Unofficial Coco Coir Growers Thread

[Guest]

I thought I was going out from the coco "scene" but after my last harvest and some very good feedback about the taste I'm staying on that. Just planted a "G13" to Aquafarm with coco and clay pebbles+ mycorrhiza. Taste compared to just clay pebbles was so easily noticed by everyone I smoked with.

The best comment about coco stuff was from Farmer John "God damn, if Chronic tastes this good there must be something good in coco!"

 

[EddieShoestring]

So how often would prevailing wisdom see watering in this 50/50% mix

i think there have been no replies because it is a difficult/impossible question to answer-for example i know growers who hand water pure pearlite once a day-and others who drip thro pure coco almost continuously-and it works for them, although i'd guess that the prevailing wisdom would be that it should be the other way round-

if i were you i'd read Gauis' dripper/slab sticky and make an informed guess

cheers
eddie

 

[terran2]

thanks eddie ....

was transplanting r/w plugs that were torn from 4 x 4's , six rooted clones in each that comes from a nursery we know & love =SR71 "SkunkWerks" . All my experience is with r/w which have dialed in pretty well. Alot depends on the srain & how vigorous the plant is but looks like i might have just overwatered them too much to start out with . Sometimes when in a hurry you just fall off the cabbage wagon and forget to do right things at certain stages . Since these plugs were from 4x4's maybe should have left 1/4 of it above the soil line to encourage a little more drying action as i see now that even with the perlite the medium was moist enough for roots to flourish .

And once again found out that first rule of rooting babies is go easy in the beginning with everything imcluding watering ...let them get established by watering in once then waiting kepping lights higher . Migh try vegging more slowly under flourescence right now using 600watt eye/hortilux which might not be so good .... but can see now i overwatered and lost a few.

* Funny thing when u switch mediums you have to go thru the learning curve but earlier this summer i transplanted 3 beautiful 2ft tall mothers into 5gal Coco that were well rooted in 2gals ...then 3 or 4 days later 2 of them went from pristine shape & lush , to just keeling over and dying. All i could figure was that in the 5gals staright Coco still has tendency for alot of immediate wicking action from anything above 6-8" just like r/w though i thought watering once a day would keep enough moisture in . I transplanted the surving mother back into soil and she just made it thru , so i concluded the problem was with this wicking action plus the outdoor conditions combined to kill them by not retaining enough water .

It was a strange first experience to say the least and colored my perception on how to use Coco leading me now to overwater this latest group indoors. But all is well , going back to tried & true r/w until i get more Coco experiements under my belt , though plan to use it for my mothers this round so sure hope i get it down finally . Funny how what should be easy , soemtime isn't ...i have no problems growing a 7ft healthy plant in a 6x6" hugo !!

( did notice some curling and wonder if my rinse was not good enough as someone mentioned high K content may do this , but really think i made one of the oldest blunders in the book and overwatered , while the r/w plugs stayed too saturated leading too dampening off )

tx much

regards

t2

i think there have been no replies because it is a difficult/impossible question to answer-for example i know growers who hand water pure pearlite once a day-and others who drip thro pure coco almost continuously-and it works for them, although i'd guess that the prevailing wisdom would be that it should be the other way round-

if i were you i'd read Gauis' dripper/slab sticky and make an informed guess

cheers
eddie

 

[terran2]

if i were you i'd read Gauis' dripper/slab sticky and make an informed guess

cheers
eddie

PS/OT : sure like to know what strain that WW was that Gaius was growing out in that legendary grow that popcorned so well for him on that low nute schedule on coco slabs ...wow those were some impressive baseball bat colas .

Recently grew out Mr Nice's BW and was really disappointed with these after two rounds , though they looked promising all the way to the chop but really disappointed at the end .Real shaggy dogs, smelled nice and lemony & looked promising but mostly scant running buds very green tasting needing lots of cure in the end...and for all that left with a bitch of a trim job ahead ... <g

 

[ShroomDr]

Alright, this is the second time ive read all the way though this thread.
Ive had the browser open for at least 3 days

A couple things i would like to comment on.

