stock skunk #1, it was the best plant of them and even then it was only considered an "ok" plant... where the frig do you get that "cheese" is an IBL, its a freaky pheno of Sk#1... surely ffs if it was just a Sk#1 pheno and not a mutant freak or whatever .. you would of seen it again or there would of been more "cheese" plants from that batch at that time !!! does that not seem logical.... and the info comes from someone who grew this SK#1, it is also documented in a magazine... I'll get you the issue number etc if you would like.......

 

[englishrick]

why does it contradict itself......the SK1 was made in the USA with "Ac.gold,Co.gold,Afghan"......the Roadkill was an Aghan dom pheno in the seedline....when sam came to Amsterdam he bread out the Afghan and sweetend it....Cheese is a pheno reminicant of that Aghan....and as i said NL also had this reminicant Afghan smell and taste,this makes me think a similar Afghan pheno is showing up in all them polly`s

i work in a shop that sells them mags....and im sure ive read the same artical that said it was a mutant.....i thought it was silly back then....

Cheese is the female part of Sensi`s Sk1 polly hybrid brought to IBL.....if i had a male from the same batch i would have both parts and i would be able to make IBL seeds....it might not breed true for all traits but after more selective inbreeding, its quite posible i could stabilize the Afghan trait

 

[medical_shed]

they said it was lucky sk1 pheno and its allways been like this.....

If you grew out a thousand packs of sensi skunk you wouldn't find another cheese even ten thousand, it's not a pheno it's a spontaneous mutation or 'sport' as they're called.

 

[englishrick]

how can you say it was a mutation without understanding how to mutate.....are you saying it aclimatized itself....witch is totaly possible


the reason why we call it "sport" is because we all have cut and try to outgrow each other

 

[kopite]

no a plant thats described as sporty etc is such as a polyploid and can mutant.... as described as such in books like MJ chemistry or MJ botany..... and has FA to do with

the reason why we call it "sport" is because we all have cut and try to outgrow each other

why does it contradict itself......the SK1 was made in the USA with "Ac.gold,Co.gold,Afghan"......the Roadkill was an Aghan dom pheno in the seedline....when sam came to Amsterdam he bread out the Afghan and sweetend it....Cheese is a pheno reminicant of that Aghan....and as i said NL also had this reminicant Afghan smell and taste,this makes me think a similar Afghan pheno is showing up in all them polly`s

SamS saw Cheese and said it was a perfect example of "sweet" SK1...so who knows ??....i dont

so let me get this clear SamS says it looks like the "sweet" type of Sk1 he bred.... the cheese this is, so that would suggest its not from a "roadkill" line !!!

yet you say it is... and yet in thousands of seeds not one "cheese" type has shown up !!! ...

the roadkill skunk is not "cheese".....

 

[KindBudKid]

All I know is that MrNice Shit is a great all around strain.. and would recomend it to anyone...

 

[cbf]

potent?

potent?

Do the seeds come out as described, are they stabilized? I've had mixed luck with seeds, Reservoir seeds were all very sour and stable, are Mr. Nice worth the big bucks?

 

[KindBudKid]

Big bucks??? A pack of Shit costs $45, but to anawer your question, yes they are worth it.. There is some variation in some of their strain and will need some selection.. Everyone I've grown has pleased me.. Try one of their hazes.. SSH, MangoHaze, AfghanHaze and you'll see..

 

[englishrick]

Do the seeds come out as described, are they stabilized? I've had mixed luck with seeds, Reservoir seeds were all very sour and stable, are Mr. Nice worth the big bucks?

ive had mixed luck too....too many banks to mention....both them guys are best in the business....the reason why i keep clones is because seeds are too un predictable.....try germin 30 of the same beans from ither bank...if you dont find what you want , move on or F2 "incross"....that usaly brings the freeks out...thanks for dropin in man




yeh samS saw the Cheese and said it was a perfect example of sweet skunk...ive heard alot of people say Cheese is what Sensi`s SK1 used to be like..." skunk wothout the acrid taste"....RoadKill is just a pre sweetend Afghan Dom SK1`.....what im saying is sam kept the Aghan smell with Cheese/sensi`s early SK1, but not the acrid taste.....after 1990 people started to dislike the generic taste of sweetskunk..it seemed to be in everything,,,, and they did not care for the "stink"...this is when people forgot what skunk was all about "if you ask me"...and the stink vanished.....only when people saw a 20 year old SK1 clone did they relize how mutch better the old gear was, the old afghan was one of the best part of SK1 and it was breed out by mid 90`s by sensi`s inbreeding.....sam kept a small amout of Afghan in the SK1 with his eye for quality

i also have friends that say NL used to be genericly similar to 89`s SK1....how dose that fit in to this..??....it sound like the afghan dom part of SK1 has been totaly breed out,, and the same with basic5 ~to~ NL

 

[indifferent]

This thread is just all wrong. Skunk and NL were never very similar.

