History of the Northern Lights

[Pakalolovoodoo]

In every grow i have ever done I have grown northern lights I am by no means any expert but i tend to get it two ways short and symetric like a christmas tree or short and like wild man from borneo springing forth in every imaginable direction. My current grow is nl and white widow with some free criticly smashed. unfortunately in this grow out of five seeds of nl four were boys so I only have one female nl and she is a asymetric bush gone bannana's. low odor seems to be consistent with this strain.

 

[thinman]

the NL clone i was gifted years ago had very little smell while growing, but stunk real bad when you took the scissors to her. the smell could not be contained even in baggies after drying. if you had some in your car, everyone knew it.

i have grown out many of the NL strains available today searching for this plant with no success. the clone i had was very, very potent and had a fantastic flavor, like a piney/hashy incense. every NL i have tried since has had little flavor (some had none, like smoking dried lawn clippings). they have all been potent enough, and easy growers, good yields...etc.

i have not tried dr. atomic's version, but a close friend did and told me "not to bother with it". i have not tried reeferman's nl nor dp's oasis yet. so there is still hope.

to be blunt, sensi seeds nl at $135 is no better than any other commercially available nl...imho. way overpriced for a plant with no flavor or character other than yield and potency.

another point here that might help. my gifted clone nl never grew more than 24" or so above the soil line indoors...max. yet it would go crazy outside and yield like mad without losing any quality.

the thing that haunts me is the friend who gifted me that cut of nl, when i asked him what it was, sort of thought for a second and then said "northern lights" as if he had just made it up from thin air, like he didn't want to say what it really was. so i'm not positive to this day that it really was nl.

 

[barletta]

First KB's I smoked had to have been NL. A buddy got a hollowed out cig-joint from this girl in HS (early 90's). I took 1 HIT. Eyes BLEEDING, ear to ear smile, sleep in 15 minutes. Got it 1 more time from the same chick, but nothing since that was like smoking pine needles wrapped in tylenol PM's. LOL. I've got some pine bud x g13bx f2's to run thru, looking for the pine...

 

[Gert Lush]

its funny everyone thinks nl5 x haze smells of baby sick. ..

Do they?
Not the one I grew (sensi) -- it was 100% piney-hazey exactly the classic smell you'd expect. Very nice, though I didn't keep it. (I kept one of its daughters though... wonderfully fruity haze, with a chemical/fuel hint. Not a trace of baby sick)

The only plant I've ever experienced with a true "baby-sick" / "english sausage and onions" (no difference btw ) was SpiceBros A11(g)xLieuHanh. I think it might be due to the Viet influence, not sure, though.

But I digress.
What I do see, from all the different descriptions (especially the smells: baby-sick, cat-piss, fruity, light, strong, etc., etc.) I can only assume that some very DIFFERENT weed is all being lumped together as "Northern Lights".

Does anyone know, do all these wildly different-smelling phenos have some kind of similarity to the high that is unmistakably Northern Lights?

 

[BENJI]

In every grow i have ever done I have grown northern lights I am by no means any expert but i tend to get it two ways short and symetric like a christmas tree or short and like wild man from borneo springing forth in every imaginable direction. My current grow is nl and white widow with some free criticly smashed. unfortunately in this grow out of five seeds of nl four were boys so I only have one female nl and she is a asymetric bush gone bannana's. low odor seems to be consistent with this strain.

how many different phenos have u seen in northern lights??

 

[Hazeseeker]

Do they?
Not the one I grew (sensi) -- it was 100% piney-hazey exactly the classic smell you'd expect. Very nice, though I didn't keep it. (I kept one of its daughters though... wonderfully fruity haze, with a chemical/fuel hint. Not a trace of baby sick)

The only plant I've ever experienced with a true "baby-sick" / "english sausage and onions" (no difference btw ) was SpiceBros A11(g)xLieuHanh. I think it might be due to the Viet influence, not sure, though.