First off, i was hand watering coco, for about 4-5 months. I finally got around to setting up auto-feeding, about a week ago, and my plants have never looked better. Frankly, im kicking myself for not doing it sooner. Three days after the system was set up, there was a spring of new growth, like ive only seen in DWC (I'll admit, I was far from the best hand waterer). Setting up auto watering has made everything easier on me, and it was so simple. I gave up on drip emitters, and just used open 1/4" flex tubing. I made a simple manifold of a 1/2"T and (4) 1/2" elbows. connect the pieces with tubing. the piece of tubing opposite the T is where i punched holes for the 1/4" T's. 4 of these 1/4" T's = 8 drip lines.


Right now Im drip feeding 8 plants, on a 3'x3' table,(600w digi) with a recirculating 264gph pump.
RO water (res is 7-8Gal)
10ml/Gal PBPHydroBloom
5ml/Gal Cal-Mag+
5ml/Gal Liquid Karma
10ml/Gal Hydroguard
3-5ml/Gal Silica Blast (too adjust pH up, and the silica obviously)
8ml/Gal Hygrozyme (in bubbling reservoir, any more will cause foam)


I would also like to comment on something i read about 200 posts back.

someone mentioned Hygrozyme has H2O2. I dont think it does. I have a brochure of the product, and it says "unlimited shelf life" It wouldn't make any sense for a company to put H2O2, in a white bottle, as an addition to an already "unlimited shelf life" product.

IMHO, Hygrozyme, is some type of fermented beer/barley/hops product. It smells like a sweet, but spoiled beer. I think i have read on other sites that it was developed as a cleaning agent for janitorial applications (including blood stains).

I have not seen any advertisement of it containing H2O2, or any other mention. A lot of people, who are big in the coco forum, took it the post as 'fact', and i really doubt its validity.

 

[EddieShoestring]

someone mentioned Hygrozyme has H2O2. I dont think it does

it doesn't-i wrote to the manufacturers to check it.

eddie

 

[Dalton]

Yo wassup guys,
Iv'e got a couple of questions maybe someone knows about.
I'm using r/o water lately..only because the water in my new room is unusable.
I switched over to House and Garden Coco A/B because it says on the feed chart chart
to use with r/o water. Well I mixed the first rez of it last night and the ph dropped to
3.3 after mixing the lowest dose...wtf? It took alot of ph up to settle it. I'm wondering if this is normal and if this needs to supplemented w/ calmag. I'm not using the full lineup so far just the a/b and I'll probably add one of the boosters later. If anyone knows about this stuff please let me know thanks

 

[Greyskull]

Great thread. Great read...

YOur locking up you mag and potassium.... here is a link to canna with some pictures and explantions... I have found it the best resource for coco growing..

I had this prob too going from canna a&b to monkey juice.... I feel for ya...
http://www.canna.nl/english/index1.html
click here haved FLASH installed... click on growinfo on the left hand side, then click on info courier... and go through the deficiencies...
peace


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Dude that is the best link in the world! Mahalo!

 

[drymouth]

Is it necessary to use some sort of Cal-Mag product with coco and Ro water? Because I'm using An's 3 part with Ro water. They look good now... But, I don't want to wait till the last min. and think, "darn... I should of used it!" I got my Hindus at 870ppm and looking good. But, I grew this strain out before at higher ppm levels at the stage it's in now, does coco have to water with a weaker strength of nutes becuzz coco builds salts quicker then, for example: Rockwell or grow rocks Etc...? Or am I totally wrong?

 

[-VT-]

IMHO, Hygrozyme, is some type of fermented beer/barley/hops product. .

That's because the main ingredient is a derivative of barley...

I have not seen any advertisement of it containing H2O2, or any other mention. A lot of people, who are big in the coco forum, took it the post as 'fact', and i really doubt its validity.

And I have not seen this post...but, I'll opine anyways...
Hygrozyme can be used in conjunction with H202 (at low levels)...reason is, purportedly, that there is no bacteria in hygrozyme Well, that's if you believe the folks that make the shit

@ drymouth: Hey, if the plants look good without, I wouldn't worry, unless you run into problems....

 

[Hella Fella]

Why dont we go ahead and MAKE this thread official?