Cheese is not a mutation, it's not even a selection, the guy who first grew it grew it in his border in the back garden and only cloned one of his Skunks cos at the time he didn't know they would be different. He gave the cut to a friend who grew it indoors and it was a keeper. The Cheese name was given to it a couple of years later. It reached Exodus in 1995 and spread from there. All it is is a Skunk #1 with an unusually large smell, in all other ways it is just Skunk #1, the line really was as good as Cheese, other skunk females would have been just as potent and tasty, they just didn't have the huge stink. The smell probably comes from an expression of a terpene from the Afghan part of it's lineage, how recessive that trait is is unknown exactly, certainly it's elusive when you try to breed for it.

Rick, you're completely messed up on this topic, the Afghan never had an accrid taste, and the Cheese smell is not just from the Afghan, the Colombian plays a part too. You say you want to take Skunk back to what it was before it arrived in Amsterdam. Clearly you haven't got a clue about the history of Skunk. Read some of Sam's posts, he grew out 180 progeny lines with 150 individuals per line in greenhouses and only created the stable Skunk AFTER arriving in Amsterdam. It was during the first 3 years in Holland that Sam worked the Skunk line into a sweet, sativa dominant one, he selected out the more stinky, indica leaning phenos.

Roadkill skunk you claim is an Afghani dom Skunk #1, do you have any evidence of this or direct experience of roadkill?

You're really talking fantasy with all of this and need to drop this obsession and deal more in reality.

 

[dank.frank]

i guess if you really wanted to, you could always check at seedbo and look at the land race offerings. Probably some good breeders if you buy enough seeds. You seem to enjoy breeding and the concepts of the plant - and you seem to know what you are looking for, as far as pheno/traits...why not try and breed your very own personal sk#1.

Then you can use it in your cross to the cheese (which you have never specified what cheese plant you are using, ie clone/ghs/bb; just curious)...and you won't have to worry about lineage or who's parent plant died or lived or got changed or whatever.....not only that but you can custom taylor your skunk creation to fit your liking as far as isolating "keepers".

As far as "IBL" goes...beats me.

Sounds like fun, good luck.

dank.Frank

 

[englishrick]

im realy sorry if im wrong....but id realy apreceate it if you could tell me why

Oh yeh.....its the UK CHEESE clone "Propper HAZ Stuff"..and personlizing a sk1 seedline, is exactly what i want to do

This thread is just all wrong. Skunk and NL were never very similar.

il ask Elavator Man to clear this up with you....he has personal experence and this is now a comon undrestanding between peeps who have the old Exodus clones Cheese,Psycho,Blues,Livers...they all taste similar and blues is said to be of NL decent....some propper UK Pro`s say this stuff all the time

Cheese is not a mutation, it's not even a selection, the guy who first grew it grew it in his border in the back garden and only cloned one of his Skunks cos at the time he didn't know they would be different. He gave the cut to a friend who grew it indoors and it was a keeper.

so the second guy with the lights selected it as a "keeper"...it was given to him as a mistery clone and he made his choice..

The Cheese name was given to it a couple of years later. It reached Exodus in 1995 and spread from there. All it is is a Skunk #1 with an unusually large smell, in all other ways it is just Skunk #1, the line really was as good as Cheese, other skunk females would have been just as potent and tasty, they just didn't have the huge stink. The smell probably comes from an expression of a terpene from the Afghan part of it's lineage, how recessive that trait is is unknown exactly, certainly it's elusive when you try to breed for it.

I COULD NOT HAVE WROTE THIS BETTER MYSELF....mainly because of my spelling .....lol......but,,,,,.k+ for that seriously...this is exactly my understanding

Rick, you're completely messed up on this topic, the Afghan never had an accrid taste, and the Cheese smell is not just from the Afghan, the Colombian plays a part too.

thats some good info right there.........you could be totaly right about the Colombian contributing to "MASSIVE" smell cheese has......but i do believe sam said that it was an the "Acrid taste" was an old Afghan trait......he removed this undesirable trait by removing the Afghan lookalikes in the parent stock of each generation.....il check myself tho, an il get back to you on that!!..