But I digress.
What I do see, from all the different descriptions (especially the smells: baby-sick, cat-piss, fruity, light, strong, etc., etc.) I can only assume that some very DIFFERENT weed is all being lumped together as "Northern Lights".

Does anyone know, do all these wildly different-smelling phenos have some kind of similarity to the high that is unmistakably Northern Lights?

Hi Gert,
the difference in the high between the 2 phenos of Sensi's NL#5xHaze i stumbled across were quite different, the 1st 1 smelled like Pine in late Veg up until trichs started appearing then it was Lime Haze through and through, tasted very strongly of Pine Haze with that Lime subtly in the Background, the High was really soaring from it, i refused to smoke that pheno if i was gonna be going to sleep in the next 5 hours as it just kept you awake, smoked it once and around 12:00am and was still awake hearing the birds tweeting around 5:00am

The other when growing was more Indica in appearance, terminal bud was the exact same as Sensi show on their Website for the strain, stacked Calyxs shooting 45 degree angles all the way up and around the cola that went into 2 or 3 points at the top, smelled fowl when growing in flower, had a disgusting sour public toilet type aroma, really was bad man, stayed incredibly short as well for NL#5xHaze - approx 4 and a half feet after 4 weeks Veg if i remember rightly, in the jars it definately smelled like Baby Sick, and you could pick up a slight berry aroma in the background, the taste was pleasant - Musk Berry taste, the High wasn't as electric as the previous pheno, really smooth happy high, really good pheno, wish i kept cuttings from it

 

[Gert Lush]

the 1st 1 smelled like Pine in late Veg up until trichs started appearing then it was Lime Haze through and through, tasted very strongly of Pine Haze with that Lime subtly in the Background, the High was really soaring from it, i refused to smoke that pheno if i was gonna be going to sleep in the next 5 hours as it just kept you awake,

Yup that's the one I had, I remember that slight limeyness, too... happy days.
Still, I'm not unhappy with its daughter, it's even more potent and even more citrussy!

Haven't had the other pheno (I don't think) though I've come across sativa-ish plants that had the acrid smell you describe («had a disgusting sour public toilet type aroma, really was bad man») maybe that's what it was, though I suspected Widow in the mix rather than NL. Lovely smoke, though, moreish sweet taste and very cuddly/sexy.


PS. Whaddya want to go to sleep for if you can be up for 5 hrs with the NL5xHaze instead?!?!

 

[Hazeseeker]

PS. Whaddya want to go to sleep for if you can be up for 5 hrs with the NL5xHaze instead?!?!

Ya man , stuff was like Adrenaline for the brain, feels like you've got Jetlag the next day cause your Timezone is all upside down due to the lack of sleep, it was great tho as i hadn't smoked NL#5xHaze for a few years, was great to smoke it again, i'll keep an eye out for that other pheno if i stumble across it again this run

 

[Verdi99]

In 1989 a friend of mine gave me 2 seeds of nl.I had never seen it before so I had nothing to compare it too.I grew this strain outdoors and it performed very well.I seeded those 2 seeds out and grew it for many years.My plants were about 6-7 ft. tall, a light lime green and not a real heavy bearing plant.It would produce good bud with only a couple of hours of direct sunlight a day.This shit was so potent it would make you sick! It had a real creeper stone, when you felt it coming put the joint immediatly.If you smoked the whole joint you would be super stoned for hours. This stuff had a real long lasting buzz.Any body elses nl perform this way?Oh yeah, it had a very consistant harvest date........sept. 10th.I have looked for this stock again,but all I can find is nl#5. Does any body know who has the origanal??I sure would like to have it again....I have never seen any thing better and I have been going thru nl and nl hybrids at the rate 8-10 a year.Does any body know?.........Verdi99

 

[ninjashoes]