 

[Guest]

Why dont we go ahead and MAKE this thread official?

maybe people will actually read it then

 

[chronicdoc316]

to anyone that can help I am in the third week of flower I have a bucket setup 4 ft plants and a recirc res system in coco over the past week every feeding (4 hrs) my system ph level drops dramatically from 5.8 to 4.5 or so and I have to readjust it back to 5.8 can anyone tell me why this is happening I am running foxfarm nutes and a drip setup.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

dropping PH is natural..

u are doing rigth in adjusting it.. but it shouldnt drop down to 4.5 - thats really low.. there is an easy way to automate the PH-adjustment of the rez..

*take one empty plastic soda bottle.. wash it

*make a small hole in the bottle - enough for a little bit water to drip out thru..

*fill bottle with a mix of a ph solution ( if u get very low ph quickly - fill the bottle with ph adjusted water - you can make it a bit more concentrated than usual - for excample ph 6.5 )..and let drip slowly into ur rez..

this way the ph dropping should get ballanced out with the liquid dripping from the bottle..

u gotto to experiement a bit with the ph of the solution in the bottle and hole size - to get this thing working 100%.. but i think atleast u could get to adjust ph only once a day if u get ur bottle setup to work..

do only use water and ph-adjustment products in the bottle - to avoid to get nutricion problems.

ah - tie or duct-tape the bottle to something so its firmly held in place - so u dont get any accidents with the bottle falling etc hehe

peace and out

 

[chronicdoc316]

thanks Ill give that a try

 

[burn586]

Hey folks, I have a quick question. Rez talked about using straight coco, no ammendments with a modified lucas formula. I've seen a lot of people talking about only using coco nutes in any coco medium, and was wondering what everyones take on rez's method is? I have the nutes to do his way but wanted to see what everyone thought before giving it a try.

 

[TheBEAK]

Hey folks, I have a quick question. Rez talked about using straight coco, no ammendments with a modified lucas formula. I've seen a lot of people talking about only using coco nutes in any coco medium, and was wondering what everyones take on rez's method is? I have the nutes to do his way but wanted to see what everyone thought before giving it a try.

Check out H3AD's coco grow
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=55683

He uses only GH Micro & GH Bloom and has great success.

 

[FOE20v2]

yo Coco-heads...Nice thread and I must compliment Bonecarver and the rest on some great info..I been growin for quite a while and went hydro about 5+yrs ago and even tho this nick is new Im a old member and know growing well enough to back up what I'll talk on here..
Late last year I started messin with coco trying Botanicares 15lb bails..Coco is interesting but not exactly consistent unless you get the hydrated pre-treated stuff like Bcuzz or Canna...
Im using strait Coco atm and both Botanic and Bcuzz types and will be adding some per-lite to some but the Idea is to feel out coco well enough not to have to worry about run off or which I prefer even tho flushing between feeding is highly recommended in coco..I dont go thru all the hassle that some have spoke on..Just a simple warm water rehydration with PH'd 5.5 does well enough..
To keep things in check I run very low Nute level to compensate for consistent feeding schedules..I really enjoy PBPro nutes but not the full line as its a bit to heavy in K for my needs..I do use a few supplements and boosters and one thing I dont see mentioned allot is Silicon..Silicants are usually avail naturally in the soil but in hydro/coco we need to supplement a bit on that..By just adding micro amounts every 2-3wks is plenty...
Any questions just ask and I plan to go over my whole PBPro routine if anyone is interested as I'll be in coco for a while now...Heres a few pics of a lil of what Ive got for results in coco in my last 3 runs..

--- All ph to 5.5-5.8 max ---
Sprouts/Rooted Cuts - 80-150ppm
Young/Mid sized veg - 150-250ppm(lower levels-Sats/BB types|higher-Indos)
Moms - 250-350ppm on avr 1-3'ft mother
Bloom - 200-400ppm pending strain
Final Feeding - 150-200ppm (Booster/Finishing agents-BudBlaster/molass+BanManna-or-Sweet)
FOE20

 

[krushonkush]

Very nice work.....

 

[bonecarver_OG]

well done all