You say you want to take Skunk back to what it was before it arrived in Amsterdam. Clearly you haven't got a clue about the history of Skunk. Read some of Sam's posts, he grew out 180 progeny lines with 150 individuals per line in greenhouses and only created the stable Skunk AFTER arriving in Amsterdam. It was during the first 3 years in Holland that Sam worked the Skunk line into a sweet, sativa dominant one, he selected out the more stinky, indica leaning phenos.

i do want that for my SK1 !!

my understanding is that sam brought SK1 to Amsterdam as an unstable pollyhybrid.....the RoadKill was a pheno aquired while it was in its unstable state in the USA.....this unstable SK1 seedline had a tendency to show "acrid and stinky Afghan phenos"..ie RoadKill,,,,,..this is not what sam wanted and he removed the stinky acrid Afghan while persuing his vishon of SweetSkunk..... he continued to try to limit the phenos retaining as much vigor as posible with large calax formation...while at the same time dicarding the Afghan phenos in each generation


Sam and Sensi might have dicarded similar phenos to Cheese in the past.....but the genes are allways there...it happend to pop up in 89...Cheese looks nothing like an Afghan so maybe its possible they missed that pheno

Roadkill skunk you claim is an Afghani dom Skunk #1, do you have any evidence of this or direct experience of roadkill?

im sorry your right ...in putting the picture together ...i forgot to get a good look at the box....lol

i thought that was what everyone thought!!......

Acrid Afghan + SK1 = RoadKill

Sk1 minus the Acrid Afghan = sweet skunk...

sorry...your right ...im in no positon to speculate

You're really talking fantasy with all of this and need to drop obsession and deal more in reality.

please dont get pissed off with me

 

[barletta]

I had 1 Shit that I 'lost'. I pulled her clone sisters bet Sept 15-20. I pulled this 1 Oct 14. Um, it is fukkin close to roadkill. I have had this cut for ~8mo indoors, and the Sept outdoor was very funky, but more pine/garlic/armpits. This bud is not even cured yet, and it is similar to a skunk spray - You can 'see' the funk in the air just before you rub your eyes.

Shit is a no joke seedline CHEAP. I have seen ~5 different females (I have 2males and a female now), and all of them have been indy dom. If I didn't know what they were, I'd say >75% indica. The smoke on the outdoor is FIRE too. Not couch locky, but RED EYED, happy, warm stoned. Gettin a couple of Shits together with a couple of G/Sk's for some bulk outdoor seed fer next year.

Good luck with your project, Rick. Shit IS a stable afghan dom sk. I'll be running a pack every summer from here out.

 

[englishrick]

This thread is just all wrong. Skunk and NL were never very similar.

il ask Elavator Man to clear this up with you....he has personal experence and this is now a comon undrestanding between peeps who have the old Exodus clones Cheese,Psycho,Blues,Livers...they all taste similar and blues is said to be of NL decent....some propper UK Pro`s say this stuff all the time

i just remembered.........it might have been NL x BB that was genericly like SK1..............im sorry man.....my fault...

im sure someone said NL was similar SK1 because of similar Afghan`s....but i cant reference it

the rest is aucurate,,,

i hope ElevatorMan can drop by and clear this up...

 

[GDK]

Chill Rick....youre posting so many breeding related threads with speculations upon speculations and ideas. Quoting this one and that one about cali strains and almost every other strain. Im sure you have grown alotta gear, but you even come off as an expert, using nothing but other peoples experiences and hearsay. Post some growthreads and some pics instead man...much more fun. I dont wanna seem like a dick, but ive been wondering about this for some time now...and what is the point of these threads? You say yourself that this project is not in your league....why make a thread about it then? Why do you speculate on the lineage of all these strains, which you havent even smoked alot of(Cali lines etc) and are probably not gonna breed with either? Again i dont mean to be rude, but it just seems to me like you are reading some threads, and bringing info from those into your own threads and use it to seem very knowledgeable, even tho losing half of the info on the way.