In 1989 a friend of mine gave me 2 seeds of nl.I had never seen it before so I had nothing to compare it too.I grew this strain outdoors and it performed very well.I seeded those 2 seeds out and grew it for many years.My plants were about 6-7 ft. tall, a light lime green and not a real heavy bearing plant.It would produce good bud with only a couple of hours of direct sunlight a day.This shit was so potent it would make you sick! It had a real creeper stone, when you felt it coming put the joint immediatly.If you smoked the whole joint you would be super stoned for hours. This stuff had a real long lasting buzz.Any body elses nl perform this way?Oh yeah, it had a very consistant harvest date........sept. 10th.I have looked for this stock again,but all I can find is nl#5. Does any body know who has the origanal??I sure would like to have it again....I have never seen any thing better and I have been going thru nl and nl hybrids at the rate 8-10 a year.Does any body know?.........Verdi99

I only smoked northenr lights once years and years ago and they way you describe it is exactly right. I remember it was one of the strongest strains I have ever tried.

 

[Pseudo]

i grew dr atomics and its very distinct because of the crazy pistils, mine had sativa like leaves and the most "hairs" ive seen on a plant, yield was good, high ok, taste, kinda bland, nothing like the NL i used to have, it was the best female out of the pack, i got one wicked triploid and was very psyched, but it was a male, im searching for the killer NL also with mixed results, gonna try joey weeds next

 

[COUNT-DE-MONET]

I have heard good things about Joeys weeds and Reefermans NL strains.

 

[BENJI]

I am and have been searching for about 8 years for the crazy put u to sleep, piney ,hashy, pungent, overpowering taste and smell northernlights. i mean when u open a bag or tin it will instantly stink any car or room out. Everybody i know that smokes weed or grows it can instantly recognize the smell of northern lights. I would have to say out of all the weed ive tried and ive been smoking for 16 years northern lights is the easiest to recognize by smell all of my friends agree. Ive got sensi's NL'S and nirvanas NL'S i am going to order dp's oasis and dr atomics NL'S only thing is i dont know were to get joey weeds or reefermans beans from?? I have to find this one pheno and i aint gonna stop till i do...


PS. I havent flowered my sensi's or nirvanas NL'S yet so i dont know what to expect...how many different phenos have people here seen with northern lights?

 

[englishrick]

is sensi`s present nl5 x haze stock any good?

what do you guys think of jack flash?

 

[BENJI]

could i be mistaking northern lights for white widow are these 2 strains similar in taste and smell cause ive read reviews that these 2 strains are piney tasting?
hey rick i love jack flash i got a real skunky pheno clone that ive had 4 years great yielder and even greater smoke a pungent, fruity, skunky, smoke can definatly taste the skunkier side of this jack herer descendent..

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

There's about as many White Widows out there as pubic lice in Paris Hilton's bush, but of the ones I've grown and smoked, none came off as particularly piney.

I would not call WW and NL similar in either taste nor high, and their genetic background is much different, it seems.

 

[BENJI]

There's about as many White Widows out there as pubic lice in Paris Hilton's bush, but of the ones I've grown and smoked, none came off as particularly piney.

I would not call WW and NL similar in either taste nor high, and their genetic background is much different, it seems.

thanks rosey cheeks just wanted to clear that up i was thinking about getting DP's oasis and their white widow seeing as i cant get my hands on the black widow yet..
how would you describe the white widow taste and smell and what ones have u grown and smoked?
here is some reviews of dutch passions white widow that ive read..
http://www.druglibrary.org/Strainguide/Dutch_Passion/White_Widow/index.html

 

[jimbroker]

Benji: Joey Weed is at hempdepot.ca. They are respectable and highly rated on seedbankupdate.com (higher than even seedboutique). I have ordered from them three times and never (knocks on wood) had anything confiscated in the post. Which is less than I can say for orders coming from seedbay....

 

[BENJI]

anyone here smoked or grown dutch passions oasis?

 

[FOE20]

I cracked the Code...as far as Im concerned

I cracked the Code...as far as Im concerned

I'll agree with Rosey...there not the same at all...
Benji..read below as it may help in your decision..I havn't tried Oasis yet myself but thats cause I just havn't run it yet..

and for NL's I feel Ive cracked the Code...and my friends heres why..
I've also posted this fo Sam in the Hindu Kush Origin thread to confirm a few details...Lets see who can prove me wrong on this one...
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After 4+ years Ive finally brought myself to the conclusions your about to read...I left the commentary in there to give you the whole picture as I'll stand by this and cant wait for dispute from Nevil, Shanti, Sam, MrSoul to name just a few...So kick back and enjoy the ride as it was a great one but unless I missed something this code is a s good as Broke...

The Beginning of it All..Afghani, HinduKush, HashPlant and the Infamous Northern Lights - NL#5
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the Latest Developments................

not a prob Deeker..Im learning just as much as any really...and thats the best part is learning..and actually it looks like the #2 as the #1 was said to be a Single Cola Plant..#2 was said to be Pine Tree Shaped which is what you show..

Northern Lights 1 was a single stalked, compact plant with a moderate Afghani smell. No one offers this classic version at this time. A strong plant and buzz.
Northern Lights 2 was a sturdy, pine tree shaped with a musty and piney odor. Dutch Passion (Oasis) and THSeeds (Closet Queen) currently offer versions.

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and on that note....Its time for me to say a few things Ive held back on and this forum is prob the Best out there so heres the place I wana lay it down...
From Sensi Seeds Hash Plant descript..

This precious Afghani is descended from one of the finest hash-making cultivars ever brought from the Hindu Kush to the west. Cannabis strains known generally as hash plants are found throughout the countries that border these mountains, but very few have the pedigree of this Hash Plant - a living definition of the stocky, chunky, beautifully sticky Afghanica genotype. The direct ancestor of Hash Plant was developed in the Northwest USA and came to Holland as a few carefully-transported female cuttings.

this is for all but mainly brutha Loran...who opened my eyes and this break down my just be asumtion but from all the Afghans, HPLants and the pure HinduKush I know for a Fact Ive seen and experienced Personally this is hard to refute..

OK, I've kept quiet but here's how I remember the NL series:
NL#1 = Afghan ibl
NL#2 = Hindu Kush x Thai (hmm..kush..)
NL#5 = NL#1 x HP
NL#9 = NL#1 x (White Widow x Durban)
Peace, Loran

Well folks I had a epiphany last night...after lookin at this fukin strain for all this time it came to me..and the few quotes is in a way opening a huge door in my thought process..Notice these lines...
"brought from the Hindu Kush to the west["...were talkin the Mazar range I'll bet my happy ass on it now..but you see that special word??..""Pedigree""
If it was a Ped it was Inbred or Out crossed prior..
now lets move forward..
""pedigree of this Hash Plant"" ..HashPlants..hmm Afhgani Black ..hmmm....""stocky, chunky, beautifully sticky Afghanica "Genotype".""...Genotype not Phenotype..
""The direct ancestor of Hash Plant was developed in the Northwest USA and came to Holland as a few carefully-transported Female cuttings""
This to me was the Trade mark HashPlant not NL..and in turn Im saying that the Original HashPlant is a descendant of the Orig NL lines...Thats right..Read it and weep..not only that..I also feel at this point our most Prized and Treasured Lines came from this with wonders such as these
Afghani #1 (pure IBL)
Hindu Kush - the Original "Mazar I sharif"
HashPlant - was the First ever Hybrid created from the Afgan x HKush(aka Outcross of Afghan to initialize IBL and also created this base Perfect Hi-Breed..)
but all from a handful of Original Land Race from the Afghan /Hindu Region....So Im sayin that all these were the Orig Parent Lines..
Bare in mind that Reeferman took a trip to the Mazar range and had seed stock of his own during this time also..Or is that the prob that arose later when ppl called Reef out on the Origins?....This is a perplexing part of the story..But it goes on...