Stay Safe

 

[kopite]

Cheese is not a mutation, it's not even a selection, the guy who first grew it grew it in his border in the back garden and only cloned one of his Skunks cos at the time he didn't know they would be different. He gave the cut to a friend who grew it indoors and it was a keeper. The Cheese name was given to it a couple of years later. It reached Exodus in 1995 and spread from there. All it is is a Skunk #1 with an unusually large smell, in all other ways it is just Skunk #1, the line really was as good as Cheese, other skunk females would have been just as potent and tasty, they just didn't have the huge stink. The smell probably comes from an expression of a terpene from the Afghan part of it's lineage, how recessive that trait is is unknown exactly, certainly it's elusive when you try to breed for it.

There were 4 sk#1 to start with they went to various places one to Crewe etc, and for approx 7 years they were v sim plants, then one changed and developed the stink etc, now to me this plant has clearly changed, it didn't have the stink to start with therefore the plant has changed has it not ???? is this not a plant that has mutated..... the name cheese was originally blue cheese as it stunk like a food esence of blue cheese... I think he had a mate who worked in a food factory......

 

[animal#1]

crossing the cheese with mr nice shit is just line breeding skunk#1 further

 

[englishrick]

Chill Rick....youre posting so many breeding related threads with speculations upon speculations and ideas. Quoting this one and that one about cali strains and almost every other strain. Im sure you have grown alotta gear, but you even come off as an expert, using nothing but other peoples experiences and hearsay. Post some growthreads and some pics instead man...much more fun. I dont wanna seem like a dick, but ive been wondering about this for some time now...and what is the point of these threads? You say yourself that this project is not in your league....why make a thread about it then? Why do you speculate on the lineage of all these strains, which you havent even smoked alot of(Cali lines etc) and are probably not gonna breed with either? Again i dont mean to be rude, but it just seems to me like you are reading some threads, and bringing info from those into your own threads and use it to seem very knowledgeable, even tho losing half of the info on the way.

Stay Safe

i will chill in future..your right man....but i have done a few grow threads...all Cheese...type in "english mates" in the search...ive still got 1 i need to upload pictures too...my dislexia make me sound like ive not understood half the stuff i have read.....i gotta read it all again...thanks for the constructive critizizm

it was still interesting to hear what everyone has to say....and to do that i had to open this thread

 

[secreto]

..... english ....
get all the sk seeds and clones that you can get .. grow em out , select the ones you like .... try to ''mix them'' if you'd like (jijiji) ... when you got what you want , dont let it go .. and make some seeds from it , maybe bx or S1 ??


pd...
stop posting all the bs you can find..jijiji

Peace.

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

There were 4 sk#1 to start with they went to various places one to Crewe etc, and for approx 7 years they were v sim plants, then one changed and developed the stink etc, now to me this plant has clearly changed, it didn't have the stink to start with therefore the plant has changed has it not ???? is this not a plant that has mutated..... the name cheese was originally blue cheese as it stunk like a food esence of blue cheese... I think he had a mate who worked in a food factory......

I posted this [IMO, very believable] story elsewhere on IC a few weeks ago, i rings very true and has not been challenged on the UK site it was posted on... so I think it is true and worth posting due to the 1001 variations on the "Cheese story"

..in about 1988 my mate mark germed a load of seeds from sensi seed bank in his border amongst them were skunk no1, n. lights ,hash plant ...and took cuttings of the girls to grow indoors ...only one cut was taken from amongst the female sk no1 since we all didnt really realise that genetically they were all 'sisters ' and as such could have different charachteristics ...cheese is this one skunk no1 cutting.

she survived around this area amongst a group of us being prized as a cracking smoke but with associated problems caused by the very strong smell in flower ...a mate christened her 'cheese' since she had such an all pervading stink that she would have to be left outside with the camambert and old trainers if she wasnt going to polute the whole house..the guy who christened her always cooks up bizzare names especially for things to do with the drug world so he can chat in ploite company or in front of the kids without worrying.

maybe the cheese would have remained a local phenomenon if i hadnt been persuaded by my missus to go to an illegal rave put on by lutons exodus collective back in 95...she hated it ,i loved it and soon realised that these folk were on a mission ...sort of changed my life really ,ordinary people doing quite extraordinary things ..one of which was just starting to grow weed at their housing co op Haz manor.
because of the high profile stand against prohibition and their stand against hard drugs the police left the manor alone (even when documentaries appeared on tv blatantly stating their anti dealing/ pro diy cannabis stance)and soon the one cutting i took to the manor became many cuttings given out free to anyone who came in search of growing knowlege and genetics ...​

Basically, it_did_not_mutate ... it is just an exceptional Skunk 1 [also confirmed by SamtheSkunkman] and we are very lucky the 1 cutting they did keep was the exceptional plant.