Landrace Hindu / Afghani (Both Lowland and Highland..Highland was lets assume Reefermans trip to the Kush range..so take all that in and now lets look at the whole picture..)
What is a IBL?...what was Used in the NL lines?...."Aghan" was Pure and Needed to be Inbred to Create Afghani #1 IBL pure...but it still needed the Putcross..This is where the Hindu came in..I feel the Hindu was the Male in the F.1' gen of the orig NL line..This created HPlant....From there these Incredible Mothers were divided up at some point but we still would have from this work....
Afghan pure somewhere and a IBL < this was the Power
HinduKush pure from Seed < this was the Flavor
HashPlant (trademarked) orig Hybrid of these 2 parents
So in all actuality Im suggesting that a simple Hybrid was made..From the F.1's it created we have a list of others as the Cuts or Moms were then moved and out crossed even more..But also Inbred to the Afghan again to Create...
the IBL Afghani #1..
next came...
Hash Plant (trademark)

and the rest..Im still workin out...but Thai hasn't fit yet and I'll still bet it was never part of the Original Parent Line..It may have been inbred later and yes I could easily see a Afghan x Thai at some point..But actually I feel the hybrid for that is (Afghan/HKush)Afghan F1. or the HashPlant x Thai..
Thats bout it for me on this so far and where I rest my case atm..I hope it opens the thought of others as it keeps me awake on many occasions..heheh..Stay Sane but Grow Mad!..
FOE20

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yo masta Loran...man I'll tell what else showed me the light after you had listed your thoughts on the NL line..Instead of going to NL to define this lets look at the parents one more time thru the eyes of the Seed Co's..and what I found was damn near exactly what I felt..
in most Guides Afghan is listed as..and the way form/color is described is right on point..
Afghani #1 - "Big , Dark Indica Leaves..sturdy Stem, High Yield...
Won 94 Harvest Cup..
Theres no Parent to Afghan #1 or what Im saying is the IBL that most of us know..
Now heres where I found something....
Sensi's Hindu Kush - Pure Kush originally from Afghan/Pakistan "mountain" region..

This leads me to believe that both the orig Afghan Pakistan valley one (what I call a lowland dry chalky Afghan) was bred to seed of its cousin HinduKush as said "found in the Mountains thus Highland variety..I'll even guess
Afghan x Hindu Kush - this crated the base HashPlant line and others including NL..

Now what did the Seed Co say about HashPlant?...and here it comes spelled out for all of us..
Sensi's HashPlant - "Indica" cross of 25% NL#1 x 75% ...yup you know it..Hash Plant!!!!!!................Meaning the Hash Plant Was established only After the original Hybrid was created..whats NL#1 again?..Afghani IBL baby..
At this point I'll almost bet..
The Afghan was Inbred using the F.1 seed from Afghan x Hindu Kush..
Then to create HPlant it was Bx to the HPlant dom side when the Male was selected..The Afghan was continually bred into to stabilize the Afghan side...
Now I can see how they might of later used a Thai to make the gene pool more diverse when they were isolating the Afghan or Hash Plant phenos..Thai came in later or some think Haze and I'll agree Thai but when and how is a bitch..Other than that its all just 2 orig Landrace varieties bred and then phenos chosen and isolated..then inbred, outcrosses and hybridized...now thats that and almost every aspect I got...amen..
you know the Thai end ..that could be the NL#9 tho..
you'll also notice HPlant Hybrids from Sensi that have it as the Father...ala G13 x HPlant..(yea from??....Nevil/Shanti MNS G13 x HPlant..)...also the classic Re-worked BigBud or Critical Mass (....MNS descript of CMass - heavy Afghani x Skunk#1)..
Anyway you can basically back track the breeding from these 2 orig Land race breeds..

I also think the no# 135-A has meaning..as in the NL#5 could have been a isolated selection of the first round of hybrid work thus making it #135 in Series A..The Original Hybrid..

What also makes me very happy is back in the early 90's I received 5 cuts of a Mazar-i-Sharif Hindu Kush for a whopping $5 each...I do feel in my heart the cuts I had were from this orig Landrace Hindu kush and were as said and are...the Strongest Genetics ever used in the world of Cannabis at the time..
FOE20